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RomeoandBella 02-20-2009 06:43 PM
Have you chosen not to Spay?
 
Has anyone chosen not to spay? If so why?
I know all the benefits of spaying but what are the benefits of not?
I saw this article referenced in another thread and thought is was informative and plan to show it to my vet. http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

But I would like to hear from some who have chosen, for any reason, to not spay. Obviously I am on the fence about spaying one of my babies.

Any insight would be welcome.

Thanks,

Romeo and Bella's Mom :aimeeyork

MaddiesMommie 02-20-2009 06:52 PM
Hi...I just recently posted a similar question. I too have heard benefits for both. Although no scientific benefits fot not spaying. I have learned from reply's to my post spaying reduces the risk of cancer as well as other bad things. I have about decided to have my baby spayed but will have to find another vet. The vet I normally use keeps them overnight the night prior to surgery and sends no pain meds:( Let me know what you decide and if you find any new info.
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RomeoandBella 02-20-2009 07:24 PM
The article I referenced in my original post is probably something you would like to read. It's the benefits and risk associated with Spaying and Neuturing. The medical percentages, etc. Vets do tell us the benefits but usually they don't tell us the risk. This paper does that. It was written by an Associate Professor and Chair of Animal Sciences at Rutgers University.
I would like to hear what and why people have decided for themselves.

What was the name of your thread? I can go read that one.

Thanks for your input. Any and all is appreciated.

Romeo and Bella's Mom :aimeeyork

Ellie May 02-20-2009 07:31 PM
This is a good read about risks and benefits:
American College of Theriogenologists

The risks are something that I think aren't talked about enough. Anesthesia problems isn't the only complication. I went through this with Ellie but finally decided to go ahead and spay. For the females, I personally feel it is best. Healthwise for the males, I'm between it isn't worth it or I'm undecided. However, because of marking and chasing females, I would most likely neuter also.

Dara311 02-20-2009 07:31 PM
I am a firm believer in spaying and neutering dogs.....

I hope I don't come off harsh, but we have so many homeless animals, and animals not treated right, what is the point of breeding non expected animals?

I have seen effects of dogs in their later yrs where their uterus was so infected, that they had to be spayed, its called polymetria- its not a pretty site.

spaying does reduce the risk of cancer in the mammory glands

MaddiesMommie 02-20-2009 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RomeoandBella (Post 2480225)
The article I referenced in my original post is probably something you would like to read. It's the benefits and risk associated with Spaying and Neuturing. The medical percentages, etc. Vets do tell us the benefits but usually they don't tell us the risk. This paper does that. It was written by an Associate Professor and Chair of Animal Sciences at Rutgers University.

I would like to hear what and why people have decided for themselves.

What was the name of your thread? I can go read that one.

Thanks for your input. Any and all is appreciated.

Romeo and Bella's Mom :aimeeyork
My thread was 'To spay or not to spay'...creative huh?;)

MaddiesMommie 02-20-2009 08:26 PM
[quote=RomeoandBella;2480167]Has anyone chosen not to spay? If so why?
I know all the benefits of spaying but what are the benefits of not?
I saw this article referenced in another thread and thought is was informative and plan to show it to my vet. http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

But I would like to hear from some who have chosen, for any reason, to not spay. Obviously I am on the fence about spaying one of my babies.

Any insight would be welcome.

Thanks,

Thanks so much for posting this article...it was very interesting. I don't think people know there are as many risks with spaying as there are. I like being able to make an infomed decision...Not that it is any easier:rolleyes:
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jamescandy 02-21-2009 06:12 AM
I am on the fence about this topic as well. I would like for my children to experience the process of our dog having puppy's, because I can remember from my childhood my dog having puppy's as clear as if it were yesterday. However I do not want to take that risk with our family pet and I do not want the added risk of cancers due to not spaying.

yana 03-08-2009 02:50 AM
i am confused by the lack of evidence that throughout domesticated dog history they developed cancer, specifically such specialized cancers, due to lack of spaying/neutering. I think as with humans, diet plays a MAJOR role in development of cancer. I am also inclined to think it is another facet of a highly profitable medical industry. similar to the connection between healthier diets (raw, homemade cooked, etc.) and diminished vet visits and medical/health problems, and the curious peddling of dog foods by vets.

Ashley V 03-08-2009 05:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RomeoandBella (Post 2480167)
Has anyone chosen not to spay? If so why?
I know all the benefits of spaying but what are the benefits of not?
I saw this article referenced in another thread and thought is was informative and plan to show it to my vet. http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

But I would like to hear from some who have chosen, for any reason, to not spay. Obviously I am on the fence about spaying one of my babies.

Any insight would be welcome.

Thanks,

Romeo and Bella's Mom :aimeeyork
Yes there are a lot of risks involved with any surgery, no matter if you dog, cat, human, ape, or ogre. There are a lot of risks in taking medicine too, but truthfully, the risks are pretty rare occurances. Millions of dogs and cats are spayed and neutered everyday and live long, healthy lives. IMO, I would spay your dog to avoid the risk of pregnancy. God forbid, what if she were to get loose, then gets pregnant by a larger male? She could die very easily from an unwanted pregnancy. My advice, if you have a good, honest, trustworthy vet, then trust them. If they feel that your baby shouldn't or can't go through the surgery, they will tell you!

IMO, the article was a little one sided. I know the purpose was to tell you about the risks involved, but I almost felt like the writer was trying to sway the reader's opinion to not spay/neuter.

I still strongly believe that unless medically necessary or a person is planning to breed, then they should spay/neuter. There are so many babies in shelters being put to death every day because someone didn't spay or neuter their animal.

phfgkl 03-08-2009 06:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddiesMommie (Post 2480178)
Hi...I just recently posted a similar question. I too have heard benefits for both. Although no scientific benefits fot not spaying. I have learned from reply's to my post spaying reduces the risk of cancer as well as other bad things. I have about decided to have my baby spayed but will have to find another vet. The vet I normally use keeps them overnight the night prior to surgery and sends no pain meds:( Let me know what you decide and if you find any new info.
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I have never had pain meds for any of my dogs after spaying. My vet has always kept them overnight the night that they've had the surgery. Sometimes pain meds are bad, as they may pull at stitches and it not hurt them because they don't feel it when they're on pain meds. I've had surgeries too, and although I've had the pain meds, most of the time I don't even take them myself.
To the OP, I have always been 100% on having dogs spayed/neutered. There is also pyometra they can get(not sure if I spelled that right) that can end up killing them if they're not spayed. The only reason I wouldn't spay is if I was going to breed. I have a little one right now, I have always had my dogs spayed by 6 mos at the latest, but, this one is 9 mos today and still not spayed, but, it's only because of her size. I was hoping she would get to 3 lbs. but, that doesn't look like that's going to happen, so, have decided to wait until she's a year old, then take her in and pray for the best

HallTx1203 03-08-2009 06:32 AM
We have always spayed/neutered our petsbefore 6 months....We have held off on spaying Belle to see what happens with her teeth...(vets suggestion)....I tell you what...When she came into heat...It like to have drove all of us nuts..

But we were always told it was for the better health of the pet...

Now on the other hand, my daughter, has a little girl that just finally hit 2.5 lbs and is a year old....Vet tried to talk her into spaying and she is adamant no way(due to her size)...

So I can really see both sides....I think it makes for a Great "friendly" debate...

Joyce

Ladymom 03-08-2009 07:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescandy (Post 2480586)
I am on the fence about this topic as well. I would like for my children to experience the process of our dog having puppy's, because I can remember from my childhood my dog having puppy's as clear as if it were yesterday. However I do not want to take that risk with our family pet and I do not want the added risk of cancers due to not spaying.
That is one of the very worst reasons for not spaying. :thumbdown

This is from the US Humane Society:

MYTH: My children should experience the miracle of birth.

FACT: Even if children are able to see a pet give birth—which is unlikely, since it usually occurs at night and in seclusion—the lesson they will really learn is that animals can be created and discarded as it suits adults. Instead, it should be explained to children that the real miracle is life and that preventing the birth of some pets can save the lives of others.

Myths and Facts About Spaying and Neutering | The Humane Society of the United States

And from the ASPCA:

9. Your pet doesn't need to have a litter for your children to witness the miracle of birth.
We've heard this one a lot. But you know what? Letting your pet produce offspring you have no intention of keeping teaches your children irresponsibility. Anyone who has seen an animal euthanized in a shelter for lack of a home knows the truth behind this dangerous myth. There are countless books and videos available to teach your children about birth in a responsible manner.

Top 10 Reasons to Spay or Neuter Your Pet

Britster 03-08-2009 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescandy (Post 2480586)
I am on the fence about this topic as well. I would like for my children to experience the process of our dog having puppy's, because I can remember from my childhood my dog having puppy's as clear as if it were yesterday. However I do not want to take that risk with our family pet and I do not want the added risk of cancers due to not spaying.
You shouldn't just have puppies for the sake of your kids seeing it. There is so many unwanted dogs and dogs killed every year (4 million cats and dogs euthanized every year) Why add to the growing problem?

phfgkl 03-08-2009 07:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HallTx1203 (Post 2508246)
We have always spayed/neutered our petsbefore 6 months....We have held off on spaying Belle to see what happens with her teeth...(vets suggestion)....I tell you what...When she came into heat...It like to have drove all of us nuts..

But we were always told it was for the better health of the pet...

Now on the other hand, my daughter, has a little girl that just finally hit 2.5 lbs and is a year old....Vet tried to talk her into spaying and she is adamant no way(due to her size)...

So I can really see both sides....I think it makes for a Great "friendly" debate...

Joyce
Joyce, I will let you know how my little girl does when I get her spayed. I don't think she'll ever hit the 2 1/2 lb mark, but, I'm going ahead with the spaying, teeth pulling(she has to have that done one way or another though and they have to be put under for that). It is scarey, but, I think the pros to having it done weigh out the con(the weight issue). I always try and look at things as when ever anything happens there is a reason for it, and I know my little one will be watched over when she has her surgery


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