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Ellie May 10-01-2009 08:47 AM
Allergy Experts, in here please
 
If a dog is allergic to beef, wouldn't they also be allergic to beef cartilage?
Since the protein is the allergen, if cartilage contains protein, I would think so.
So, is cartilage protein?

BonBon 10-01-2009 10:57 AM
I know very little about allergies, but I googled the question 'Is cartilage protein?' and several answers popped up referring to cartilage proteins. So I would assume cartilage contains protein.

I have the same question about chicken. Alexander is allergic to chicken but he can eat products containing eggs. ???

Ellie May 10-01-2009 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2822769)
I know very little about allergies, but I googled the question 'Is cartilage protein?' and several answers popped up referring to cartilage proteins. So I would assume cartilage contains protein.

I have the same question about chicken. Alexander is allergic to chicken but he can eat products containing eggs. ???
I think eggs and chicken are different but couldn't even begin to explain why.
I know if a dog is allergic to chicken, they can usually tolerate chicken fat.

I've been giving Ellie Cosequin for the longest time and just today I see a revised ingredient list and one of the things in it is derived from bovine cartilage. We have reason to believe that Ellie is allergic to beef, so now I don't know what to do.

BonBon 10-01-2009 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2822771)
I think eggs and chicken are different but couldn't even begin to explain why.
I know if a dog is allergic to chicken, they can usually tolerate chicken fat.

I've been giving Ellie Cosequin for the longest time and just today I see a revised ingredient list and one of the things in it is derived from bovine cartilage. We have reason to believe that Ellie is allergic to beef, so now I don't know what to do.
Has she been taking any of the new Cosequin formula yet? What about the other types of Cosequin (chewables, liquid, etc.)? Do they all contain bovine protein now?

Ellie May 10-01-2009 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2822777)
Has she been taking any of the new Cosequin formula yet? What about the other types of Cosequin (chewables, liquid, etc.)? Do they all contain bovine protein now?
She has taken the regular capsules for well over a year; but she is always constantly itchy, so I have no idea if it's related. I had looked into the chewables before, but they contain garlic which I would do if I can avoid it. Never saw the liquid before. Hmmm. It's like you have to ask about every single little thing before using a product and once a week thereafter to make sure they haven't changed anything.:mad:

BonBon 10-01-2009 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2822786)
She has taken the regular capsules for well over a year; but she is always constantly itchy, so I have no idea if it's related. I had looked into the chewables before, but they contain garlic which I would do if I can avoid it. Never saw the liquid before. Hmmm. It's like you have to ask about every single little thing before using a product and once a week thereafter to make sure they haven't changed anything.:mad:
Well, I could have sworn I saw a Cosequin liquid when I went to buy mine the other day. I've just done a couple of searches for it online & nothing. I must be losing my mind.

Ellie May 10-01-2009 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2822786)
She has taken the regular capsules for well over a year; but she is always constantly itchy, so I have no idea if it's related. I had looked into the chewables before, but they contain garlic which I would do if I can avoid it. Never saw the liquid before. Hmmm. It's like you have to ask about every single little thing before using a product and once a week thereafter to make sure they haven't changed anything.:mad:
won't, not would :)

Ellie May 10-01-2009 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2822801)
Well, I could have sworn I saw a Cosequin liquid when I went to buy mine the other day. I've just done a couple of searches for it online & nothing. I must be losing my mind.
When I search, the answers just confuse me.
There is a cartilage protein, but I don't know.:confused:

We need a biochemist here. :)
I think I'll just have to ask the vet because I don't want to stop it if it can't be causing a problem. :( I dunno anymore.

BonBon 10-01-2009 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2822808)
When I search, the answers just confuse me.
There is a cartilage protein, but I don't know.:confused:

We need a biochemist here. :)
I think I'll just have to ask the vet because I don't want to stop it if it can't be causing a problem. :( I dunno anymore.
That's the best thing to do. I just wish I have a vet as good as yours.

Ellie May 10-01-2009 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2822817)
That's the best thing to do. I just wish I have a vet as good as yours.
I'm sorry. :(
Move to MI and I'll share. :)

BonBon 10-01-2009 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2822838)
I'm sorry. :(
Move to MI and I'll share. :)
It would almost be worth it! ;)

RachelandSadie 10-01-2009 12:18 PM
i don't know but i'm on standby to find out here...my dog might have seasonal allergies and need benedryl

Wylie's Mom 10-02-2009 04:30 AM
Allergies are so confusing. I'll be interested in the answer too.

Like if corn bothers a dog, would Zea Mays (corn silk) - I never got a clear answer on that from Orijen.

And why are some dog allergic to all "feather foods": - like chicken, duck, turkey etc? Which actual substance IS IT?

lil fu fu girl 10-02-2009 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2822570)
If a dog is allergic to beef, wouldn't they also be allergic to beef cartilage?
Since the protein is the allergen, if cartilage contains protein, I would think so.
So, is cartilage protein?
There are three different types of cartilage used in the body. However, all contain the fibrous collagen, which is protein based. As for the mircobiology of exactly how this protein is related to the protein in the "meat", is another field, sorry with that I cannot help.

Ellie May 10-02-2009 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 2823629)
There are three different types of cartilage used in the body. However, all contain the fibrous collagen, which is protein based. As for the mircobiology of exactly how this protein is related to the protein in the "meat", is another field, sorry with that I cannot help.
Yikes, science is confusing.
I think it is probably better to stop it for now until the vet says what to do or tells me to decide. ha.


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