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Ellie May 06-23-2010 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by GAOMariposa (Post 3173285)
I read this same article a few days ago. :) I don't think they have generic over here in Mexico. And I wouldn't really trust it too much here. In the States, I would, but not here. They have generics for the generics over here that a doctor said are very shady.
I take generics. Can't say I'd do the same in your case though.
The only children's liquid that we can find here is flavored.
Hmm, maybe ours was dye free. We need a new bottle and I'll have to investigate. :)

GAOMariposa 06-23-2010 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3170372)
I doubt it. I am sure it was a misunderstanding.

Plus, another person gave the wrong dose.

Just my observations and concerns.
The vet did the calculations and was the one who told me 3 mL. I would never give her anything that wasn't prescribed by a vet first. I just like to verify the information I receive, just in case. :) You never know. I got yelled at before by another vet because I gave my puppy a small amount of a pain med for her leg. He was not her regular vet but the night vet that does her certificates of travel. He said that I better not have given her Naproxen because it's toxic to dogs and that many people give it to their dogs, etc. etc. I told him that I would never give my baby anything without first checking with her regular vet. Sheesh!!! It was like her was preaching to the converted (I don't know if I used that saying right). :)

GAOMariposa 06-23-2010 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3173296)
I take generics. Can't say I'd do the same in your case though.
The only children's liquid that we can find here is flavored.
Hmm, maybe ours was dye free. We need a new bottle and I'll have to investigate. :)
Most definitely not. :) I don't think they even have a generic for Benadryl over here anyway. I didn't honestly look around because most, if not all, the medications you have to ask for them. And you can't really ask the pharmacists for help because most aren't pharmacists, just regular people.

kalina82 06-23-2010 04:11 PM
i guess if you were looking for a generic it would just be labeled Diphenhydramine HCl. that is the active ingredient in Benadryl

GAOMariposa 06-23-2010 04:36 PM
It's so hard to look for mess when they're behind the counter. :( but I didn't even ask for the generic either to see if they had it. The brand name was really cheap. It was like $5 over here. Medication is so inexpensive over here. At least most of the ones that are used the most.

GAOMariposa 06-24-2010 01:49 PM
I gave her 1.75 mL today to see how she would react with the dose and it didn't not make her sleepy. She's not running around hyper, so I guess it just doesn't have an effect on her. I'm scared to give her 3 mL. I have to take her in to her doctor in a week, so I'll double check with him on the dosage and let him know that the 1.75 mL didn't have an effect to see what he recommends.

Would lavender oil or something like that work?

GAOMariposa 06-24-2010 02:13 PM
I just got off the phone with her U.S. vet and was told the 3-4 mL was okay for her. If not, that I should buy the 25mg adult tablets and give her a little less than a 1/4 of the tablet.

kalina82 06-24-2010 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GAOMariposa (Post 3175036)
I just got off the phone with her U.S. vet and was told the 3-4 mL was okay for her. If not, that I should buy the 25mg adult tablets and give her a little less than a 1/4 of the tablet.
i believe she is using 2mg/kg of diphenhydramine instead of 1mg/kg. the usual recommended dose is 1-2 mg/kg so she is using the higher end. its up to you if you want to up the dose a little to see what happens.

Ellie May 06-24-2010 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3175164)
i believe she is using 2mg/kg of diphenhydramine instead of 1mg/kg. the usual recommended dose is 1-2 mg/kg so she is using the higher end. its up to you if you want to up the dose a little to see what happens.
You mean 2mg/lb?

Ellie May 06-24-2010 07:47 PM
At 2mg/lb and 4 pounds, that would be somewhere between 3-4ml (didn't figure it exactly). So 4 is a slight overdose when looking at the standard dose. Just fine if the vet said to do it...

I'm just not sure giving that much Benadryl to try and calm a pup down is a good way to go. If it actually works, great, but I honestly don't see it happening.

kalina82 06-25-2010 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3175370)
You mean 2mg/lb?
yeah lol. i was looking at my info on diphenhydramine and its dosed at 2.2mg/kg so i guess i had that on my brain while typing. medically we usually deal with mg and kg, not lbs. we give doses for some meds in pounds because its easier for owners to understand. so in my head i'm doing the calculations my way and then trying to type it here the other way.

1-2mg/lb is the dosing range. and i think the vet was using the upper range of the dose to get 3-4ml. 3.4ml is the dose for a 4.3lb dog done at 2mg/lb i believe

Ellie May 06-25-2010 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3175500)
yeah lol. i was looking at my info on diphenhydramine and its dosed at 2.2mg/kg so i guess i had that on my brain while typing. medically we usually deal with mg and kg, not lbs. we give doses for some meds in pounds because its easier for owners to understand. so in my head i'm doing the calculations my way and then trying to type it here the other way.

1-2mg/lb is the dosing range. and i think the vet was using the upper range of the dose to get 3-4ml. 3.4ml is the dose for a 4.3lb dog done at 2mg/lb i believe
lol, I figured it was a mistype b/c you did it in pounds the other day.
It kinda irritates me that it is done in pounds. It just confuses things when almost everything else is done in kg.

Brooklynn 06-25-2010 04:05 AM
I've always given baby benedryal and I always give 1cc per pound but actually 1 cc less than their actual weight because of fear of overdosing. I always have a syringe in cc's. For flying I'd give rescue remedy instead of benedryal myself but as always...ask your vet that you trust for the correct dosage. This is what I do for "my" dogs and I always say ask the vet you trust first and don't do what I do. This is just what I do for my dogs. But I'd try the rescue remedy as it's natural for calming the nerves.

Donna

GAOMariposa 07-02-2010 06:18 PM
Hello everyone. Thank you for the replies. I think her vet was doing the 2mg/Kg. Since I'm in Mexico, everything is in kilograms. :) I tried looking for the tablet form so that I could be sure to give her the 1mg/lb dose, but I couldn't find the tablets anywhere. I tried two of the large chain pharmacies and they only have liquid Benadryl. I even tried the Walmart pharmacy and it was the same thing. I have no idea why they don't carry the tablet form.

I was thinking of trying the 3ml and see if that works. It scares me, but the lower dose didn't calm her down. I don't really want to try giving her anything stronger. On the flight she doesn't bark or anything. She just pants the entire time once they start pressurizing the cabin. I wanted to just take the edge off of her stress. I'm going to try next week to give her maybe 2.5ml and see if that does anything. But first I'm going to find her vet's new office. They just moved yesterday to a new place. I have the address but I want to make sure I know where it is in case something goes wrong and I need to rush her to the vet.

Thank you everyone for your help.

Ellie May 07-02-2010 06:21 PM
Hmm, isn't the high dose between 3-4ml? If yes, then don't be too nervous to go to three. It should be just fine if you have exceeded 2mg/lb.

kalina82 07-02-2010 06:41 PM
Since you only gave her 1.75mls the last time and it had no effect i'd bump it up a little. You can go slow and bump it up a little until you get to the max dose and if it doesn't work by then you're better off not going any higher. try giving her 2mls next time, then 2.5, then 3. you want to go with the lowest working dose.

Also just wanted to mention that there are these shirts/wraps for dog anxiety. I bought the Thundershirt | The Best Solution for Dog Anxiety for Morgan because she's scared of thunderstorms, fire crackers, loud noises, etc... She's doing really well with it. Every friday night the nearby college has a baseball game in the spring/summer and they set off fire works afterwards. The past few fridays i didn't have to put the shirt on her. She was aware of the fire works and came to lay down next to me but she didn't shake or pant (which she usually does). so we're making progress.

GAOMariposa 07-02-2010 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3184641)
Hmm, isn't the high dose between 3-4ml? If yes, then don't be too nervous to go to three. It should be just fine if you have exceeded 2mg/lb.
Thank you. I will try that and see if it works. Keeping my fingers crossed. :)

GAOMariposa 07-02-2010 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3184666)
Since you only gave her 1.75mls the last time and it had no effect i'd bump it up a little. You can go slow and bump it up a little until you get to the max dose and if it doesn't work by then you're better off not going any higher. try giving her 2mls next time, then 2.5, then 3. you want to go with the lowest working dose.

Also just wanted to mention that there are these shirts/wraps for dog anxiety. I bought the Thundershirt | The Best Solution for Dog Anxiety for Morgan because she's scared of thunderstorms, fire crackers, loud noises, etc... She's doing really well with it. Every friday night the nearby college has a baseball game in the spring/summer and they set off fire works afterwards. The past few fridays i didn't have to put the shirt on her. She was aware of the fire works and came to lay down next to me but she didn't shake or pant (which she usually does). so we're making progress.
I saw those shirts while searching through eBay a few weeks ago. The funny thing is that my baby is completely fine with thunderstorms and fireworks. We're having a lot of thunderstorms right now and she sleeps right through them. Usually if it's a loud clap of thunder she'll wake up and immediately go back to sleep. Same thing with fireworks. They set off fireworks practically every other night over here. :) The only thing that really gets her nervous is the airplane and really really long car trips. When my family and I traveled to Southern California (a 5 hour car ride) during the early morning, she did fine. But on the way back she wouldn't sit still. I really hope the Benadryl does help to settle her down a bit. I'm going to try increasing the dosage slowly to see what works or her. Thank you again for your help. :)

kalina82 07-02-2010 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GAOMariposa (Post 3184743)
I saw those shirts while searching through eBay a few weeks ago. The funny thing is that my baby is completely fine with thunderstorms and fireworks. We're having a lot of thunderstorms right now and she sleeps right through them. Usually if it's a loud clap of thunder she'll wake up and immediately go back to sleep. Same thing with fireworks. They set off fireworks practically every other night over here. :) The only thing that really gets her nervous is the airplane and really really long car trips. When my family and I traveled to Southern California (a 5 hour car ride) during the early morning, she did fine. But on the way back she wouldn't sit still. I really hope the Benadryl does help to settle her down a bit. I'm going to try increasing the dosage slowly to see what works or her. Thank you again for your help. :)
These types of shirts can be used for many types of anxiety. travel, separation, thunderstorms, crate training, barking, excessive excitability, etc... Thundershirt | Travel Anxiety sometimes one method is not enough. maybe the benadryl alone doesn't work, but pair it with the shirt and you might have success.

another example could be for noise/crate/separation anxiety. Pair the shirt with a calming dog CD to drown out other noises or to make the dog feel like they are not alone.

Its hard to see them so anxious with whatever scares them. I tried many things to help Morgan but nothing worked. So i figured what the heck, i'll give it a try. Plus you have a 45 day guarantee, so if it doesn't help you can return it for a full refund.

GAOMariposa 07-05-2010 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3184812)
These types of shirts can be used for many types of anxiety. travel, separation, thunderstorms, crate training, barking, excessive excitability, etc... Thundershirt | Travel Anxiety sometimes one method is not enough. maybe the benadryl alone doesn't work, but pair it with the shirt and you might have success.

another example could be for noise/crate/separation anxiety. Pair the shirt with a calming dog CD to drown out other noises or to make the dog feel like they are not alone.

Its hard to see them so anxious with whatever scares them. I tried many things to help Morgan but nothing worked. So i figured what the heck, i'll give it a try. Plus you have a 45 day guarantee, so if it doesn't help you can return it for a full refund.

That sounds like it might work. The problem is that since I'm in Mexico right now and my flight is at the end of this month, I won't get it in time. It took 2 months last time for me to get a book that was sent from the U.S. :( I'm going to try the Benadryl again...I just gave her another higher dose and I'm also going to try playing the sounds that you hear in an airplane in increasing volume over the next 3 weeks. A little desensitization. :) Hopefully that helps. I'll look into the thunder shirts while I'm in the U.S. Thanks again for your help. :)

kalina82 07-05-2010 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GAOMariposa (Post 3187323)
That sounds like it might work. The problem is that since I'm in Mexico right now and my flight is at the end of this month, I won't get it in time. It took 2 months last time for me to get a book that was sent from the U.S. :( I'm going to try the Benadryl again...I just gave her another higher dose and I'm also going to try playing the sounds that you hear in an airplane in increasing volume over the next 3 weeks. A little desensitization. :) Hopefully that helps. I'll look into the thunder shirts while I'm in the U.S. Thanks again for your help. :)
sounds like you have a great plan! your welcome and good luck!

GAOMariposa 07-09-2010 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3187343)
sounds like you have a great plan! your welcome and good luck!
Thanks. :) I have played the sounds on the speaker on my iPod and then on my laptop for 2 days and then I played the sounds with speakers at a higher level. So far so good. :) I hope that keeping her up late the night before, waking her up early the day of the flight, the Benadryl and desensitization all work. :)


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