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kjc 12-09-2009 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by viviansnickers (Post 2910051)
This is great!!!!!!! Thank you Shaunna!!!!

Snick & Viv
Ditto!!!! Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou! :D

Amoureux 12-10-2009 12:19 AM
I agree, thank you very much. I do not see Royal Canin in the lists. Any idea if it has Ethoxyquin in or not. It is what I feed with the raw for my puppies and I do have a girl that itches sometimes.

LindaLS 12-10-2009 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2909356)
Could you list all of the foods you tried that she didn't do well on?
Hello,

Every food that is on Wal Mart shelves, Pedigree, Maxium, Iams all the name brands. The vet said to try Science Diet prescription and that was the worse of all. The poor girl reaked of the most horrible smell and her bowels were gushing. :eek: (Yes I do know about changing food slowly)

Than I went to Pet Co and began on those such as Nature. But than I came across Canidae and she seems to be doing a bit better but now that I see this also contains that poison I will be changing again.

As I said she had cancer once and I don't want to feed her this and encourage a relapse.

LindaLS 12-10-2009 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2909353)
Ethoxyquin | Swiss Lick Swissies

Foods confirmed to be ethoxyquin-free:
Innova
Evo
California Naturals
Blue Buffalo
By Nature
Flint River Ranch
Fromm
Merrick
Petcurean
Timberwolf
Wellness
Orijen
Acana
Nature’s Variety
Life’s Abundance
Halo (Spot’s Stew)
Horizon
Pinnacle
Canine Caviar
Eagle Pack
Evangers
Castor & Pollux
Evolve
Nature’s Logic
Grandma Mae’s
Ziwi Peak
Nature’s Logic

Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided):

Diamond
Canidae
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover’s Soul
Solid Gold
Artemis
Taste of the Wild
Iams
Eukanuba
Natural Balance
Hills
Premium Edge
Fosters & Smith
Nutro
Kirkland
I have never heard of most of these foods. I copied them and plan to print them off and head to the Pet Co. This is wonderful, had no idea there was so many. Iams? Eukanuba? I am really surprised here.

Thanks for the work you put into making this list. Hanna and I both appreciate it.

BonBon 12-10-2009 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LindaLS (Post 2910403)
Hello,

Every food that is on Wal Mart shelves, Pedigree, Maxium, Iams all the name brands. The vet said to try Science Diet prescription and that was the worse of all. The poor girl reaked of the most horrible smell and her bowels were gushing. :eek: (Yes I do know about changing food slowly)

Than I went to Pet Co and began on those such as Nature. But than I came across Canidae and she seems to be doing a bit better but now that I see this also contains that poison I will be changing again.

As I said she had cancer once and I don't want to feed her this and encourage a relapse.
The food will only contain Ethoxyquin if it has fish meal in it. I don't think the original Canidae has any fish meal. Read the ingredients in it before you decide to switch. Many of the brands on the list posted above don't contain ethoquin - this list is very misleading because only those with fish meal contain ethoxyquin.

Canidae is a MUCH better food than any of those others you listed. If she likes it and is doing well on it, I'd stick with it. Good luck!:)

LilMissy 12-10-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Amoureux (Post 2910262)
I agree, thank you very much. I do not see Royal Canin in the lists. Any idea if it has Ethoxyquin in or not. It is what I feed with the raw for my puppies and I do have a girl that itches sometimes.
"We have learned Ethoxyquin is used as a preservative in such widely marketed dog foods as ANF, NutriMax, Hills Prescription Diet WID (sold in vet hospitals!), Nutro, Purina, IAMS, Royal Canine"

So according to this website The Problem with Ethoxyquin yes it does. :(

LilMissy 12-10-2009 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2910424)
The food will only contain Ethoxyquin if it has fish meal in it. I don't think the original Canidae has any fish meal. Read the ingredients in it before you decide to switch. Many of the brands on the list posted above don't contain ethoquin - this list is very misleading because only those with fish meal contain ethoxyquin.

Canidae is a MUCH better food than any of those others you listed. If she likes it and is doing well on it, I'd stick with it. Good luck!:)
It is not necessarily only used to preserve fish meal. It protects fats and oils from becoming rancid, so it can be used to preserve animal fat and animal byproducts as well as fish meal. It is just most commonly used to preserve fish meal is all. I personally wouldn't take the chance of feeding a company's food that is willing to use Ethoxyquin whether it be for fish meal or anything else. Especially after reading the paragraph below....scarey!

What is ethoxyquin, exactly?
Ethoxyquin was developed 35 years ago as a rubber stabilizer, has been used as a chemical preservative and is regulated by the FDA as a pesticide. Yes folks, I said pesticide. Scary huh? The FDA recognizes that this chemical has toxic side effects and as such has restricted its use in human foods, allowing for only trace amounts (.5 to 5ppm), yet they continue to allow its use in pet foods. The allowed amount for pet foods is extremely high (150ppm). Ethoxyquin has been linked to liver and kidney problems, cancer, reproductive issues, behavior problems, hemolytic anemia, stillborn pups, birth defects such as cleft palates, and various skin and coat conditions. The developer of ethoxyquin, Monsanto, even made sure that warning labels on containers of this chemical warn workers to wear eye and respiratory protection, and to only handle it with gloves. The container itself features a prominent skull and crossbones sign with the word POISON on it and it is listed as a hazardous chemical by OSHA. Ethoxyquin has also been linked to seizures. A mere 10 drops of this substance is enough to cause convulsions, coma and death.

BonBon 12-10-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2910681)
It is not necessarily only used to preserve fish meal. It protects fats and oils from becoming rancid, so it can be used to preserve animal fat and animal byproducts as well as fish meal. It is just most commonly used to preserve fish meal is all. I personally wouldn't take the chance of feeding a company's food that is willing to use Ethoxyquin whether it be for fish meal or anything else. Especially after reading the paragraph below....scarey!

What is ethoxyquin, exactly?
Ethoxyquin was developed 35 years ago as a rubber stabilizer, has been used as a chemical preservative and is regulated by the FDA as a pesticide. Yes folks, I said pesticide. Scary huh? The FDA recognizes that this chemical has toxic side effects and as such has restricted its use in human foods, allowing for only trace amounts (.5 to 5ppm), yet they continue to allow its use in pet foods. The allowed amount for pet foods is extremely high (150ppm). Ethoxyquin has been linked to liver and kidney problems, cancer, reproductive issues, behavior problems, hemolytic anemia, stillborn pups, birth defects such as cleft palates, and various skin and coat conditions. The developer of ethoxyquin, Monsanto, even made sure that warning labels on containers of this chemical warn workers to wear eye and respiratory protection, and to only handle it with gloves. The container itself features a prominent skull and crossbones sign with the word POISON on it and it is listed as a hazardous chemical by OSHA. Ethoxyquin has also been linked to seizures. A mere 10 drops of this substance is enough to cause convulsions, coma and death.
I'm glad you posted this. Apparently I completely misunderstood what I've read. I need to go back and do more research. Thanks!

viviansnickers 12-10-2009 06:56 PM
Wow!! And to think now, Snick has had several of those foods in his small life span of 1.5yrs. I'm sad!! He's had Nutro (for the 1st few months we had him!), Artemis, & Natural Balance (so many YT'ers feed this!!) I gave him potential poison.....what we learn day to day on this site is so valuable!!!!

:mad:
Snick & Viv

LilMissy 12-10-2009 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by viviansnickers (Post 2911041)
Wow!! And to think now, Snick has had several of those foods in his small life span of 1.5yrs. I'm sad!! He's had Nutro (for the 1st few months we had him!), Artemis, & Natural Balance (so many YT'ers feed this!!) I gave him potential poison.....what we learn day to day on this site is so valuable!!!!

:mad:
Snick & Viv
I know! There are some really great foods on that list that contain Ethoxyquin. I was soooo happy that Petcurean is ethoxyquin free. That's the only kibble I've ever given my girls. I homecook (previously fed RAW), but I've always left some kibble out for them to nibble on if they get hungry. I think they should ban the use of ethoxyquin in pet food. There are other preservatives that can be used.

MaddiesMommie 12-11-2009 07:06 PM
I feel helpless and up a s-creek! Maddie will ONLY eat TOTW. I have tried many other foods. She stoped eating, lost weight, and starting acting puney. I was trying to wait her out thinking she would not starve to death, but she was literally eating 2-3 pieces a day!!
Now she is eating TOTW again and back to her lively, healthy self.

viviansnickers 12-12-2009 07:53 AM
Honestly I would never feel comfortable feeding my Snick a food even if it doesn't have fishmeal in it, from a company that would use ethoxyquin. Same way I don't feel comfy feeding him raw from a company that outsources their Rabbit for their kibble from China. Ugh!! This stinks!!!

When I was transitioning Snick off of Evo to another kibble (turned out to be Acana) I saw Earthborne at my feed store and bought a sample grainfree bag. Well Snick LOVED it and now I just use it as treats (it has some fillers in it I don't like and decided not to use it for his daily kibble.) Now I am wondering if Earthborne uses ethoxyquin. He gets about 4-5 kibbles a day of it, which is not much.

Geez!
Snick & Viv

ps...MaddiesMommie--I feel for you girl!!!!

megooego 12-12-2009 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by viviansnickers (Post 2913013)
Honestly I would never feel comfortable feeding my Snick a food even if it doesn't have fishmeal in it, from a company that would use ethoxyquin. Same way I don't feel comfy feeding him raw from a company that outsources their Rabbit for their kibble from China. Ugh!! This stinks!!!
I agree with you Vivian!

But wait- which raw food company does the above? ^^ I know you originally fed Nature's Variety and switched to Primal.. Don't tell me I have to switch again, lol.. It is like we are never in the clear with these dog food companies! :(

viviansnickers 12-13-2009 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by megooego (Post 2913019)
I agree with you Vivian!

But wait- which raw food company does the above? ^^ I know you originally fed Nature's Variety and switched to Primal.. Don't tell me I have to switch again, lol.. It is like we are never in the clear with these dog food companies! :(
:(:( Yes, NV outsources their Rabbit for their RAW (not kibble, my mistake) from CHINA. BOO!!!! At least they don't use ethoxyquin though!!!:confused:


Snick & Viv

friscomom 01-11-2010 06:25 PM
Gees this dog food thing is complicated.


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