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xmasbaby75 05-07-2009 09:22 AM
Glucosomine & Weight Gain?
 
Anyone who gives glucosomine suppliments/treats, have you noticed any weight gain on your babies? I was giving Shadow some glucosomine treats for his LP, but I noticed him putting on weight. Nothing else had changed in his life, so I figured it had to be that. For anyone with LP, I would assume that the weight gain is worse for them than going without the suppliment, so I decided to take him off the treats, and he actually lost some weight. I really wanted him to have something to help his LP though. Is there anything he can have that won't cause weight gain? Is this common?

Ellie May 05-07-2009 09:51 AM
Never heard of that as a side effect.
How many of those treats was he getting a day and how many calories each?
How about Cosequin capsules?

Ellie has mild LP. She is on Cosequin and it makes no difference to her weight.

bildio 05-07-2009 12:20 PM
Squirt's been taking g for about 12 months, & no weight gain.

lil fu fu girl 05-07-2009 01:41 PM
Glucosamine is a dietary supplement usually derived from shellfish families, shark or beef cartilage, and sometimes fermented grains.
It has negligible kcalorie value.
Its role in the body is essentially to construct cartilage. It shows no secondary side effects of initiating weight gain.
What most likely is the culprit, are the snacks.

If you still wish to keep up the glocosamine for his knees, there are liquids and pills that can be given to them with food. That way you can keep up the regime, but manage the kcalorie intake.

Good luck.

xmasbaby75 05-07-2009 02:30 PM
This is what I was giving him. He was getting one a day.

Nutri-Vet Hip & Joint Wafer

bildio 05-07-2009 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xmasbaby75 (Post 2613205)
This is what I was giving him. He was getting one a day.

Nutri-Vet Hip & Joint Wafer
Holy chunky monkey! One wafer is 8 oz. Calorie per wafer is not provided.

xmasbaby75 05-07-2009 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bildio (Post 2613208)
Holy cow! One wafer is 8 oz. Calorie per wafer is not provided.
What do you mean? Should I only have given him 1/2 per day?

bildio 05-07-2009 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xmasbaby75 (Post 2613212)
What do you mean? Should I only have given him 1/2 per day?
I'm guesstimating 15 mg of g per Yorkie lb. So, 125 mg should be okay for an 8 lb Yorkie. However, it seems like the 8 oz wafer, in addition to regular meals & treats, could be a lot of calories. Hence the weight gain.

Ellie May 05-07-2009 03:46 PM
Those treats are really 8 ounces?
1/2 a pound?
That has got to be a ton of calories.
Cosequin is a good form of glucosamine anyway and is research, so I'd go with that.

xmasbaby75 05-07-2009 05:43 PM
The whole jar is 8 oz. - that's not per treat :)

lil fu fu girl 05-08-2009 04:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xmasbaby75 (Post 2613205)
This is what I was giving him. He was getting one a day.

Nutri-Vet Hip & Joint Wafer
Take a look at the ingredients list, provided by nutri-Vet.
Since ingredients are listed from highest quantity to lowest, then your dog is getting mostly wheat, animal fat, and peanuts!
These are High kcalorie items. Especially the animal fat which is number 3 on the list.
Not Good.
The active ingredient, is labeled as Glucosamine, which essentially means
that it is just one of the many ingredients.

This is not just a supplement, this is snack food in disguise.
Try to go for a supplement that is actually just the Glucocsamine.
It comes in a liquid, that is glucosamine and chondroitin alone,
without animal fat or peanuts for added kcalories. It is something that you would mix into their food at home.
That would be better for your pet especially since you are watching their weight.
Hope this helps.

xmasbaby75 05-08-2009 04:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 2613975)
Take a look at the ingredients list, provided by nutri-Vet.
Since ingredients are listed from highest quantity to lowest, then your dog is getting mostly wheat, animal fat, and peanuts!
These are High kcalorie items. Especially the animal fat which is number 3 on the list.
Not Good.
The active ingredient, is labeled as Glucosamine, which essentially means
that it is just one of the many ingredients.

This is not just a supplement, this is snack food in disguise.
Try to go for a supplement that is actually just the Glucocsamine.
It comes in a liquid, that is glucosamine and chondroitin alone,
without animal fat or peanuts for added kcalories. It is something that you would mix into their food at home.
That would be better for your pet especially since you are watching their weight.
Hope this helps.
Thank you so much! This is what I thought too, but I haven't been able to find just the glucosamine and chondroitin alone. Does anyone have a link to this suppliment that I can give him - without the "snack food" attached to it?? Thanks!!

lil fu fu girl 05-08-2009 04:47 AM
I have included a LINK to Doctors Foster and Smith.
They carry glocsamine and chondroitin in various forms that also
have other vitamins and minerals added along; such as fish oil for omega's and vitamin E.
I hope this works for you.

Morkie4 05-08-2009 04:51 AM
I give powdered supplements of the three, Glucosomine, Chondroitin and MSN and have seen no weight gain in any of the four fluffs that I give it to but I will say that I have seen a "huge" difference in their activity. Especially two that I know have LP..........they are now running and playing like never before. Actually, the one use to growl when I would bath her back legs or dry them and since she has been on the supplements, she does not even growl and after being on them she actually runs and fetches toys which she has not done since we rescued her. I really believe in this stuff that it does help.:thumbup:

lil fu fu girl 05-08-2009 04:51 AM
Sorry, link did not take your right there.
Just click on the " dog supplies", then type glocosamine in the search box.
It should lead you right there.

xmasbaby75 05-08-2009 05:09 AM
Is there a standard dosage of the powdered suppliments? I've found tablets, but they look huge.

Ellie May 05-08-2009 05:17 AM
This is what Ellie gets:
Cosequin Regular Strength (90 capsules)

I sprinkle it on her food.

xmasbaby75 05-08-2009 05:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2614024)
This is what Ellie gets:
Cosequin Regular Strength (90 capsules)

I sprinkle it on her food.
Thanks! Does she get one capsule a day?

Ladymom 05-08-2009 06:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 2613975)
Take a look at the ingredients list, provided by nutri-Vet.
Since ingredients are listed from highest quantity to lowest, then your dog is getting mostly wheat, animal fat, and peanuts!
These are High kcalorie items. Especially the animal fat which is number 3 on the list.
Not Good.
The active ingredient, is labeled as Glucosamine, which essentially means
that it is just one of the many ingredients.

This is not just a supplement, this is snack food in disguise.
Try to go for a supplement that is actually just the Glucocsamine.
It comes in a liquid, that is glucosamine and chondroitin alone,
without animal fat or peanuts for added kcalories. It is something that you would mix into their food at home.
That would be better for your pet especially since you are watching their weight.
Hope this helps.
Treats that contain glucosamine are deceiving as they don't contain enough glucosamine to be therapeutic. Each treat only has 125 mg of glucosamine and the recommended dose for a dog under 10 pound is 300 mg per day.

Get some regular strength Cosequin and just sprinkle it on his food daily.

xmasbaby75 05-08-2009 06:08 AM
Does it have to mix into their food? Shadow only eats dry food, does that matter? Is it one capsule per day?

bildio 05-08-2009 06:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xmasbaby75 (Post 2614068)
Does it have to mix into their food? Shadow only eats dry food, does that matter? Is it one capsule per day?
It doesn't need to be mixed with food. You could sprinkle some Cosequin Regular Strength on the food, & see if Shadow eats it. 1/2 capsule per day is recommended or 1 capsule every other day.

Ellie May 05-08-2009 06:22 AM
We did the loading dose of 1 capsule a day for 6 weeks and then we went down to a capsule every other day (or 1/2 capsule a day).

The capsules are too large for Yorkies to be forced to swallow and the capsule itself contains SLS which is best avoided. Can you just mix it in a small amount of sweet potato or something?

lil fu fu girl 05-08-2009 06:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2614065)
Treats that contain glucosamine are deceiving as they don't contain enough glucosamine to be therapeutic. Each treat only has 125 mg of glucosamine and the recommended dose for a dog under 10 pound is 300 mg per day.

Get some regular strength Cosequin and just sprinkle it on his food daily.
\

Absolutely true. Why use Glucosamine alone, when you can replace it with other ingredients that are just fillers, at half the cost!
That way you can use as little Glucosamine as legal, and then make 100% profit on what you sell.

Might be good capitalism, but bad ethically!
Buyer beware, is standard procedure when looking for healthy food
and supplements.

xmasbaby75 05-08-2009 07:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2614084)
We did the loading dose of 1 capsule a day for 6 weeks and then we went down to a capsule every other day (or 1/2 capsule a day).

The capsules are too large for Yorkies to be forced to swallow and the capsule itself contains SLS which is best avoided. Can you just mix it in a small amount of sweet potato or something?
Yes, I will try that! Thank you so much! It took about a month for Shadow to put the weight on, and about 2 months to lose it! Hopefully, this will help him without the weight gain!

Ladymom 05-08-2009 08:09 AM
Lady has pretty severe arthritis so we did the loading dose of one capsule a day, then stayed on one capsule every day. Per the directions on the bottle, 1/2 capsule or one whole capsule per day is the maintenance dose.

It has helped Lady tremendously. I never got the same results with Glycoflex and she had to take steriods for two years. She got Cushings from the steriods and had to be taken off them. We tried Tramadol daily for awhile, but Cosequin really took care of it. I am amazed. When she was only eight, her arthritis was so bad I had to walk her in a sling sometimes. At 13.5 years old on Cosequin, she runs! She has not needed Tramadol once since we started the Cosequin a couple of years ago.

xmasbaby75 05-08-2009 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2614237)
Lady has pretty severe arthritis so we did the loading dose of one capsule a day, then stayed on one capsule every day. Per the directions on the bottle, 1/2 capsule or one whole capsule per day is the maintenance dose.

It has helped Lady tremendously. I never got the same results with Glycoflex and she had to take steriods for two years. She got Cushings from the steriods and had to be taken off them. We tried Tramadol daily for awhile, but Cosequin really took care of it. I am amazed. When she was only eight, her arthritis was so bad I had to walk her in a sling sometimes. At 13.5 years old on Cosequin, she runs! She has not needed Tramadol once since we started the Cosequin a couple of years ago.
Wow, that is so great! My Shadow is 8 1/2 yrs. old, and he is not really what you would call a "mover". He's a lazy boy ;) -- I am hoping this will help him feel more energetic again. Thanks!


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