Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3122711)

Be careful which peppermint oil you use, use ONLY food grade... Just a drop or 2 on your dogs paws (all 4 pads)

I have been doing some reading and from what I have read peppermint oil (the essential oil) should not be used on paws because they will lick it and it shouldn't be ingested..

Remember if you cannot cook with the peppermint oil then you cannot use it on your dog's paws.

I know peppermint oil works awesome for many other things and in humans as well. My friend buys peppermint leafs and makes a tea before bed and it helps her insomnia..

Anyhow here are some links.
HowStuffWorks "Peppermint: Herbal Remedies"

How to Calm Dogs with Peppermint Remedy | eHow.com

How to Calm Dogs With Peppermint Oil on Paws | DailyPuppy.com

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3122700)

i read through this thread and the other one and have some input. Morgan has a terrible fear of thunder, loud noises, high pitch noises (like the beep from the CO/fire alarm when it resets), and changes in the electricity/pressure in the air (i'm guessing that's what it is). I have never tried RR or any product like that with her. I've tried ignoring it and just calming going on with whatever i'm doing but it doesn't help her. i don't baby her to enable the problem. I've tried wrapping her tightly in a blanket, wiping her down with an anti static sheet, holding her on my lap, and putting her vest harness on a little more snuggly then usual. The harness does help a little sometimes but none of the other things do. I an interested in getting one of those vest for her and am more partial to the anxiety wrap with the butt straps. i've watched the videos and read all over that site. I was going to order one but i need one custom made because morgan is just a little smaller then the smallest size they make. When i emailed them a month or so ago their custom maker wasn't able to make anything for a few weeks to months so i waiting. So i just emailed them again after reading this thread to see if she's back.

OH, and i read some one here suggested peppermint oil which i find interesting. I was just reading something on a groomers forum about what to do to make the dog more comfortable when they first meet you. Someone suggested chewing cinnamon or peppermint gum (not sure which they actual suggested) because for some reason it seems to calm them. I'm gonna start trying it at work to see what happens.

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3122700)

i read through this thread and the other one and have some input. Morgan has a terrible fear of thunder, loud noises, high pitch noises (like the beep from the CO/fire alarm when it resets), and changes in the electricity/pressure in the air (i'm guessing that's what it is). I have never tried RR or any product like that with her. I've tried ignoring it and just calming going on with whatever i'm doing but it doesn't help her. i don't baby her to enable the problem. I've tried wrapping her tightly in a blanket, wiping her down with an anti static sheet, holding her on my lap, and putting her vest harness on a little more snuggly then usual. The harness does help a little sometimes but none of the other things do. I an interested in getting one of those vest for her and am more partial to the anxiety wrap with the butt straps. i've watched the videos and read all over that site. I was going to order one but i need one custom made because morgan is just a little smaller then the smallest size they make. When i emailed them a month or so ago their custom maker wasn't able to make anything for a few weeks to months so i waiting. So i just emailed them again after reading this thread to see if she's back.

OH, and i read some one here suggested peppermint oil which i find interesting. I was just reading something on a groomers forum about what to do to make the dog more comfortable when they first meet you. Someone suggested chewing cinnamon or peppermint gum (not sure which they actual suggested) because for some reason it seems to calm them. I'm gonna start trying it at work to see what happens.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3122303)

Do you have links to any of these products. I've have not heard of any of them before. All I'm trying to do is find more information and give my little guy some type of relief. Are BioCal and Composure RXs? Obviously Prozac is a RX and was one of the things that my sister tried on her dog. It made her into a zombie. The oils actual did help so it makes this more confusing.

As for T touch and anxiety wraps which we touched on do you have any type of scientific studies regarding these? What is Calm Cap? Something that goes on their head? Like a hood?

Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3122601)

I have used Rescue Remedy and it works and I being a calm person don't think this is the case of why it works :rolleyes:

I also believe that if a person has a pet that has serious anxiety issues that are prolonged they need to be seeing a special vet because there may be some other concerns that are causing the problem.

There are probably people who give too much of a dose to their pets at a given time and I believe that could cause an upset stomach. To much of ANY thing can do this to a small Yorkie, so it's up to the parent/owner to use caution.

Some people have rubbed it on their pets ears and it worked fine for them this way.

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122848)

what about cerenia for car sickness? There are two forms one for anti-vomitting and one for car sickness. The one for car sickness is much stronger as I have looked into it for dex.

Has anyone used this?

Pfizer Animal Health Dogs Health Management

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3122869)

I'm pretty sure there is just one formula for Cerenia and its just given in different dosages. High dosage for motion sickness then acute vomiting. its just an anti-nausea medication.

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122874)

I bought it and there are two different boxes - one for anti-nausea and one for motion sickness - Have not used it yet though

so there are two boxes and also injections for dogs with pancreatitis, etc and yes each has different doseage amounts and the motion sickness one is much stronger dose

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122874)

I bought it and there are two different boxes - one for anti-nausea and one for motion sickness - Have not used it yet though

so there are two boxes and also injections for dogs with pancreatitis, etc and yes each has different doseage amounts and the motion sickness one is much stronger dose

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3122925)

that must be new then. Last i saw it (about a year ago now) it was the same medication for both problems. There were about 4 different mgs the medication came in but there wasn't one for just motion sickness and one for just acute vomiting. you might need a different mg for different problems but it was the same medication. so like a 5lb dog would need about 1/2 of a 16mg tab for vomiting, and a whole 24mg tab for motion sickness.

and yes it comes in injectable form too.

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122942)

not sure but think it is a blister form so you cannot cut it - I will check as have not used it but box is at home so will post when i go home and check it out. I bought it to get him to board certified dentist so he is not vomitting when we get there and going under anesthesia as he is about 45 minutes away in traffic :(. Dentist and IMS said it would be safe with anesthesia but a little nervous still :(

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3122948)

yeah i think its the same thing that i'm talking about then. these were in blister packs as well and you can still split them in half. it doesn't alter the effectiveness of the medication. Cerenia is safe with anesthesia. we would give it to patients who were vomiting in hospital

Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3122844)

No I was saying I would not use Rescue remedy as there was no testing as it is something that goes in the dog and could do harm but I was ok with T Touch and the wraps as although no studies they would not do any harm as it was done on the dog.
JL

Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3122601)

I have used Rescue Remedy and it works and I being a calm person don't think this is the case of why it works :rolleyes:

I also believe that if a person has a pet that has serious anxiety issues that are prolonged they need to be seeing a special vet because there may be some other concerns that are causing the problem.

There are probably people who give too much of a dose to their pets at a given time and I believe that could cause an upset stomach. To much of ANY thing can do this to a small Yorkie, so it's up to the parent/owner to use caution.

Some people have rubbed it on their pets ears and it worked fine for them this way.

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122874)

I bought it and there are two different boxes - one for anti-nausea and one for motion sickness - Have not used it yet though

so there are two boxes and also injections for dogs with pancreatitis, etc and yes each has different doseage amounts and the motion sickness one is much stronger dose

Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3122844)

Centaur VA Would be link to Bio Calm and you can ask a vet to get it in for you

Link for the other Composure Liquid - Calming support supplement for dogs (canine) and cats (feline)

Calming cap calming cap for dogs
Tellington Touch What is TTouch®? - Tellington TTouch Training™

Wrap Anxiety Wrap for the nervous or unconfident dog

No I was saying I would not use Rescue remedy as there was no testing as it is something that goes in the dog and could do harm but I was ok with T Touch and the wraps as although no studies they would not do any harm as it was done on the dog.


JL

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3123663)

Kinda seems silly to have 2 products for the same thing. Motion sickness causes vomiting, and motion sickness IS nausea. Makes me think maybe they want to make more $$. I dunno.. just wondering out loud (sorta..lol)..

But I read all about it on the link you sent and it sounds like a really good product.

I just don't understand why it cannot be used on a dog 16 weeks and younger. Like where did they come up with that exact age? lol.. Would be nice to be able to give it to puppies be flown and such (of course pre-tested on the pup b4 leaving)..

I always LOVE the possible side effects of drugs...... But these are a little concerning to me..
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Does CERENIA have any side effects?

Most dogs do very well on CERENIA. But as with all medicines, some dogs may experience side effects. Side effects are rare with CERENIA, but when they do occur, the most common ones are excessive drooling, lethargy, lack of appetite, and diarrhea.

A few dogs may vomit after taking the medicine. Giving CERENIA with a small amount of food will help avoid this. Remember not to wrap the tablets tightly, so they can dissolve properly.

Is CERENIA right for all dogs?

The safe use of CERENIA has not been tested in female dogs that are breeding, pregnant or are nursing, dogs that have swallowed foreign objects, and dogs that have eaten poisonous substances. Caution should be used in giving CERENIA to dogs with liver problems.

CERENIA is recommended for dogs 16 weeks and older.

The most common side effects seen with CERENIA are excessive drooling (5-13%), lethargy (9%) and vomiting not due to motion sickness (5-9%).

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3123939)

i think the reason not to be given to puppies of that age and i could be totally off base here so others may jump in - is because it affects something in their brain to keep them from reacting to the motion and these pups are still developing so may be why they are against it or could be due to size not sure

the other thing is this has to be given 2 hrs before leaving lol that is a long time to prepare before getting in the car

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3123967)

Wow 2 hours? lol ..I ended up finding a pdf of the insert, and it said something about a bone marrow issue with pups under 16 weeks.. I didn't really understand it and couldn't find anything about it on the web.

my Puppies almost always get sick when I take them in the car for their first vet checks or when we go to the airport. Makes me feel bad for them..

Originally Posted by JJinjersey (Post 3123990)

I used Rescue Remedy on my Bryan last year when we flew to Florida for Thanksgiving. I put 3 drops in his water in the airport and within ten minutes he voluntarily got into his carrier which he neve does and stayed they for then entire flight.....I made his eyes very glassy and he kept licking his lips....don't think i would do that to him again.....

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3123655)

What do you mean by no testing? Dr. Bach most certainly tested his remedies and I think that over 70 years is plenty of "testing";)

I would much rather give my dog, and anyone in my family including me that has been used for over 70 years (near 80) and that is natural then a pill from the vet.

These products work for the majority of animals and people. It is made the same exact way, by the family and bottling plant/distributor for over 70 years.

The alcohol is used to make the tinctures and is used as a preservative. It is also the type of alcohol that is used, Brandy is one and grape alcohol. The alcohol in tinctures actually evaporates to a point. and it is not enough alcohol to hurt someone, or make them groggy or for that matter, get drunk..lol

If you were take a gallon of it (tincture) ya might get darn good buzz on, but these are very minute (tiny) amounts your actually getting

For 12 years I have used the products on myself, hubby, son, dogs, etc without any problems and I have terrible allergies. And they work for us.

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3124457)

Other then Dr Bach himself what studies that this works has been done using double blind and or any other methods and what are those studies by any other DR not vested in selling it.
I never said it caused problems or would cause problems or anything about its content.

Show me those studies I look into it more but I like my stuff to have legs outside folk lore.

JL

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3124906)

The use of homeopathy in veterinary medicine is controversial, as there has been little scientific investigation and current research in the field is not of a high enough standard to provide reliable data.

This does not mean it doesn't work. Same goes for human use.

Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3125095)

Well I need facts and as Bio Calm is herbal and tested I will work with that.
What it is made does not cause problems as you can freely double the dose and it will have no ill effects and by the looks of what I read the same can not be said of RR. Once the field after 70 years gets it act together and does testing at high enough standards to provide reliable data then I will look at it again. I truly hope it does not take another 70 years.

JL

Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3125095)

Well I need facts and as Bio Calm is herbal and tested I will work with that.

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3125194)

I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. Only giving MY personal experience. This isn't a debate.

Use what you want, I thought we were here to talk about rescue remedy..

Most natural remedies, and herbs and even vitamins are NOT tested. They do not fall under the FDA rules and guidelines. Use whatever you want, I honestly don't care, but there is no need to attack my opinion!