Vaccine Death?
 

We had our 11 week old puppy for 3 weeks. I took her for her first puppy visit and she received the boardatello and the DA2LPP/Corona First Vaccine. She was perfectly healthy before that. That was on Wednesday. On Wed night she began to drool quite profusely. I called the vet on Thur a.m. and they said it was probably a reation to the toothpaste they had given me. As Thur and Fri progressed she got increasingly whinier. Saturday morning about 4:45 she had a seizure and another at 6:45. We took her to the vet at 8 and they kept her saying it might be a shunt. By Saturday at 11 p.m. they called to see if we wanted her revived if she quit breathing. Sunday morning at 9:30 we made the horrible decision to euthanize. She was having continuous seizures even under maxium doses of Valium and phenobarbitol. We are completely grief stricken. The vet firmly declared that the vaccine had nothing to do with this, but I just can't believe it. Our breeder is devestated as well and has made the very kind offer to give us another puppy from the litter. If we accept this offer I am so confused about vet care and vaccines. My heart is broken. I feel like I blindly handed her over to be killed. She was a Christmas gift that my husband saved and saved for. Any advice about what do to.

I am deeply sorry for your loss and your heartbreak. What was your puppy's name?

Im very sorry for your loss. Im not sure what to think of vaccines anymore. My yorkie gets the intranasal kennel cough, and I swear ever since shes been getting it, she hasnt been the same. Sorry again.

I'm am very sorry for your loss. :(

Yorkies are very prone to liver shunt, and that may have been the problem. However, this breed can be extremely sensitive to the lepto vaccine. Even if it was a shunt, the lepto could've made things worse. That isn't to say that this vaccine should never be given, but the benefit usually doesn't outweigh the risk. Unfortunately, if a shunt was present, it was genetic, so any replacement pup from these parents could also have the problem.

Name
 

Her name was Sophie. It has been a long dream to have a Yorkie, but financially we werent' able. My dh really sacrificed to get her for me. I just feel like my heart has been ripped .

You can read about vaccines in the YT library:http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-overview.html

I believe my boy was given unnecessary vaccinations and he was given them too early. Our 1-year vaccinations are coming up, and I am switching vets and following Dr. Jean Dodd's recommendations (detailed in the linked thread).

it was definitely the vaccines so get a new vet if you get another puppy and they should NEVER EVER give all those vaccines at once to a tiny puppy. I am so sorry and to blame the tooth paste GIVE ME A BREAK i have never heard of the toothpaste causing a reaction like that EVER

I'm so sorry. I always keep a bottle of Benadryl after they get vaccinated. It was not your fault don't feel bad. I recommend you search for a vet that specialise in toy breeds.
RIP Sophie

Rest in peace sweet Sophie.

If you accept the other puppy from your breeder, find a vet who specializes in toy breeds as suggested, and have them test immediately for shunt. Then follow the vaccination guidelines in the link I posted above.

Weight
 

Sophie had not quite made 3 pounds. She was 2 lb 11 oz on the Saturday she went to the hospital. The other puppy we have been offered is a little over 4 lbs. I wondered as well if her small size made the vaccine worse. Would there have been any sign of a shunt before she got so bad? She was completely normal and playful until the evening after the shot.

with liver shunt they walk along the walls, spaced out after eating, picky eaters, seizures

When you took her to the vet after seeing problems and they did a wild guess with liver shunt they should have at least ask you if you wanted a test done. There are a few test that can be done and if she would have come back positive surgery could have been an option.
You had a bad vet who is doing the minimum for his patients. So whether it was the vaccine or liver shunt they should have been more prepare. And he cannot confirm it was not the vaccine because he did not perform an autopsy.
If you do pick another pup from the same litter please get a liver shunt test perform.

Walking on walls?
 

The only time she did this was about a week and 1/2 ago. I took her to see a friend who has a poodle and a whippet. The poodle was all in her face. She walked against the counter and the wall there at first - I thought it was to keep the poodle away from her because this way she was behind chairs etc. She did it just a little in their hall but mostly played as she got used to the other dogs. Could this one time event have been a sympton of a liver shunt. That is the only potential symptom I saw till the seizures started.
As regards the test they did a liver function test that was normal. They were waiting till Monday to do the bile acid test, then they decided to go ahead and do it, but by that time she was too sick.

Reactions to vaccinations are another typical symptom of liver shunt.

As mentioned the breed has problems with lepto and due to their size should be given vaccines separately. Not combined.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

I'm so sorry you lost your Sophie like this......Your pain and sorrow is completely understandable........It wasn't your fault in any way. The vet was put in the position to administer the best and safest care possible. He was supposed to be the professional, he was supposed to inform you of the risks and benefits of the medical procedure. Whether the pup had some underlying medical problem or the vaccine caused it may never be known. Considering the symptoms where so closely related to the vaccines I would highly suspect that was the cause. But what he did was wrong.......

It absolutely amazes the ignorance that vets have when it comes to administering vaccines to our pets. A combo vaccine should never be administered to any pet. Administering that vaccine was equivalent to a beloved pet of being exposed to seven different diseases, all at one time. It was a tremendous assault for the immune system to handle. Small dogs are particularly vulnerable to adverse reactions..... Giving combo vaccines (multi-valiant, polyvalent) and/or several shots at once greatly increases the risk of adverse reactions as well as the risk that the vaccines will interfere with each other, resulting in neutralization or negation. The vaccine also has totally unnecessary components in it, as in Corona, Bordetella, Lyme etc.

The reaction rate increased significantly as body weight decreased. That is, small dogs were at greatest risk for a reaction. Risk for dogs weighing 11 pounds or less was 4 times greater than the risk for dogs weighing 99+ pounds. I have always been shocked that a Chihuahua puppy and an adult Great Dane are given the same dose shot. They get the same volume of virus or bacteria plus the same volume of adjuvants (boosting agents like aluminum), preservatives (like mercury), and antibiotics. All these ingredients are known to cause vaccine reactions.

If it where me I would look for a vet who is following the newer vaccine protocol, they are few and far between.....Briefly that would entail, only the core vaccines given, no boosters, no combo's, space vaccines 3-4 weeks apart, and rabies after 6 months and given seperate from any other vaccine, flea or heartworm products......I highly recommend doing research on overvaccination .....I has helped me tremendously......

I am really sorry this happened to your family, I wish you well ......May sweet Sophie RIP........

:rbyorkie: I am so sorry about Sophie. :rbyorkie:

Our vet only gives the puppy shots one at a time. Every week or 2 spaced out. She said she does this to be able to tell which shots if any the puppy is having a reaction to so they know what the problem is. She only charges for the shots and not a visit each time the puppy is in for these shots. Then we have to wait in the office at least /2 hour after the shots are given.
Also, we chose to not give our dogs the Lepto shot based on info I discovered here on YT and because the vet's staff recommended against it.
No combo vaccines are used.

Personally, I would find a new vet. :mad:

I'm sorry to hear this, may Sophie rest in peace.. :cry:

this is what it looks like

YouTube - Liver Shunt - Pug Pacing and Head Pressing

vaccine reactions

Allergic Reaction to Vaccines in Dogs

wow sounds like you have a great vet there - i always say it is best to wait 1 hr after shot at office but good to know 2 hrs is even better

more vaccine reaction info

Adverse Reactions to Vaccinations in Dogs

Sorry typo...she makes us wait at least 1/2 hour to 1 hour after a shot is given.
And she gives the shots first thing in the morning so that the vets office is open should there be a reaction.

I am so very, very sorry for your loss.....

I had no idea that vaccines could cause so many reactions, until one of my little ones reacted poorly. (In fact, that is how I found YorkieTalk.)

So, relating to your pain and loss. Sending hugs and sympathy your way....

I believe it was the shots for sure. How would they explain that she had no symptoms until AFTER the shots were given?? They gave her way too many shots at once and the Lepto is scary even if given all by itself. Corona IMO is not needed at all and only added to this. I am soooo sorry about your baby :(

that was so interesting to see... any idea what causes them to pace the walls? I understand it is the liver shunt, but what about having liver shunt would cause them to pace a wall?

I am so sorry for your loss.
It's heartbreaking.

I have a breeder friend who let a 12 week old puppy go to their new home last year. She was doing great and the new owner took her to Banfield for her check up. They gave her a parvo/distemper shot as well as a Corona shot. They also did bloodwork and it was normal. The next day the puppy started going downhill. She was hospitalized over the course of 4 days and eventually got so bad that she had to be put down. Her body was sent to a veterinary school state testing lab that has an excellent reputation. A necropsy was done and there were NO abnormalities, no shunting, nothing. The report concluded that the puppy had "hypoglycemia brought on by vaccines". My breeder friend did not have to since the cause was not genetic, but she replaced the puppy. She held onto the next one until she was done with all her vaccines and had had a full blood workup at the breeders vet when she was 4 months old, and the owner went to a different vet. These vaccines DO cause issues in small breed puppies, especially Lepto and Corona. They are both so dangerous and if they are REALLY needed in an area with high incidence of either disease, then they should be given separately from the regular 5 way shot. Vets are too quick to give a 1-2 lb puppy a load of these shots, and they give the same dose to a 100 lb dog. It just doesn't make sense.

So why didn't the breeder explain this to the puppy owner? Did the breeder give her any information on vaccinations?

http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf

Oh yes, she definitely did! I left that part out but she not only tells puppy buyers about the vaccines that they should and shouldnt get, but she gives them paperwork with the information as well in capital letters and goes over it when the puppy is picked up. She did this with that buyer, but when she took the puppy to Banfield they have a discount "package" that includes the vaccines. The buyer said that the vet just gave the puppy the set of vaccines and then gave her a printout when she left of what she had had. They did not even ask her. My friend now makes a point when each puppy leaves to tell her story and to remind each person to TELL their vet which vaccines they want and speak up. It could mean their life!

Sad...after the breeders hardwork...I HATE BANFIELD because they make their $$$$ on vaccinations even the ones not needed but in this case they convinced the puppy owner to go ahead.