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ladyjane 03-08-2014 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4403217)
He is trying to use HIS scare tactics to get people tobuy HIS stuff.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

BrooklynBlues 03-08-2014 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4403207)
Yes, the organization sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies must have all the correct answers!


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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4403215)
This is false info!
This would be more credible if you cared to explain exactly which info is false and why.


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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4403213)
Oh my...that guy again..
Yeah, it's that guy, and this guy (Why Haven’t Pet Owners Been Told These Facts about Heartworm?), and this one (The Billion Dollar Heartworm Scam), and this one (Heartworm Medication Part 1: Truths, Omissions and Profits), and countless others.

TxVicki 03-08-2014 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBlues (Post 4403202)
The heartworm medicines are a scam. The educated way to deal with the heartworm threat is to test your dog for heartworms three times a year (i.e. once every 4 months).

If the test results continue to be negative, there is no reason to give the dog heartworm medication EVER.

If a test is positive, give your dog a regular dose of ivermectin, and that will take care of the larvae. Remember, 4 months is not enough for adult heartworms to develop, so the treatment will be the same as the so called "preventative."

More reading: Are drug companies honest about heartworm?
WOW your so off base. I run from people like you !!!

Lovetodream88 03-08-2014 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TxVicki (Post 4403225)
WOW your so off base. I run from people like you !!!
I know right the whole conspiracy thing for anything is crazy.

Ellie May 03-08-2014 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4403213)
Oh my...that guy again. I am wondering why the sudden interest. His thoughts greatly concern me when it comes to the welfare of peoples' pets.
:eek: It is him again!

I'll go with my vet and her "BS" on this one.
Stopping in November is based on a lack of understanding about the lifecycle and meds commonly used. Skipping doses can lead to certain larvae stages not being eliminated.

ladyjane 03-08-2014 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBlues (Post 4403224)

The last link is another person (who is not a vet) who is complaining about the following:
The heartworm industry authority, The American Heartworm Society (and their cat heartworm site) offers a wealth of information. Their website is a public service but also a marketing tool aimed at buyers and resellers of heartworm meds.
Yet, she herself is making a living touting all of her "facts". Here is her shopping area on her site: Shopping Cart for Scared Poopless and Nutrition Recordings
Definition of a hypocrit.
And, she is not the only one....most of the holistic sites are selling products.

BrooklynBlues 03-08-2014 07:31 PM
Instead of choosing people to attack based on their supposed lack of credibility, why don't you attack the actual facts?

Statements like "Ohmygod, this is so false," or "That is simply not true!" etc, simply don't fly in the face of SCIENTIFIC FACT. Nor does "I've been giving my dog her heartworm medicine once a month and she never got heartworms" qualifies as a logical conclusion that you're following the optimal regimen for heartwarm control.

Here is the research paper on heartworm disease. Read it and feel free to post here if you have any questions.

ladyjane 03-08-2014 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBlues (Post 4403270)
Instead of choosing people to attack based on their supposed lack of credibility, why don't you attack the actual facts?

Statements like "Ohmygod, this is so false," or "That is simply not true!" etc, simply don't fly in the face of SCIENTIFIC FACT. Nor does "I've been giving my dog her heartworm medicine once a month and she never got heartworms" qualifies as a logical conclusion that you're following the optimal regimen for heartwarm control.

Here is the research paper on heartworm disease. Read it and feel free to post here if you have any questions.
I have no time for this. You go do what you want when you get your dog. Hope it works well for you and your pet.

I know what the scientific facts are and I am not going to sit and debate with you based upon a few people's written thoughts. I will continue to provide my pets with heartworm preventatives...I have sadly seen dogs die because of people like you who refuse to listen to the real facts. One of them was a foster of a friend and she suffered needlessly because someone did not use prevention.....horrible. I have also seen the vast numbers of dogs go through the horrible treatment to kill heartworms. Not going to happen to my beloved pets.

Conspiracy theories are of no interest to me.

BrooklynBlues 03-08-2014 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4403276)
I will continue to provide my pets with heartworm preventatives
That's funny, because as was said before, there is no such thing. There are insecticides that kill heartworms and their eggs. There is no medicine on earth that will prevent them.

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...I have sadly seen dogs die because of people like you who refuse to listen to the real facts.
Don't bunch me together with idiots who don't use heartworm control, period. That is not what I said, and if you think it is, then you need to take up reading comprehension.

Heartworm disease is a real threat. But in this country it's managed by overpoisoning dogs. If you choose to do that with your pet, just remember that you are responsible for it.

Lovetodream88 03-08-2014 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBlues (Post 4403270)
Instead of choosing people to attack based on their supposed lack of credibility, why don't you attack the actual facts?

Statements like "Ohmygod, this is so false," or "That is simply not true!" etc, simply don't fly in the face of SCIENTIFIC FACT. Nor does "I've been giving my dog her heartworm medicine once a month and she never got heartworms" qualifies as a logical conclusion that you're following the optimal regimen for heartwarm control.

Here is the research paper on heartworm disease. Read it and feel free to post here if you have any questions.
Scientific fact is what I look at not some guy who wants to sell his stuff.

Lovetodream88 03-08-2014 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBlues (Post 4403280)
That's funny, because as was said before, there is no such thing. There are insecticides that kill heartworms and their eggs. There is no medicine on earth that will prevent them.



Don't bunch me together with idiots who don't use heartworm control, period. That is not what I said, and if you think it is, then you need to take up reading comprehension.

Heartworm disease is a real threat. But in this country it's managed by overpoisoning dogs. If you choose to do that with your pet, just remember that you are responsible for it.
It's called heart worm prevention there for it is real whether you believe what it does or not is your opinion. If giving dogs heart warm PREVENTION was poising them why do so many dogs life such long healthy lives that are taking it? Also what do you call it when they have heart worms and have to treat it? That is poison that can and does kill dogs!

Ellie May 03-08-2014 08:45 PM
Correct: Heartworm infection prevention does not exist. The drugs are actually a cure. However, it does prevent a case of full blown heartworm disease. I would rather use the heartworm cure pills (if that is what you prefer to call them) to kill L3 and L4 than wait until they turn into L5's. If one wants to wait until worms are reproducing in their dog's chest, fine. I will not and I will not do that to my dogs.

ladyjane 03-08-2014 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBlues (Post 4403202)
The heartworm medicines are a scam. The educated way to deal with the heartworm threat is to test your dog for heartworms three times a year (i.e. once every 4 months).

If the test results continue to be negative, there is no reason to give the dog heartworm medication EVER.

If a test is positive, give your dog a regular dose of ivermectin, and that will take care of the larvae. Remember, 4 months is not enough for adult heartworms to develop, so the treatment will be the same as the so called "preventative."

More reading: Are drug companies honest about heartworm?
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBlues (Post 4403280)
That's funny, because as was said before, there is no such thing. There are insecticides that kill heartworms and their eggs. There is no medicine on earth that will prevent them.



Don't bunch me together with idiots who don't use heartworm control, period. That is not what I said, and if you think it is, then you need to take up reading comprehension.

Heartworm disease is a real threat. But in this country it's managed by overpoisoning dogs. If you choose to do that with your pet, just remember that you are responsible for it.
Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. It is not true that one dose of Ivermectin is going to kill adult heartworms. Adult heartworms can develop in two months. So, if you want to call yourself an idiot, be my guest because yes, I am lumping you with the others who fail to protect their pets.

BrooklynBlues 03-08-2014 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4403338)
It is not true that one dose of Ivermectin is going to kill adult heartworms. Adult heartworms can develop in two months.
False and wrong. Before replying just for the sake of saying something, you would greatly benefit from reading the actual research paper, Clinical Techniques in Small Animal Practice, linked above. If you are unable to comprehend a 6-page research paper, you are not qualified to comment on the issue, or any scientific issue, for that matter.

ladyjane 03-08-2014 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBlues (Post 4403342)
False and wrong. Before replying just for the sake of saying something, you would greatly benefit from reading the actual research paper, Clinical Techniques in Small Animal Practice, linked above. If you are unable to comprehend a 6-page research paper, you are not qualified to comment on the issue, or any scientific issue, for that matter.
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