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Patti 02-09-2010 11:34 AM
How traumatic for her and you. Hope she feels better soon. Hugs

HollyandMommy 02-09-2010 12:07 PM
Ouch!!! XOXO for U and Sugar. I am thinking about taking Holly in to surgery but I will ask my vet how he does it first I do not want to go trough that. OMG I feel so bad for U both. Hope she gets better.

miabellaamoure 02-09-2010 12:15 PM
I want to just repeat what every one else here has said...I'm so sorry your little one had to experience that!:(

However...my first thoughts when I saw the photo of the raw area was an "allergic reaction" to the adhesive on the tape used to secure the bandage.

That is exactly what that looks like on a human patient who comes in contact with an allergic agent in the "tape".

So, before jumping to conclusions about the Vet's skills...it IS possible that this is something that your Yorkie just happens to be allergic to.

I would definitely make sure this is known to any future Vet's you may go to and make sure it's documented in the medical records to prevent this from occurring again especially after any future surgeries.

Again...to me, it looks like a severe allergic reaction to the "tape".

zippadee 02-09-2010 12:41 PM
terrible
 
I would have been livid. Nobody and I mean "NOBODY" hurts my dog. That is completely uncalled for and I would find another vet immediately. Even if they apply that kind of tape (which they should not have done), they should be able to get it off without hurting the animal. There are safe solvents that will remove the glue and release the hair.

miabellaamoure 02-09-2010 12:49 PM
I understand people being alarmed at what your babies belly looked like but, believe me if this is an "ALLERGIC" reaction to an adhesive bandage...it's nobodies fault.

Let's even say...for instance her dog went in for any other reason and needed a bandage even to hold an iv in place...this still could still have happened.

All I'm saying is even tho' most spay & neuters do not require a bandage and one was applied in this case...it is more than likely a reaction to the sticky adhesive on the back of the tape.

If you google images of allergic reactions to adhesive bandages...you'll see what I'm talking of.

This happens to humans all the time and I know this from personal experience...;)-;)

ellaYORKIE 02-09-2010 01:06 PM
I would never think of getting Ella spayed, unless it was for a health reason but that just seems totally wrong what they did to your poor little girl. It doesn't seem that a vet w/ their knowledge would do something that was going to rip her skin off. Geez. I am sorry that this happened. I do agree that you should get a new vet.

TwoforFun 02-09-2010 01:31 PM
It is possible that it could have been an allergic reaction, but I see that happening on people with very sensitive skin. Thin skin can rip of with the adhesive and trust me a yorkies belly looks very sensitive to me. They might just be used to bigger dogs that don't have that problem. If there are any types of blisters then I would go with the allergy part but that looked like rip skin to me.
I think the sensible thing to use as a dressing would be dermabond, if not reg 4+4's with paper tape or any other bandage for sensible skin will have done it.

kjc 02-09-2010 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by violet voon (Post 2993500)
I believe different vet/vet tech have different methods, ...
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 2993461)
Bandages should never be put over sutures, unless temporary. Sutures should be inspected at least daily to ensure proper healing. No swelling, redness, oozing from the surgical site. Nothing should ever be applied to a sutured area (creams or ointments) as they can interfere with the healing process. Sutures should be kept dry at all times. If a pup should remove one or two sutures, call your vet to see if they need to be replaced..
This is accepted surgical protocol, as is vet scrubbing before surgery, donning gowns and gloves, using sterilized instruments when performing surgery and/or procedures. This is not a 'method', nor an option, to do it any other way provides open avenues for infection, putting a pet's life and health at risk.

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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 2993461)
New theory on skin healing: Keeping a sore/wound (unsutured) moist can speed healing. Antibiotic ointment will keep the skin soft and promote healing. Letting the skin dry out will cause itching, pain if skin has to stretch as in walking/running, skin may crack and ooze. When cleansing, always blot the skin, never rub. And be wary, if it is painful to her, she could get nippy.
This, on the other hand, is a method/technique, more recently used and proven in human medicine, and is by all means optional, to be considered at your discretion.

Nancy1999 02-09-2010 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by miabellaamoure (Post 2995783)
I want to just repeat what every one else here has said...I'm so sorry your little one had to experience that!:(

However...my first thoughts when I saw the photo of the raw area was an "allergic reaction" to the adhesive on the tape used to secure the bandage.

That is exactly what that looks like on a human patient who comes in contact with an allergic agent in the "tape".

So, before jumping to conclusions about the Vet's skills...it IS possible that this is something that your Yorkie just happens to be allergic to.

I would definitely make sure this is known to any future Vet's you may go to and make sure it's documented in the medical records to prevent this from occurring again especially after any future surgeries.

Again...to me, it looks like a severe allergic reaction to the "tape".
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Yes, I agree with you, I tried to explain this in my post (51), you did it much better.

violet voon 02-09-2010 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by miabellaamoure (Post 2995832)
I understand people being alarmed at what your babies belly looked like but, believe me if this is an "ALLERGIC" reaction to an adhesive bandage...it's nobodies fault.

Let's even say...for instance her dog went in for any other reason and needed a bandage even to hold an iv in place...this still could still have happened.

All I'm saying is even tho' most spay & neuters do not require a bandage and one was applied in this case...it is more than likely a reaction to the sticky adhesive on the back of the tape.

If you google images of allergic reactions to adhesive bandages...you'll see what I'm talking of.

This happens to humans all the time and I know this from personal experience...;)-;)

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2996137)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Yes, I agree with you, I tried to explain this in my post (51), you did it much better.
I seriously think this might be the case, most probably Sugar is allergic to the adhesive tape. I will keep this in note, and will refer this to future vet. Thank you very much for giving me this idea, I wouldn't have thought of it.
By anyway, I think the vet/vet tech should have at least use some lotion/alcohol/anything to help removing the adhesive tape, I don't know..I'm not a doctor, I don't know if it's Ok to remove adhesive tape using lotion on sensitive skin :(

violet voon 02-09-2010 06:47 PM
I would love to say THANK YOU all very very much for all the kind words, concerns... :)
Sugar and I are touched, YT is the bestest forum ever!

Breeze 02-09-2010 06:54 PM
Hugs and kisses to your poor sweet girl, I hope she feels better. I also think an allergic reaction I get similar symptoms from the adhesive on bandages.

Nancy1999 02-09-2010 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by violet voon (Post 2996450)
I seriously think this might be the case, most probably Sugar is allergic to the adhesive tape. I will keep this in note, and will refer this to future vet. Thank you very much for giving me this idea, I wouldn't have thought of it.
By anyway, I think the vet/vet tech should have at least use some lotion/alcohol/anything to help removing the adhesive tape, I don't know..I'm not a doctor, I don't know if it's Ok to remove adhesive tape using lotion on sensitive skin :(
I actually think the damage is done before they remove the tape, it a skin reaction to the adhesive, all I can say is the pain is horrible. Sometimes rashes can look bad, but not be too painful, but in this case, it's very painful. I hope you can find something that soothes it, mine was very much like a really bad burn; it blistered and scabbed over. I imagine the longer the tape is on the skin, the worse the burn.

violet voon 02-09-2010 07:05 PM
Updates
 
I just took this photo, I'm very surprised Sugar's healing pretty fast! I guess the antiseptic helps a lot..
Thank you for all the concerns for once again :)
And I would like to thank Mom to Hot Rod for offering a soft collar for Sugar's future surgery usage (Sugar has hernia...I really hope there's no 2nd surgery needed), Thank you! Sugar and I are very happy to know all of you :)

violet voon 02-09-2010 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by violet voon (Post 2996505)
I just took this photo, I'm very surprised Sugar's healing pretty fast! I guess the antiseptic helps a lot..
Thank you for all the concerns for once again :)
And I would like to thank Mom to Hot Rod for offering a soft collar for Sugar's future surgery usage (Sugar has hernia...I really hope there's no 2nd surgery needed), Thank you! Sugar and I are very happy to know all of you :)
Opps I forgot the pic!

Nancy1999 02-09-2010 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by violet voon (Post 2996508)
Opps I forgot the pic!
Looks a lot better, the antiseptic does look like its helping. Thats very thoughtful of Mom to Hot Rod!

NJames1953 02-09-2010 07:56 PM
Sugar
 
Thank goodness he is doing better.
Poor baby hugs for her and you

Breeze 02-09-2010 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by violet voon (Post 2996508)
Opps I forgot the pic!
Her tummy looks so much better, great job! And a big round of applause to Mom to Hot Rod.

miabellaamoure 02-10-2010 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2996498)
I actually think the damage is done before they remove the tape, it a skin reaction to the adhesive, all I can say is the pain is horrible. Sometimes rashes can look bad, but not be too painful, but in this case, it's very painful. I hope you can find something that soothes it, mine was very much like a really bad burn; it blistered and scabbed over. I imagine the longer the tape is on the skin, the worse the burn.
You are absolutely correct in assuming the damage is already done even prior to the removal of the adhesive bandage.

A friend of mine has a similar reaction after a breast biopsy and you can just imagine how painful to have this kind of damage to such tender tissue under a breast...definitely made for an awful time of healing and trying to keep that area dry & aired out.

florencelisa 02-10-2010 02:30 AM
oh your poor baby. thank you for posting this. it's helpful for me because i'm thinking of getting my baby spayed as well. your post will help prevent other yorkies from suffering anything similar. i would have cried as well, sigh - this hurts me just looking at the pictures!

florencelisa 02-10-2010 02:40 AM
so glad she is doing much better!

lil louis 02-11-2010 10:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by violet voon (Post 2996505)
I just took this photo, I'm very surprised Sugar's healing pretty fast! I guess the antiseptic helps a lot..
Thank you for all the concerns for once again :)
And I would like to thank Mom to Hot Rod for offering a soft collar for Sugar's future surgery usage (Sugar has hernia...I really hope there's no 2nd surgery needed), Thank you! Sugar and I are very happy to know all of you :)
I am glad that Sugar is feeling better. That was so nice of Mom to Hot Rod! There are so many kind people on YT!:)

violet voon 02-11-2010 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lil louis (Post 2998829)
I am glad that Sugar is feeling better. That was so nice of Mom to Hot Rod! There are so many kind people on YT!:)
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violet voon 02-11-2010 06:41 PM
Update of Sugar
 
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I snapped this pic today, the little "black dots" are actually dried blood. I'm thinking to give her a bath today or tomorrow...she didn't shower for more than 14 days, but right now I'm thinking if it's OK to give her a shower now...

PenniesMom 02-11-2010 11:12 PM
big cut
 
I used to work in a recovery room after the pets would come out of surgery and I have NEVER seen a cut that long usually its only a TINY little line for a spay maybe 3 stitches to close. am i the only one seeing this?

AbbysMom08 02-11-2010 11:44 PM
I'm just now seeing this. :eek:
I am so sorry your little one had to go through this.
It's good to hear (and see) that she is doing much better.

Cerise 02-12-2010 07:02 AM
Poor baby! I am so happy to read she is doing better. I know are are relieved and feeling better too!

violet voon 02-12-2010 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PenniesMom (Post 2999813)
I used to work in a recovery room after the pets would come out of surgery and I have NEVER seen a cut that long usually its only a TINY little line for a spay maybe 3 stitches to close. am i the only one seeing this?
Yes, I noticed the big cut too... according to the vet, the surgeon tried to check the condition of Sugar's hernia, could it be the reason?

violet voon 02-12-2010 10:19 AM
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The photo earlier wasn't the exact condition, photo taken under daylight is so different from indoor under fluorescent light. Just in case some of you may wonder :)

MauiGirl 02-12-2010 10:31 AM
Glad to see she is healing well.


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