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laurenr 04-26-2008 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1945573)
The Evangers food is safe. It's a paperwork issue. I have heard from multiple people who have contacted them directly and there is no danger with the food. If you read the FDA press release carefully, that is all it says, that they need to obtain a certain permit. They probably do this kind of thing all the time but everyone is on edge with the food recalls AND because of Rachael Ray, everyone knows the name Evangers now. The food isn't being recalled.

My dogs have vomited up Evangers before because I was an idiot and fed them 100% chicken when they are used to chicken+veggies or kibble. After I started feeding formulas that were pasta/veggie/rice/chicken, they were fine. Every dog is different. If you are concerned please contact the company directly and I'm sure they will be happy to explain it. Lauren I'm sure Mango is just fine!! :animal-pa
When Mango's vomiting first started, she was on the Evanger's ALS kibble, that I used to mix with a teaspoon of their canned chicken (fussy eater). She never had the latter by itself. After one week of symptoms, many visits to the Vet, I switched her to NV Raw. However, after a consultation with Susan Davis, I put her on a home-cooked diet.

I appreciate what you said about this being a paperwork/permit issue. They have always been a highly reputable company, and I would be truly upset if they were one of "those" producing tainted food. That being said, do you think I should have the canned food tested?? I still have one unopened can - or do you think this would be overkill?

Thanks for the reassuring info!:thumbup:
Lauren

BabyFidgette 04-26-2008 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 1945554)
This is about Evanger's, not Artemis. So far, Artemis is not on any recall list.

Sheila
I used to feed Baby Artemis dry. Then all of a sudden she'd throw it up! :eek: I chalked it up to being stale since I bought a HUGE bag. I stopped giving that to her and got Innova dry, and she's done well on that (I free feed). But in the evening is when she gets 1/3 can of Evangers. I give her the drummets or the duck & sweet potato. Please God don't let anything be wrong with that.

Yorkieville200 04-26-2008 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by laurenr (Post 1945706)
When Mango's vomiting first started, she was on the Evanger's ALS kibble, that I used to mix with a teaspoon of their canned chicken (fussy eater). She never had the latter by itself. After one week of symptoms, many visits to the Vet, I switched her to NV Raw. However, after a consultation with Susan Davis, I put her on a home-cooked diet.

I appreciate what you said about this being a paperwork/permit issue. They have always been a highly reputable company, and I would be truly upset if they were one of "those" producing tainted food. That being said, do you think I should have the canned food tested?? I still have one unopened can - or do you think this would be overkill?

Thanks for the reassuring info!:thumbup:
Lauren
My girls scratched like crazy on Evanger's kibble, the lady at the Feed store said it had a lot of tomato in it, and many dogs have allergies to tomato.

Sheila

Yorkieville200 04-26-2008 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette (Post 1946071)
I used to feed Baby Artemis dry. Then all of a sudden she'd throw it up! :eek: I chalked it up to being stale since I bought a HUGE bag. I stopped giving that to her and got Innova dry, and she's done well on that (I free feed). But in the evening is when she gets 1/3 can of Evangers. I give her the drummets or the duck & sweet potato. Please God don't let anything be wrong with that.

I used to feed my girls the Artemis Fresh Mix Small Breed Adult, they did fine, except they gained too much weight on it, on just a tiny amount. I did order it in 4# bags to keep it fresh though, because I have been told, that once a food has been opened 30 days, it loses a lot of its vitamins & minerals.

I changed to Evanger's canned awhile back, think we've gone through at least 6 cases, no problems.

Sheila

doggiecare 04-27-2008 12:53 PM
Not to worry Evanger's is safe
 
Evanger's is still the safest and best in quality dog and cat food on the market.
Trust me i have done my extensive research. If you do not believe me call the company and find out for yourself. Here is a link from Evanger's in regards to the FDA, which rumor has it is greatly exaggerated, which I believe.

Evanger's Dog and Cat Food Company

doggiecare 04-27-2008 12:58 PM
Evangers
 
Evanger's Dog and Cat Food Company

laurenr 04-27-2008 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by doggiecare (Post 1948307)
Evanger's is still the safest and best in quality dog and cat food on the market.
Trust me i have done my extensive research. If you do not believe me call the company and find out for yourself. Here is a link from Evanger's in regards to the FDA, which rumor has it is greatly exaggerated, which I believe.

Evanger's Dog and Cat Food Company
If that is the case, this company needs to do some major damage control in the forums on Itchmo.com.
I have found some pretty scary readings there relating to Evanger's, in the past few days.

Yorkieville200 04-28-2008 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by laurenr (Post 1948966)
If that is the case, this company needs to do some major damage control in the forums on Itchmo.com.
I have found some pretty scary readings there relating to Evanger's, in the past few days.
That press release says the dry food were not called into question; it was the canned foods. so, what's the deal with that?

"All ingredients in Evanger’s products are sourced in the United States and all manufacturing is done in its suburban Chicago facility. The routine FDA inspection was related only to Evanger’s canned foods and is not affiliated with of production its dry pet food products."

That's the part that still concerns me. I was feeding canned, only. Hubby says no more until they make a statement about it in particular. What are you reading about it on Itchmo?

Sheila

laurenr 05-05-2008 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 1949744)
That press release says the dry food were not called into question; it was the canned foods. so, what's the deal with that?

"All ingredients in Evanger’s products are sourced in the United States and all manufacturing is done in its suburban Chicago facility. The routine FDA inspection was related only to Evanger’s canned foods and is not affiliated with of production its dry pet food products."

That's the part that still concerns me. I was feeding canned, only. Hubby says no more until they make a statement about it in particular. What are you reading about it on Itchmo?

Sheila
Hi Sheila,
Sorry, I am just now checking in and catching up. Here is a link to one of the forums on Itchmo. I found Page 3 to be the most current and important:
April 24, 08 Evanger's FDA Orders Food Maker to Obtain Emerg. Operating Permit page 3

I did read another report of slight concern relating to elevated copper levels:
"February 25, 2008: Test results are back on samples received in ziplock bags, believed to be Evangers pheasant and brown rice, best by Oct. 17, 2009, code #001.

Tests ordered: Solanine tested negative.

Aflatoxin and copper. Aflatoxin tested negative. Copper levels were approximately twice the recommended level for dogs. Copper is a necessary element, but excess levels may cause health problems in some breeds. "
This can be found near the top of the page here:

Pet Food Products Safety Alliance

All my information is from Itchmo, which I regard as a highly reputable source.
Then I also found this alarming article"
FDA Orders Illinois Pet Food Maker to Clean Up Its Act

Risk of botulism in Evanger's dog, cat food

Part of the article reads:
"The FDA said the problems could result in under-processed pet foods, which can allow the survival and growth of Clostridium botulinum (C. botulinum), a bacterium that causes botulism in some animals as well as in humans."

The above can be found here:
FDA Orders Illinois Pet Food Maker to Clean Up Its Act

Sorry again to post this so late in the day, but I just found this further info today, and thought it was important.
Lauren:)

Yorkieville200 05-05-2008 03:49 PM
Hi, Lauren.

Thank you so much for all the info! Gosh, that was so kind of you to go to so much trouble! :)

Sheila

laurenr 05-05-2008 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 1968207)
Hi, Lauren.

Thank you so much for all the info! Gosh, that was so kind of you to go to so much trouble! :)

Sheila
No trouble at all. Mango had been on the Evangers before I switched her to the NV Raw medallions, but had to take her off that too because of her vomiting so badly. She is now an a prescribed home cooked diet, but I am really hoping to get her back onto the Raw - I just love all those health benefits, dental benefits, not to mention those teeny poops!
I was actually just reading your threads about the NV. ARGH!! When will this quest for something truly safe ever end???
Lauren:)

Yorkieville200 05-05-2008 04:10 PM
Hi, Lauren.

It appears we are in the same boat. I had my girls on Evangers, then when the problems occurred with the canned food, I went back to NV raw medallions, only to have Kia cut her tiny mouth on a bone fragment and have a bout of vomiting and mucousy stool. I am back to home-cooking. But, like you, I would really like to get back on raw, because I feel it does have so many benefits.

I think, our safest bet may be doing the raw diet with fresh food, so that if a problem arises, we aren't left guessing what was in the food.

I had been home-cooking for quite a long time, then a spine disease landed me in bed for a year and a half, and I've only been back on my feet since the end of November. And even at that, not 100%.

I'm feeling rather disheartened with the pet food industry. :(

Sheila

laurenr 05-05-2008 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 1968271)
Hi, Lauren.

It appears we are in the same boat. I had my girls on Evangers, then when the problems occurred with the canned food, I went back to NV raw medallions, only to have Kia cut her tiny mouth on a bone fragment and have a bout of vomiting and mucousy stool. I am back to home-cooking. But, like you, I would really like to get back on raw, because I feel it does have so many benefits.

I think, our safest bet may be doing the raw diet with fresh food, so that if a problem arises, we aren't left guessing what was in the food.

I had been home-cooking for quite a long time, then a spine disease landed me in bed for a year and a half, and I've only been back on my feet since the end of November. And even at that, not 100%.

I'm feeling rather disheartened with the pet food industry. :(

Sheila
Sheila,
I cannot even begin to imagine what you have been through with your own health issues - a year plus confined to your bed!!! I do hope you are getting around now, fully mobile!
You are not the only one feeling down on even the supposedly "higher grade" pet food manufacturers. From what I can understand about Evanger's, is that after the dreadful recall in March '07, their facility was expanded hugely due to increased demand, so I imagine many quality control issues fell through the cracks.

I had heard such great things about NV, so I was upset to see what happened with your Kia. Hope she is doing better now with her new diet.
Lauren:)

Yorkieville200 05-05-2008 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by laurenr (Post 1968319)
Sheila,
I cannot even begin to imagine what you have been through with your own health issues - a year plus confined to your bed!!! I do hope you are getting around now, fully mobile!
You are not the only one feeling down on even the supposedly "higher grade" pet food manufacturers. From what I can understand about Evanger's, is that after the dreadful recall in March '07, their facility was expanded hugely due to increased demand, so I imagine many quality control issues fell through the cracks.

I had heard such great things about NV, so I was upset to see what happened with your Kia. Hope she is doing better now with her new diet.
Lauren:)

Lauren,

I developed a spine disease, ad until a spine specialist determined that it was affecting the nerves, my D.O. couldn't find a medication to ease the pain.
I'm grateful that I was sent to one of the top neurology clinics in the country, and the disease is manageable. So many with the disease are in worse shape, their spines are completely fused.

Thanks, I am getting around better now, my activities are limited, not something I ever expected at age 55.

I work hard at my PT, because I have 1 year old twin grandsons that I plan to enjoy!

That is such a shame that Evangers quality control declined due to their expansion. My girls loved their food.

I'm disappointed about the NV, too, because it was such a convenient way to feed raw.

Sheila

ally173 06-19-2010 04:05 AM
i know this is a very old post; does anyone still feed their dog evangers food. if so are their food safe despite all the articles out there and how are the dogs doing on the food. anyone here tried the classic chicken and rice canned. i want to try this bland diet for my ibd dog. any feedback is greatly appreciated. thanks


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