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Haley5392 01-11-2011 10:20 PM
Growing Coat on a Door Knob
 
Okay I am planning to try that, I have already purchased the stuff for it, growing a coat on a door knob. Do you think it will be bad to mix those ingredients with Ark Naturals Coat? Should I do one at a time or what? I have not used either but have been reading on the forum here that people have a lot of luck with both. I have ordered both and just don't want to make my babies sick or harm them with TOO many supplements. Thanks so very much in advance for your help.

kjc 01-12-2011 03:14 AM
Could you enlighten me further as to what you are referring to? :confused:

jfalz73 01-12-2011 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3390668)
Could you enlighten me further as to what you are referring to? :confused:
i guess this is what she is referring to..Growing Hair on a doorknob

Haley5392 01-12-2011 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jfalz73 (Post 3390686)
i guess this is what she is referring to..Growing Hair on a doorknob
:thumbup: Yes, except I used this website; but I think they're the same just different sites. Lowchens of Australia ~ Growing hair on a doorknob!
Thanks!!!

Maximo 01-12-2011 05:35 AM
I would thoroughly research the ingredients in both products and I would discuss them with my vet. It is very easy to make your pet or yourself sick with supplements -- kidneys, liver, and heart are particularly at risk. Just because something is sold in stores or online, doesn't make it safe.

Haley5392 01-12-2011 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3390716)
I would thoroughly research the ingredients in both products and I would discuss them with my vet. It is very easy to make your pet or yourself sick with supplements -- kidneys, liver, and heart are particularly at risk. Just because something is sold in stores or online, doesn't make it safe.
Thanks. I have a vet appt today, separate reasons, but I definitely gonna ask her today what she thinks. The only reason I ask here is because this is where I found both products, through others who talked about it. So I wasn't sure if people who tried this, tried Ark Naturals together. But thank ya'll again!

Maximo 01-12-2011 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Haley5392 (Post 3390726)
Thanks. I have a vet appt today, separate reasons, but I definitely gonna ask her today what she thinks. The only reason I ask here is because this is where I found both products, through others who talked about it. So I wasn't sure if people who tried this, tried Ark Naturals together. But thank ya'll again!
I didn't look at the ingredients of the Ark Naturals product, but I am inclined to say choose one or the other if you decide to use one.

lil fu fu girl 01-12-2011 06:33 AM
Lixotinic is only a vitamin/ iron supplement from Pfizer Animal health. It is usually available and for veterinary use only.
Mirra Coat is basically a combo of glycerides, which are fatty acids combined with glycerol; MC also contains vitamin A, and of course E. As vitamin E is one of the fat-soluble vitamins which protects vitamin A(which is also in Mirra-Coat) as well as the fatty acids from oxidation in the bodies cells, and also prevents the breakdown of the bodies tissues.

These two above have beneficial elements that are great for our pups skin and coat. Complete Proteins, Omega 3s, Vitamin E, and other nutrients are essential to both skin cell maintenance and healthy coats.

However, the addition of just "Peanut Butter" scares me. Most peanut butter off the shelf is processed and has hydrogenated oils....NOT good. These are also known as Trans fats, and they do the same damage to our pups as they do to us. This is especially disconcerting because of the predisposition of our yorkies to liver and pancreatic dysfunctions and disease. Organic unprocessed peanut butter would be a lot better as it still would contain vitamin E, yet without the Trans fat issues.

Some people do have issues with honey. However raw honey has been used for many things including aiding with digestion and maintaining healthy skin, and arthritis; it is a source of simple carbohydrates.

Out of curiosity, what are you feeding your pups now?
Just a thought...... but you might want to discuss this regime with your vet to make sure that your pups do not have any outstanding issues such as pancreatitis or liver dysfunction.

Also.... you might want to think about just adding in omega 3's, such as salmon oil fortified with vitamin E, depending on their diet.

kjc 01-12-2011 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jfalz73 (Post 3390686)
i guess this is what she is referring to..Growing Hair on a doorknob
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haley5392 (Post 3390705)
:thumbup: Yes, except I used this website; but I think they're the same just different sites. Lowchens of Australia ~ Growing hair on a doorknob!
Thanks!!!

Thanks! I had no clue!

lil fu fu girl 01-12-2011 07:04 AM
Sorry.... forget to mention that doing both the GHDK and Ark together, as in doubling up on these supplements is Not a good idea. Toxicity within fat-soluble vitamins such as A and E is a real concern. Also fatty acids are just that; and over saturation can cause dysfunction or damage to many organs, as mentioned in my above post.

Alternating between the two may be a choice, however, as I stated before, making sure that there are no outstanding issues currently is a important.

lil fu fu girl 01-12-2011 07:06 AM
sorry...double post

silverjoy 01-12-2011 07:45 AM
lil fu fu girl..... your advise is ALWAYS spot on!!!:thumbup:

Haley5392 01-12-2011 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 3390742)
Lixotinic is only a vitamin/ iron supplement from Pfizer Animal health. It is usually available and for veterinary use only.
Mirra Coat is basically a combo of glycerides, which are fatty acids combined with glycerol; MC also contains vitamin A, and of course E. As vitamin E is one of the fat-soluble vitamins which protects vitamin A(which is also in Mirra-Coat) as well as the fatty acids from oxidation in the bodies cells, and also prevents the breakdown of the bodies tissues.

These two above have beneficial elements that are great for our pups skin and coat. Complete Proteins, Omega 3s, Vitamin E, and other nutrients are essential to both skin cell maintenance and healthy coats.

However, the addition of just "Peanut Butter" scares me. Most peanut butter off the shelf is processed and has hydrogenated oils....NOT good. These are also known as Trans fats, and they do the same damage to our pups as they do to us. This is especially disconcerting because of the predisposition of our yorkies to liver and pancreatic dysfunctions and disease. Organic unprocessed peanut butter would be a lot better as it still would contain vitamin E, yet without the Trans fat issues.

Some people do have issues with honey. However raw honey has been used for many things including aiding with digestion and maintaining healthy skin, and arthritis; it is a source of simple carbohydrates.

Out of curiosity, what are you feeding your pups now?
Just a thought...... but you might want to discuss this regime with your vet to make sure that your pups do not have any outstanding issues such as pancreatitis or liver dysfunction.

Also.... you might want to think about just adding in omega 3's, such as salmon oil fortified with vitamin E, depending on their diet.
Thank you very much and I did indeed go to the vet this morning and we discussed this and she said for me just to do the Ark naturals and that it was the best option because it seemed more natural and she also mentioned the Honey and peanut butter concerns. I am feeding TSC 4-health, I have had my yorkies on Innova, Wellness, Canidae, TOTW etc before because they were rate 6* and 5* on dog food analysis and dog food advisor but they didn't seem to care for any of it. They'd eat it cause that was their only option but wouldn't eat much. I finally tried something different and picked up 4-health at TSC and panicked about it; looked it up and it was a 4* out of 5* on dog food advisor. So I started to put them on that and they eat it great and act as if they never get fed. :yay_jump:

Mardelin 01-12-2011 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 3390773)
Sorry.... forget to mention that doing both the GHDK and Ark together, as in doubling up on these supplements is Not a good idea. Toxicity within fat-soluble vitamins such as A and E is a real concern. Also fatty acids are just that; and over saturation can cause dysfunction or damage to many organs, as mentioned in my above post.

Alternating between the two may be a choice, however, as I stated before, making sure that there are no outstanding issues currently is a important.
I agree with you 100%. I would not only consult with the vet, but with a canine nutritionist as all vets aren't versed in nutrition.

Let me add that said receipe has been around for awhile, used by many, does it work? Many who have tried it have not experienced the expected results.

Haley5392 01-12-2011 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3390880)
I agree with you 100%. I would not only consult with the vet, but with a canine nutritionist as all vets aren't versed in nutrition.

Let me add that said receipe has been around for awhile, used by many, does it work? Many who have tried it have not experienced the expected results.
Thank you for the info on the people not experiencing expected results. I think I'll just stick with the Ark Naturals and see how that works. If that doesn't show improvement then I'll try something else, my dogs coats aren't horrible and I feel Ark Naturals will do what is needed. Thanks again!!:)


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