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Cerise 05-03-2011 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 3522327)
That is such a sad story and one more reason for smokers to stop. Poor little cat has to be so sick through no fault of its own. Think of all the suffering of people and creatures that has come from the use of tobacco.

Ditto! :thumbup:

bWY39 05-03-2011 09:02 AM
The way I look at it is that we all have opinions but we can not all be right all the time.

Each person is an individual and as such deserves respect until proven otherwise.

This thread is about our pets not about us and I believe our pets deserve respect ALL THE TIME.

It does not cost me a single penny (or cent ) to be respectful in fact to be less than respectful makes me think first and at my age thinking hurts.

If we respect our pet (friends, animal, child or any other name) then we are not doing too bad at all.

Teegy 05-03-2011 09:23 AM
I smoked for 26 years and quit 4 years ago. When I had my first dog I was a teenager so I wasn't allowed to smoke in the house.
I now don't allow smoking in my place and it's my personal choice not to have my Teegy in a smoking environment.
SWHouston doesn't see it as a problem in her animals. I know people who don't smoke who's pets have emphysema.
I know many humans exposed to second hand smoke who don't have emphysema.

I think some are pre-disposed to stuff.

SWHouston 05-03-2011 09:38 AM
Teegy,

That "pre-disposition" is what I was referring to, and
I admit that my comparisons of water, food and clothes
were somewhat arbitrary. There's lots of examples
better than those. Again, my point being that just because
Smoking is an elective issue, it was singled out (for the most part)
when SO many other things need be equally addressed.

PS:
SWHouston be a he, not a she. :D

bWY39 05-03-2011 09:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWHouston (Post 3522468)
Teegy,

That "pre-disposition" is what I was referring to, and
I admit that my comparisons of water, food and clothes
were somewhat arbitrary. There's lots of examples
better than those. Again, my point being that just because
Smoking is an elective issue, it was singled out (for the most part)
when SO many other things need be equally addressed.

PS:
SWHouston be a he, not a she. :D
I am so sorry if you thought I was singling out smoking as an issue, this was not my intention at all.

The only reason I posted was that I had a friend who had the poor cat and gave the animal all she could to save her.

It was the Vet who said it was caused by the previous owner smoking so I thought it was a professional opinion to be respected.

Apparently the vet told my friend that she would be amazed as to how many cases he sees in a year where the animal (cats dogs and birds) have a smoking related problem.

I would never single out smoking as a problem what I did to myself is my problem nobody else's and I will gladly pay the price in the next twelve months for doing it but the animals do not have that choice.

I just wanted to alert members that this COULD be a danger I did not wish to start any arguments and will not do so now.

I remain respectful to you and value your opinion.

SWHouston 05-03-2011 10:46 AM
Bryan,

I did not think that you were singling Smoking out at all. My comment
was toward the "general" consensus, that Smoking (or getting rid of it)
is the answer to all our respiratory problems. That is far from the case.

But, your confidence in the reliability of a "medical option', gives me pause.

It is difficult enough, to acquire Empirical Evidence, as relates to those
who can actually verbalize their condition. I just don't see how a Vet
could quote such a preponderance of opinion, when there are no Trials
or Papers to support that. The specific issue being, related respiratory
problems, of an animal, as related to repeated casual exposure of
Tobacco Smoke.

NOW, I do know of studies of Birds (mainly Canaries) which have been
utilized to do Trials on Gasses found in Mines. And, subsequently data
has been accrued on the sensitivity of some Fouls, being greater than
that of Humans. I do not know of any similar studies done on Dogs.

I would urge you to take comments like that "with a grain of salt",
specially if it may be coming from a devout Non-Smoker...:rolleyes:

bWY39 05-03-2011 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWHouston (Post 3522541)
Bryan,

I did not think that you were singling Smoking out at all. My comment
was toward the "general" consensus, that Smoking (or getting rid of it)
is the answer to all our respiratory problems. That is far from the case.

But, your confidence in the reliability of a "medical option', gives me pause.

It is difficult enough, to acquire Empirical Evidence, as relates to those
who can actually verbalize their condition. I just don't see how a Vet
could quote such a preponderance of opinion, when there are no Trials
or Papers to support that. The specific issue being, related respiratory
problems, of an animal, as related to repeated casual exposure of
Tobacco Smoke.

NOW, I do know of studies of Birds (mainly Canaries) which have been
utilized to do Trials on Gasses found in Mines. And, subsequently data
has been accrued on the sensitivity of some Fouls, being greater than
that of Humans. I do not know of any similar studies done on Dogs.

I would urge you to take comments like that "with a grain of salt",
specially if it may be coming from a devout Non-Smoker...:rolleyes:
I take your point but as a mere layman I have to accept the opinions of those with the qualifications to give them. I do understand they are not always correct I just hope my own doctor was wrong but thanks again you add to our debate.

Teegy 05-03-2011 11:32 AM
Bryan that would explain why in britain they used canaries in the mines

bWY39 05-03-2011 11:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 3522612)
Bryan that would explain why in britain they used canaries in the mines
Yes they did use them for many years in both the coal and the slate mines.
The canary would die quickly at the slightest amount of gas.
I can not say I agree with using a canary but at the time it was the only way they new of detecting it.

The good news was no canary was ever known to have died through passive smoking in a mine. !!! :rolleyes:

SWHouston 05-03-2011 08:03 PM
AHHH HA HA HA HA HA :thumbup: :thumbup:


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