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pookiebear 10-27-2008 04:13 PM
Home Cooking...who does it?
 
My little Bella has become such a little Diva dog since her surgery a week ago today. Nothing is good enough for her. I am forced to home cook for her. She did eat a bit of NV raw tonight, but that was unusual; and every now and then she with eat a few kibbles.

I've got 20 pounds of chicken, bone meal, cooked rice, green beans, peas, and carrots to put together. Unless someone here has some other ideas.

Additionally, I don't have a clue as to how much bone meal to put in the mixture. I don't know how many pounds of chicken I will have after I de-bone it. HELP NEEDED. Who does this, and how to you do it?

marcerella02 10-27-2008 04:19 PM
try fish :) Layla LOVES salmon but can only have it occasionally because of her pancrease but it's SO great for them! Also yogurt is great- i mix it with Baby food fruit at night for a snack :) She will need more than one protein source so try the fish or turkey breast

Steamed broccoli is great, canned pure pumpkin, sweet potatoes, white potatoes, brown rice, whole wheat pasta, scrambled or boiled egg, cottage cheese, oh the possibilities are endless :)

pookiebear 10-27-2008 05:47 PM
Marci, all that different stuff won't upset her tummy? I've got a bunch of meat baby food, and plain yogurt.

marcerella02 10-27-2008 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pookiebear (Post 2301503)
Marci, all that different stuff won't upset her tummy? I've got a bunch of meat baby food, and plain yogurt.
no it shouldn't. There is nothing there that would bother her i don't think. I mean dont' give it to her all at once :p But maybe every other week give her a different protein- you'll notice right away if it bothers her- but there is no reason that fish should bother her and turkey is basiclaly the same as chicken... the veggies will be fine- the egg.. should be good too... no i can't see anything upsetting her. I am not a fan of meat baby food- but that's just me.. i stick to the fruit with the yogurt.... or even low fat cottage cheese.

which food in particular did you think would bother her?

she needs the variety- it's where nutrients come from and she might just get sick of the same thing month in month out.

Ellie May 10-27-2008 06:14 PM
I'm not sure about the ratio of bone meal but I would suggest not doing any supplementing until you are sure that the amount you are using are correct. Homecooking also shouldn't be done long-term without supplementing, so I would talk to a nutritionist as soon as possible.

Supplementing is very complicated and if you use one thing, you may need to use another.

Ellie's food ratio is:
1 ounce cooked meat (usually lean boneless skinless chicken breast or cooked turkey breast with no skin or fat).
88 grams carbs (rice, sweet potato, barley...).
60 grams mixed veggies (I cook them).
1 tsp. olive or canola oil.

This is 24% protein and 18% fat.

pookiebear 10-27-2008 07:19 PM
which food in particular did you think would bother her?

I don't know. I'm so confused. I just wish she would eat the raw food like I want her too. I guess she got tired of eating that every day. I'll figure something out.

Ladymom 10-27-2008 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2301538)
I'm not sure about the ratio of bone meal but I would suggest not doing any supplementing until you are sure that the amount you are using are correct. Homecooking also shouldn't be done long-term without supplementing, so I would talk to a nutritionist as soon as possible.

Supplementing is very complicated and if you use one thing, you may need to use another.

Ellie's food ratio is:
1 ounce cooked meat (usually lean boneless skinless chicken breast or cooked turkey breast with no skin or fat).
88 grams carbs (rice, sweet potato, barley...).
60 grams mixed veggies (I cook them).
1 tsp. olive or canola oil.

This is 24% protein and 18% fat.
I agree. You have to follow a specific recipe and add certain supplements to make sure the diet is nutritionally balanced. Dogs have a much higher calcium requirement then we do. A small dog needs about as much calcium per day as an adult woman. It is especially important to feed the correct calcium/phosphorus ratio or dogs can get rickets, have heart irregularities and neurological problems.

Calcium & Phosphorous in Dogs* - Chinaroad Lowchens of Australia -

marcerella02 10-28-2008 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pookiebear (Post 2301661)
which food in particular did you think would bother her?

I don't know. I'm so confused. I just wish she would eat the raw food like I want her too. I guess she got tired of eating that every day. I'll figure something out.
BIG HUG- it can be VERY overwhelming at first- but do like you are doing and find a multivitamin and the cal/phos and do that for a bit- when you run out of chicken- just try a different meat- same with the veggies. If she is hungry mid day- scramble up an egg with some yogurt- you dont' have to do it all at once :)

Ellie May 10-28-2008 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2301989)
BIG HUG- it can be VERY overwhelming at first- but do like you are doing and find a multivitamin and the cal/phos and do that for a bit- when you run out of chicken- just try a different meat- same with the veggies. If she is hungry mid day- scramble up an egg with some yogurt- you dont' have to do it all at once :)
Marci, how do you know how much calcium to give to balance the cal/phos ratio and how do you know how much multi vitamin to give? I HATE trying to figure out supplementation.:( Even some nutritionists use computer problems for it.:rolleyes:

Pookiebear, you can probably homecook for maybe a couple weeks without supplementing but I would try to do it as soon as possible.

Ladymom 10-28-2008 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2302018)
Marci, how do you know how much calcium to give to balance the cal/phos ratio and how do you know how much multi vitamin to give? I HATE trying to figure out supplementation.:( Even some nutritionists use computer problems for it.:rolleyes:

Pookiebear, you can probably homecook for maybe a couple weeks without supplementing but I would try to do it as soon as possible.
Crystal, Dr. Dodd's recommends giving an infant multivitamin drop with the dosage according to weight.

That's the easy part.

The tricky part is the calcium/phosphorus ratio. I think you either have to follow a recipe that specifies which supplements to add or consult a nutritionist.

I have diet for liver compromised dogs (Lady has liver damage from years of seizure medications). I follow it to a "T"! :D

1 cup raw rice
1 cup low fat cottage cheese
1 egg
1 cup diced poultry
1 T canola oil
1 tsp bone meal
1 tsp salt substitute

This diet contains 19 grams of protein.

Ellie May 10-28-2008 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2302090)
Crystal, Dr. Dodd's recommends giving an infant multivitamin drop with the dosage according to weight.

That's the easy part.

The tricky part is the calcium/phosphorus ratio. I think you either have to follow a recipe that specifies which supplements to add or consult a nutritionist.

I have diet for liver compromised dogs (Lady has liver damage from years of seizure medications). I follow it to a "T"! :D

1 cup raw rice
1 cup low fat cottage cheese
1 egg
1 cup diced poultry
1 T canola oil
1 tsp bone meal
1 tsp salt substitute

This diet contains 19 grams of protein.

This is what confuses me...all these recipes that say give one multi vit a day or so much per pound. Supplements (if we are following AAFCO) are supposed to be given in proportion to the amount of food given. It really doesn't have anything to do with the weight of the dog. I only follow AAFCO because that is the best that we have right now. So I just leave the whole supplementation thing alone and tell people to get a nutritionist.:)

That isn't to say that it can't be done per pound of dog but with processed dog food, it is done by the weight of the food or something like that...

Ladymom 10-28-2008 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2302103)
This is what confuses me...all these recipes that say give one multi vit a day or so much per pound. Supplements (if we are following AAFCO) are supposed to be given in proportion to the amount of food given. It really doesn't have anything to do with the weight of the dog. I only follow AAFCO because that is the best that we have right now. So I just leave the whole supplementation thing alone and tell people to get a nutritionist.:)

That isn't to say that it can't be done per pound of dog but with processed dog food, it is done by the weight of the food or something like that...
If I understand it correctly (and that's a big "if" :D), supplements are given by the pound. It's just the multivitamin that is given by weight.

This is the calcium requirement per pound of food, for instance:

"A young animal's prepared food should contain about 1500 mg of calcium per pound of food, and about half that much for a mature animal. A pound of moist food is a pint, so a cup is a half-pound. Considering nutrient content per weight of food is appropriate, since it makes allowances for both the weight and the metabolic rate of the animal."

Supplements for Home Cooked Diets - Canine Epilepsy Guardian Angels

I would never be brave enough to figure it out myself so I just follow a prepared diet. The supplements are included in the recipe and it just states to give a multivitamin daily.

ARCHIE 10-28-2008 07:14 AM
I cook 1 family sized pkg of boneless chicken breasts and freeze.
It lasts me for two weeks. I also cook frozen green beans and peas
& carrots, alternating nightly. I add the chicken to his kibble in the am
and chicken and veggies and kibble in the pm.

marcerella02 10-28-2008 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2302018)
Marci, how do you know how much calcium to give to balance the cal/phos ratio and how do you know how much multi vitamin to give? I HATE trying to figure out supplementation.:( Even some nutritionists use computer problems for it.:rolleyes:

Pookiebear, you can probably homecook for maybe a couple weeks without supplementing but I would try to do it as soon as possible.
oh i have NO idea about the cal/phos. I'm now doing what Layla's nutritionist has suggested but it doesn't apply to all dogs so i can't even help with that. I realize now just how much it helps to tlak to a nutritionist.

Wylie's Mom 10-28-2008 08:52 AM
Oh yes, the CAL/PHOS - very complicated, VERY important :).

One thing to really remember too is that every bone meal supplement has a different dosage amount. So, 1 tsp. could contain 1500mg or 500mg, depending on the brand. So, it's important to know which brand folks are using, how many milligrams, etcetera.


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