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bellasmomok 10-29-2008 05:36 AM
I also want to add, this sticky at the top of the Sick/Injured Emergencies forum: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...-your-kit.html , says that you should have Pepto Bismol in your "doggy first aid kit". While this is probably a good thing to have on hand if you own a larger dog, I was told to NEVER give small dogs Pepto. (I have no idea why now, but the NEVER stuck with me....) I would say Yorkies qualify as small dogs, so I'm wondering if the first post can be changed by the adminstrator?? I would hate something to happen to a dog because someone read that, made their first aid kit, then gave it to their Yorkie before they were able to get to a vet, and something bad happened!!

majesticyorkies 10-29-2008 05:45 AM
baby asprin is ok for toy breeds, I have always used it, but you must be careful of the amount givin, I think that is what the vets are trying to say, my Dads lab takes one reg asprin a day vet says it helps his ackes and pains he is 10 yrs old but he wieghs 100lbs, toy breeds like yorkies should only be given baby asprin, because of there size, too much can kill them good post by the way, blessings:thumbup:

Ladymom 10-29-2008 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by majesticyorkies (Post 2303950)
baby asprin is ok for toy breeds, I have always used it, but you must be careful of the amount givin, I think that is what the vets are trying to say, my Dads lab takes one reg asprin a day vet says it helps his ackes and pains he is 10 yrs old but he wieghs 100lbs, toy breeds like yorkies should only be given baby asprin, because of there size, too much can kill them good post by the way, blessings:thumbup:
Exactly! The dosage for a dog under ten pounds is only 1/2 a baby aspirin. If you've got a tiny one, 1/4 would be appropriate.

Remember, though, aspirin is toxic to cats!

Wylie's Mom 10-29-2008 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bellasmomok (Post 2303936)
I also want to add, this sticky at the top of the Sick/Injured Emergencies forum: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...-your-kit.html , says that you should have Pepto Bismol in your "doggy first aid kit". While this is probably a good thing to have on hand if you own a larger dog, I was told to NEVER give small dogs Pepto.
Pepto can be given to yorkies and small dogs :). My vet (and my other past vets) recommend it -- as have several members' vets on here. It's just fine :). You want to make sure you give correct dosage, and not give it if you've also given aspirin -- but Pepto is a good one both for upset tummies and diarrhea. :)

majesticyorkies 10-29-2008 06:56 AM
Thank you for put up a sticky on this, my vet has always told me to use pepto and I always have, never had a problem, with either asprin or pepto, so thank you so very much, I do think everyone should know these things, Blessings :):thumbup:

bellasmomok 10-29-2008 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2304025)
Pepto can be given to yorkies and small dogs :). My vet (and my other past vets) recommend it -- as have several members' vets on here. It's just fine :). You want to make sure you give correct dosage, and not give it if you've also given aspirin -- but Pepto is a good one both for upset tummies and diarrhea. :)
This is what I found online: The Use of Bismuth Subsalicylate (Pepto Bismol) in Pets

And also: "Pepto should not be given to dogs/cats, it contains salicylate which can cause or exacerbate renal problems."
"Salicylate is an aspirin derivative and has anti-inflammatory properties (NSAID), extended use can be toxic to dogs, especially if not given in the proper dosages, and are particularly contraindicated in dogs with liver and renal issues."

I think the aspirin content in Pepto is also why it's toxic to cats...

Bothe of those seem to only say it shouldn't be used in dogs with kidney or liver problems and you shouldn't give too much. Maybe that's what my vet read that made him advise me that way....I'd have to ask him to be sure??

Still, looks like maybe it is ok for healthy dogs!! Good to know!

What about Immodium? I have heard of people using it for diarrhea in dogs, but I have never been told if it was safe to use or not (if you use the proper dosage of course??)

Ladymom 10-29-2008 07:29 AM
My vets have always said to give a little Pepto to Lady for an upset tummy. Immodium is also safe for dogs.

I think common sense applies. Always make sure you give the proper dosage and don't abuse it. If the symptoms don't go away in 24-48 hours, you need to see your vet.

Here are the proper dosages for many OTC medications:

OTC Medications

Wylie's Mom 10-29-2008 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bellasmomok (Post 2304043)
"Pepto should not be given to dogs/cats, it contains salicylate which can cause or exacerbate renal problems."
"Salicylate is an aspirin derivative and has anti-inflammatory properties (NSAID), extended use can be toxic to dogs, especially if not given in the proper dosages, and are particularly contraindicated in dogs with liver and renal issues."

Both of those seem to only say it shouldn't be used in dogs with kidney or liver problems and you shouldn't give too much.
Your conclusion is a good one :). What those quotes are saying is 1) Don't give for an extended period (true of ALL OTCs really) and 2) Don't give if your dog already has known liver/renal disease (again, if your pet has chronic disease - you need to customize your home First Aid kit/dosages) and 3) Give proper dosages (applies to everything).

Salicylate is not toxic, across the board, as the first quote seems to imply.

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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2304083)
My vets have always said to give a little Pepto to Lady for an upset tummy. Immodium is also safe for dogs.

I think common sense applies. Always make sure you give the proper dosage and don't abuse it. If the symptoms don't go away in 24-48 hours, you need to see your vet.

Here are the proper dosages for many OTC medications:

OTC Medications
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bellasmomok 10-29-2008 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2304083)
Here are the proper dosages for many OTC medications:

OTC Medications
This website is an AMAZING resource!! I sure wish they had dosages for tiny tots, though (and also the amount for a chewable or a liquid....they only list dosages for one form). :( I guess I'll still have to call to get the dosage for a <5 lb. dog.....but at least I have something to go on if I ever need it!

When I was looking for an OTC children's antacid the other day, I noticed they sell children's Pepto.....I bet that would be easier to use (dosage-wise) for dogs!

I'm really glad to know that Pepto is okay, and Immodium too. Sometimes things happen at a really unfortunate hour, so it's good to know things you can do before you can get to a vet.

Wylie's Mom 10-29-2008 08:10 AM
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This website is an AMAZING resource!! I sure wish they had dosages for tiny tots, though (and also the amount for a chewable or a liquid....they only list dosages for one form). :( I guess I'll still have to call to get the dosage for a <5 lb. dog.....but at least I have something to go on if I ever need it!
There have been cases of chewable Pepto causing problems in dogs, so I always give liquid.

I'm attaching a guide for you too - I have this posted in my house and I always carry a purse size in my....well...purse :p.

bellasmomok 10-29-2008 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2304192)
There have been cases of chewable Pepto causing problems in dogs, so I always give liquid.

I'm attaching a guide for you too - I have this posted in my house and I always carry a purse size in my....well...purse :p.
Good to know....I always try to give chewable because Bella takes them much easier that way (I think she thinks they are a treat!), but I'll definitely give liquid!!

Thank you sooo much! Awesome!

Wylie's Mom 10-29-2008 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bellasmomok (Post 2304214)
Good to know....I always try to give chewable because Bella takes them much easier that way (I think she thinks they are a treat!), but I'll definitely give liquid!!

Thank you sooo much! Awesome!
You're welcome :D! If they truly "chew" the tablet very thoroughly, it should be okay. If swallowed whole, there can be problems - probably bc of a dog's different digestive enzymes in the tummy (won't dissolve) - here is the case I was talking about, I finally found it for you :p: Pepto Tablet in Dog

bellasmomok 10-29-2008 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2304237)
You're welcome :D! If they truly "chew" the tablet very thoroughly, it should be okay. If swallowed whole, there can be problems - probably bc of a dog's different digestive enzymes in the tummy (won't dissolve) - here is the case I was talking about, I finally found it for you :p: Pepto Tablet in Dog
OMG! I wonder what the cause the dog's initial vomiting?? Must not have been anything too bad...

Bella chews up the ones I've given her....seriousy, I think she believes they are treats!! But, I'm glad I know that I need to WATCH her chew them now! If she every stops chewing, I'll have to throw out the chewables I already have and get the liquid. Thanks again!

roxies_mom 10-30-2008 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2290690)
I'm shocked that the aspirin is listed, and especially in that order. I think it down plays how very dangerous Tylenol and Ibuprofen are to dogs, and they can cause serious liver damage, and should never be given to a dog under any dosage amount.
That costume is adorable!!! Where in the world did you find that?

roxies_mom 10-30-2008 06:13 AM
If some people are worried about giving pepto, I've heard several say on here that a small amount of canned unspiced pumpkin is effective?!

Nancy1999 10-30-2008 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by roxies_mom (Post 2305802)
That costume is adorable!!! Where in the world did you find that?
Thank you! I made it out of a store bought spider, velcroed to a black hoodie with some stockings made from my good black panty hose. :eek:

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Originally Posted by roxies_mom (Post 2305805)
If some people are worried about giving pepto, I've heard several say on here that a small amount of canned unspiced pumpkin is effective?!
Pepto is used for treating diarrhea, and settling the stomach, pumpkin is used for treating constipation.


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