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blondschilli 02-21-2010 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3011356)
yeah the way they know if it is blocked is they put a dye in the duct and if it does not roll out the nose they know it is blocked and why the nose is dry
I know that the doc put dye in his eye and turned off the light to look at the eye but I think he was focused on checking on a scratched eye. He did not say so much. Only that the one eye seemed smaller than the other eye and their was no ulcers, you can see that one eye is smaller but I figured it was from squinting his eye so much, when he was young.

Ladymom 02-21-2010 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by blondschilli (Post 3011708)
I know that the doc put dye in his eye and turned off the light to look at the eye but I think he was focused on checking on a scratched eye. He did not say so much. Only that the one eye seemed smaller than the other eye and their was no ulcers, you can see that one eye is smaller but I figured it was from squinting his eye so much, when he was young.
Regular vets don't have the training or equipment to diagnose much more than simple eye infections, scratches, etc. which is why most will refer you to an ophthalmologist.

I hope you get the little guy examined quickly.

dwerten 02-21-2010 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by blondschilli (Post 3011708)
I know that the doc put dye in his eye and turned off the light to look at the eye but I think he was focused on checking on a scratched eye. He did not say so much. Only that the one eye seemed smaller than the other eye and their was no ulcers, you can see that one eye is smaller but I figured it was from squinting his eye so much, when he was young.
yeah opthamologist is better as they check everything unlike a vet - i paid $160 to have dex checked out and it was well worth it as i had concrete answers

Nancy1999 02-21-2010 09:25 AM
This is one of the reasons that I try to discourage people from breeding, it often is very expensive, as you mentioned you had to pay for a c-section and x-rays, but the eyes are nothing to mess with. I hope people never breed because they want to earn a little extra money; they often end up costing you a fortune. He may need treatment for the rest of his life.

dwerten 02-21-2010 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3011720)
This is one of the reasons that I try to discourage people from breeding, it often is very expensive, as you mentioned you had to pay for a c-section and x-rays, but the eyes are nothing to mess with. I hope people never breed because they want to earn a little extra money; they often end up costing you a fortune. He may need treatment for the rest of his life.
if it is dry eye he will have to be on cyclosporine for life and the dye test has to be done where they shoot the dye down the tear duct for it to come out the nostril so checking for scratch would be a different dye test

blondschilli 02-21-2010 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3011720)
This is one of the reasons that I try to discourage people from breeding, it often is very expensive, as you mentioned you had to pay for a c-section and x-rays, but the eyes are nothing to mess with. I hope people never breed because they want to earn a little extra money; they often end up costing you a fortune. He may need treatment for the rest of his life.
This is true. I did do this litter to pay my aunt back for helping me when I was in a tight squeeze, and it did end up totally not in my favor. I wish I had not even breed Sassy. Her mother did fine but their is always costly litters so it seems. I just truely enjoy my yorkie pups, its more of a hobby to me. :animal36

Nancy1999 02-21-2010 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by blondschilli (Post 3011789)
This is true. I did do this litter to pay my aunt back for helping me when I was in a tight squeeze, and it did end up totally not in my favor. I wish I had not even breed Sassy. Her mother did fine but their is always costly litters so it seems. I just truely enjoy my yorkie pups, its more of a hobby to me. :animal36
I understand, but this can be one expensive hobby, just owning a dog can be very expensive, breeding really can cost you, if it's done right.

blondschilli 02-21-2010 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3011740)
if it is dry eye he will have to be on cyclosporine for life and the dye test has to be done where they shoot the dye down the tear duct for it to come out the nostril so checking for scratch would be a different dye test
He did not do this test. I do have my boyfriends family in California that is wanting him bad, I told them I will have large vet bills to help his eye, she said take him in save that eye she will buy him for a way cheaper price and pay for all the vet bills. I think I will bawl my head off when he goes. My boyfriend will fly with the pup on the plane in a carrier, that is the only way I will let this pup get on a plane. If not they must drive here to get him after the eye is checked and he needs no more treatments:animal36

Ladymom 02-21-2010 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by blondschilli (Post 3011797)
He did not do this test. I do have my boyfriends family in California that is wanting him bad, I told them I will have large vet bills to help his eye, she said take him in save that eye she will buy him for a way cheaper price and pay for all the vet bills. I think I will bawl my head off when he goes. My boyfriend will fly with the pup on the plane in a carrier, that is the only way I will let this pup get on a plane. If not they must drive here to get him after the eye is checked and he needs no more treatments:animal36
You must prepare any potential owner that treatment will be ongoing - and expensive - for his entire life. That's why it is essential that he been evaluated by an ophthalmologist before he is placed with anyone, even a family member. Anyone considering adopting this puppy must know what caring for him will involve. For instance, if his lacrimal glands are too small to function, tear stimulators like cyclosporin will not work. He will need artificial tears applied every couple of hours so he would need to be placed in a home where someone will be home with him most of the time. If surgery is recommended, a new owner would need to know that upfront as eye surgeries run in the thousands of dollars.

Whatever your reasons for having this litter, you produced a puppy with a medical condition so you are responsible for him.

dwerten 02-21-2010 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3011796)
I understand, but this can be one expensive hobby, just owning a dog can be very expensive, breeding really can cost you, if it's done right.
yeah amen to that just owning one can be costly loll i have to hand it to breeders could not do that NO WAY lolllll

dwerten 02-21-2010 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by blondschilli (Post 3011797)
He did not do this test. I do have my boyfriends family in California that is wanting him bad, I told them I will have large vet bills to help his eye, she said take him in save that eye she will buy him for a way cheaper price and pay for all the vet bills. I think I will bawl my head off when he goes. My boyfriend will fly with the pup on the plane in a carrier, that is the only way I will let this pup get on a plane. If not they must drive here to get him after the eye is checked and he needs no more treatments:animal36
well if he is coming to california i can recommend a good opthamologist to over see him after being diagnosed by your opthamologist - where in so cal will he go?

ladyjane 02-21-2010 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by blondschilli (Post 3011708)
I know that the doc put dye in his eye and turned off the light to look at the eye but I think he was focused on checking on a scratched eye. He did not say so much. Only that the one eye seemed smaller than the other eye and their was no ulcers, you can see that one eye is smaller but I figured it was from squinting his eye so much, when he was young.

Sounds like micophthalmia which is hereditary. I have a yorkie with it. She has excess drainage from her eye because of the size.....it sits back a bit in the socket and does not drain properly. She came to be from a bust a couple of years ago and was about 5 years of age at that time. She cannot see out of that eye.

Here is a link about this:

Microphthalmia (Small Eyes) in Puppies

It is common in Cavaliers and breeders are discouraged from breeding the parents of dogs afflicted with this condition.

Microphthalmia and the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

I DO hope you intend to find out exactly WHAT is wrong with this puppy and take the appropriate steps to help him; and if it turns out this is a genetic condition, you will alter his parents.

MaddiesMommie 02-21-2010 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blondschilli (Post 3010830)
I am not the one with the other thread. someone else with dry eye problem. What is a lacrimal gland and is it repairable? I am the breeder of this litter. No problems in my yorkies line and I checked with the lady whom I used her male and she said she has had no problems. I have not sold this pup yet due to this. With the csection xray tails shots and other visits and the breeding cost I am not even making my money back, but I did tell the last person I would give her the dog for $500 thats $150 less than the other I sold, he is very tiny, 1lb 9oz at almost 12 weeks. How much do you think taking a guess that it would be to get this repaired if at all possible?
My dog's parents appeared to have no problems either, however, my girl has dry eye.:( The vet I use, now, quickly sent us to an ophthamologist.

Have you have a schirmer test done? This is where a strip of filter paper is placed over the conjunctival sac of the eye and measures the tear production. This is the usual method for determining dry eye.

There are medications you can use to help treat dry eye. These are used for life. Medications were given to Maddie, however, none worked on her. Her tear duct does not work, therefore, tear stimulators will not work. Her only option is a surgery: parotid duct transposition. The parotid duct carries saliva from the salivary gland in the cheek to the front of the mouth. This long delicate tube can be surgically re-routed to the eye.

When do you go to the vet? The sooner the better.

blondschilli 02-21-2010 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3012026)
well if he is coming to california i can recommend a good opthamologist to over see him after being diagnosed by your opthamologist - where in so cal will he go?
North of San Deigo, near Mearmar an Airforce base.

Ladymom 02-21-2010 08:03 PM
According to the health survey conducted by the YTCA, dry eye (KCS) is the second most common eye problem in Yorkies.

Health Survey 2007

Genetics are very complicated and breeding is a huge responsibility. It's now very important that you find out from an ophthalmologist exactly what the puppy has. Depending on the diagnosis, his parents may have to be altered and retired from breeding. You should also contact the person who bought his brother and make them aware if this turns out to be a genetic condition. In this case, you should expect to pay for his brother's eye exam also.


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