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hugz4all4 03-20-2009 05:33 AM
2. They get diarrhea if they don't have kibble at least once a day. Or at least meat+rice/potatoes. They need carbs. They don't do well on grain free, even kibble

My dogs didnt do well on a grain free diet either, they need the carbs too. Thats why I have a tendency not to beleive that our domesticated little dogs have the same digestive systems has a 50 pound wolf.

tumismom 03-20-2009 05:44 AM
My girls are on Primal premade raw and also homecook diet. They are doing excellent on it. They used to be on Primal raw 100% but i wanted to give them variety so they have homecook food also. But i got their homecook food receipe to be formulated by a nutrionist so it is well balanced.

LuvMySissy 03-20-2009 05:51 AM
My girls are on the dehydrated freeze-dried raw by The Honest Kitchen. FDA approved plants, 100% hormone free meats with lots of organics as well.

We use on the Embark (turkey formula) for breakfast and then dinner is the Preference (veggies and fruits only) mixed with cooked salmon and talapia. This is the diet prescribed for Sissy's digestive disorder from the pet nutritionist. When we add the fish, she gets less than 1 oz of fish, so it is low in protein, low in fat and yet contains healthy veggies and fruits, but still no grains.

The girls are doing wonderfully well on it, have great looking teeth and coats amd it is not time consuming or messy to feed. We event travel with it (and then used tuna or salmon in water - the foil packets). With the freeze-dried dehyrated raw, any chance of e-coli or salmonella is eradicated as well. It is definitely more expensive, but not a ton more.

My girls will not eat any other raw, including the medallions or grind. When I have tried, Sissy turns her nose up and Angel then proceeds to choke for hours (I'm presuming on the bone fragments).

Nancy1999 03-20-2009 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvMySissy (Post 2531581)
My girls are on the dehydrated freeze-dried raw by The Honest Kitchen. FDA approved plants, 100% hormone free meats with lots of organics as well.

We use on the Embark (turkey formula) for breakfast and then dinner is the Preference (veggies and fruits only) mixed with cooked salmon and talapia. This is the diet prescribed for Sissy's digestive disorder from the pet nutritionist. When we add the fish, she gets less than 1 oz of fish, so it is low in protein, low in fat and yet contains healthy veggies and fruits, but still no grains.

The girls are doing wonderfully well on it, have great looking teeth and coats amd it is not time consuming or messy to feed. We event travel with it (and then used tuna or salmon in water - the foil packets). With the freeze-dried dehyrated raw, any chance of e-coli or salmonella is eradicated as well. It is definitely more expensive, but not a ton more.

My girls will not eat any other raw, including the medallions or grind. When I have tried, Sissy turns her nose up and Angel then proceeds to choke for hours (I'm presuming on the bone fragments).
I didn't think freezing effected e-coli or salmonella, I know they can't grow under freezing conditions, but they aren't destroyed either.


When you say Sissy turns her nose up at other raw because of the bone fragments, I thought bone fragments were a very important part of the nutrition in raw, does this mean that the freeze dried raw has no fragments, or do you mean that they are ground up tinier?

Wylie's Mom 03-20-2009 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by wemple2 (Post 2531137)
I just have to say no thanks...no amount of explaining will convince me that this is a safe and healthy thing to do for my dog.
And that's your prerogative and I respect it.

But ya know, that's exactly how many raw-feeders and homecookers feel about kibble. Personally, I don't quite feel that cut-and-dried about it - I think there are good kibbles out there, dogs can thrive on it, and I support those who choose to feed kibble.

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I just wish that no matter what diet people choose here, whether kibble/cooking/raw, that others would try to be supportive instead of seeming to imply that what so-and-so is feeding is unsafe and unhealthy. I understand the intent of this thread, and folks are sharing their opinions - but geesh, imagine if someone started a thread called "Why Do you NOT Feed Kibble" - imagine how that thread would go and the kibble-feeders' reactions :rolleyes:!

Just because raw-feeders may be in the minority here, it doesn't mean their chosen diet is wrong, or right - for that matter. But the same really goes for all diets, at this point in canine nutrition. So I guess all we can do is make choices that feel the best for our own dogs and be respectful of others' choices for their dogs. :)

LuvMySissy 03-20-2009 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2531721)
I didn't think freezing effected e-coli or salmonella, I know they can't grow under freezing conditions, but they aren't destroyed either.


When you say Sissy turns her nose up at other raw because of the bone fragments, I thought bone fragments were a very important part of the nutrition in raw, does this mean that the freeze dried raw has no fragments, or do you mean that they are ground up tinier?
It isn't freezing that affects this, it is freeze drying process which is different.

Sissy turns her nose up at all other raw - won't touch it at all. Angel chokes on the bone fragments. The Honest Kitchen products do not contain bones at all - nor organ meats, but then neither does kibble.

Nancy1999 03-20-2009 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvMySissy (Post 2531872)
It isn't freezing that affects this, it is freeze drying process which is different.

Sissy turns her nose up at all other raw - won't touch it at all. Angel chokes on the bone fragments. The Honest Kitchen products do not contain bones at all - nor organ meats, but then neither does kibble.
Oh, thank you I didn't know about the freeze dry process doing that, but that makes sense. I wonder if it could affect important enzymes though, as I believe that they are bacteria as well, you know good bacteria?

I thought if a dog wasn't eating bones, calcium had to be substituted in fairly large quantities, I know they do this with kibble, and those that are home cooking also recommend adding high calcium supplements.

phfgkl 03-20-2009 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2531817)
And that's your prerogative and I respect it.

But ya know, that's exactly how many raw-feeders and homecookers feel about kibble. Personally, I don't quite feel that cut-and-dried about it - I think there are good kibbles out there, dogs can thrive on it, and I support those who choose to feed kibble.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I just wish that no matter what diet people choose here, whether kibble/cooking/raw, that others would try to be supportive instead of seeming to imply that what so-and-so is feeding is unsafe and unhealthy. I understand the intent of this thread, and folks are sharing their opinions - but geesh, imagine if someone started a thread called "Why Do you NOT Feed Kibble" - imagine how that thread would go and the kibble-feeders' reactions :rolleyes:!

Just because raw-feeders may be in the minority here, it doesn't mean their chosen diet is wrong, or right - for that matter. But the same really goes for all diets, at this point in canine nutrition. So I guess all we can do is make choices that feel the best for our own dogs and be respectful of others' choices for their dogs. :)
This comment shouldn't just be between raw/kibble, but, kinds of kibble, if you feed something that is a 2 or 3 star, you get jumped all over. Everyone should be able to say what they feed without everyone jumping down thier back

chachi 03-20-2009 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2531916)
This comment shouldn't just be between raw/kibble, but, kinds of kibble, if you feed something that is a 2 or 3 star, you get jumped all over. Everyone should be able to say what they feed without everyone jumping down thier back
I agree!

Wylie's Mom 03-20-2009 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2531916)
This comment shouldn't just be between raw/kibble, but, kinds of kibble, if you feed something that is a 2 or 3 star, you get jumped all over. Everyone should be able to say what they feed without everyone jumping down thier back
Well yeah, I thought that was my point. I said "the same goes for ALL diets". I didn't imply in my post that one grade of diet was any better than another. :confused:

phfgkl 03-20-2009 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2531927)
Well yeah, I thought that was my point. I said "the same goes for ALL diets". I didn't imply in my post that one grade of diet was any better than another. :confused:
:D I know that, but instead of me having to type everything, your statement was the closest I could use. If you look at other posts, if someone feeds purina or eukanuba, they get jumped all over. The thing is if you can find a food that your dog(s) like and they seem to be healthy, not scratching, healthy hair, I don't care if it is a 1 star food, leave them on it!

mkbartz 03-20-2009 09:38 AM
Don't do it
 
Talk about perfect TIMING! I was talking to my breeder and vet about this just a few minutes ago. The vet said DO NOT USE IT but it came highly recommended from somebody my breeder trusted and so she gave her dogs 1/2 TEASPOON! 2 of the dogs caught salmonella and had to be RUSHED TO THE VET!!! had Diarrhea so badly that he was POOPING OUT HIS INTESTINES and the other one couldn't even lift her head she was so weak. THIS WAS AFTER ONLY 1/2 TEASPOON!!!

I know a friend that has her bigger dog on it, but I worry about putting yorkies on it. If they get salmonella it can be fatal SO QUICKLY!

Wylie's Mom 03-20-2009 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2531962)
:D I know that, but instead of me having to type everything, your statement was the closest I could use. If you look at other posts, if someone feeds purina or eukanuba, they get jumped all over. The thing is if you can find a food that your dog(s) like and they seem to be healthy, not scratching, healthy hair, I don't care if it is a 1 star food, leave them on it!
Oh, okay! I gotcha! :D

I know exactly what you mean and I too don't like it when someone gets jumped on. I mean, I'm not against a little education and I do like some premium ingredients for various reasons or dislike certain things for various reasons (i.e., Nutro, yikes!). But, at the end of the day - you really do just have to assess how your dog is doing - and that result is only up to that dog's owner. :)

Wylie's Mom 03-20-2009 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mkbartz (Post 2531966)
Talk about perfect TIMING! I was talking to my breeder and vet about this just a few minutes ago. The vet said DO NOT USE IT but it came highly recommended from somebody my breeder trusted and so she gave her dogs 1/2 TEASPOON! 2 of the dogs caught salmonella and had to be RUSHED TO THE VET!!! had Diarrhea so badly that he was POOPING OUT HIS INTESTINES and the other one couldn't even lift her head she was so weak. THIS WAS AFTER ONLY 1/2 TEASPOON!!!

I know a friend that has her bigger dog on it, but I worry about putting yorkies on it. If they get salmonella it can be fatal SO QUICKLY!
Even though I said it earlier - just fyi, there is salmonella in pretty much all bags of kibble.

Salmonella will make a dog sick only if they are immune compromised.

Nancy1999 03-20-2009 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2531983)
Even though I said it earlier - just fyi, there is salmonella in pretty much all bags of kibble.

Salmonella will make a dog sick only if they are immune compromised.
If this is true, why are their recalls for bags that contain salmonella? I mean I think it's important for consumers to be aware of the possibility and always wash their hands after handling dog food, but where did you get the information that it is in all dog food?


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