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First trip to the vet - concerns! Tia had her first vet check yesterday for her vaccinations. He said that when she has completed the full course of vaccinations she will be protected from 7 illness. I asked whether Lepto was common in the area and whether it was essential that she has it. He said that it was essential that she has it because if she ever comes into contact with water on the street it could be infected and she could get the lepto illnessl; he also said that lepto was transmitted from rats and their urine and it could be harmful to her if she ever comes into contact with it. So we agree on her getting the lepto (it was two shots of different lepto vaccinations). Afterwards she was really sleepy and drowsy. Today she is doing fine. Is it normal for pups to react this way after vaccinations, should I be looking out for anything else? If she were to have an adverse reaction from the lepto, when will these symptons present themselves? 2nd concern - when he first looked at her he said that she was tiny. Tia however is 9 weeks (today) and weighs 1 kg (2.2 lbs) this seems fine to me, she should be about 7lbs fully grown right? At first I thought maybe I should be feeding her more? Until he said her stomach seemed quite bloated. I understand why he has that as Tia has a little little pop belly (since I got her); he said I may be over feeding her. The breeder told me to give her 1/5 of the (regular sized) can of wet food per feeding (I thought this was abit much so I have been given her a little less). How much do you think I should be feeding Tia? I'm starting to think maybe she is bloated as she is taking up to 1.5 hrs to do a number 2 sometimes; (sometimes however it as quick as about 20 mins) - she may have constipation, what can I do to alleviate bloaty ness - maybe less food and more water or more fibre (fruits and vegg!?) Sorry so long. These are just some of the concerns I have now after the vet apt. I may try a different vet, I felt as though he was rushing to get us in and out as quickly as poss (no one was in the office for more than say 7 mins). But I dunno whether it was because she was only having her shots? On her final shots I will assess their interaction again. Thanks for reading Tia --> :aimeeyork says thank you too :D :p ;) |
I am not to sure what to tell you but I would bring this up at my next visit to be sure that there is not something else going on with your furbaby. |
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What bit would you bring up? the lepto concerns, the itching or the weight? or all three. I had prepared a list of what I wanted to ask but felt like I was being rushed out. I didn't want to insist because I thought maybe the procedure is you pay for shots you get shots. I didn't want him to think I was trying to get more than what I paid for |
I'm sorry you're worried. Does she seem playful and energetic? If she is, then I wouldn't worry too much. I would look around for a new vet you feel more comfortable with. I'm not sure how familiar yours is with yorkies, but I wonder after reading your post. When you call around looking for a vet, ask the receptionist or whoever answers the phone how familiar they are with yorkies and other toy breeds. Get recommendations from other yorkie owners as well. I don't know much about bloat, but I think it's more serious than a little belly. Have you posted photos of her? I need to go look. Post some new photos anyway and let the more experienced members here tell you what they think. I think being a little drowsy after puppy shots is to be expected. |
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When he was looking at her stomach he said she isn't having any discomfort with it and he put the that object on her stomach (you know the one which they put in the ears to hear stuff inside :rolleyes: ). eta: today shes back to her playful energetic self. |
Then, I would just keep doing what you're doing EXCEPT that I would find a new vet! I would want one who listens to me and answers my questions. End of story. I don't care how much or how little I paid for a visit, he or she should be willing to take some time with me and my pet. I will pm you with my email address. You can email the photos to me and I can resize them for you. I can also walk you through how to post them anywhere you want. There are also YT members who can make you an avatar. Hug that little girl for me, okay? And kiss that little puppy belly!! :p |
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Her lil belly is so cute lol |
The lepto vaccine is a very controversial issue. Obviously it is a dangerous disease but it is a dangerous vaccine to Yorkies. Some lepto vaccines even have to be given twice a year. This is really between you and your vet but I will just say, one lepto vaccine (although it doesn't protect against all strains) is too much, so two would be out of the question for me. Lethargy, depression and inappetance can be side effects. Throat closure and shock are the serious ones. These should happen within a half hour but I would be very cautious for 48 hours. If all symptoms aren't gone by about 3 days, back to the vet... Just because of what Ellie went through with the lepto vaccine, I will not give it to Yorkies anymore (for now at least). I am taking a risk though. It is a huge risk either way. |
My vet reccommends the Lepto vaccine here.( S. Jersey) We also live on a farm. I am very concerned for Penny.:( She goes to the vet Wed. nite. |
my vet gave Kash the lepto vaccination. we live in florida where it rains a lot. i also live near a lake where bacteria is common. After kash got the lepto shot, he was very drowsy and fatigued for the whole day. but the next day he was completely back to normal. so, i think you're fine. also, if he had a reaction to the shot, the symptoms would show up within 1 to 3 days of getting it. but mostly, if he hasn't had a reaction within the first 24 hrs, chances are he probably won't. but the vet says to keep an eye out for weird behavior for up to 3 days. |
3 Attachment(s) I think we have take off Judy!? |
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I'm not experienced with pups other than mine, but that looks like a normal puppy belly to me. :p (Don't you just want to kiss her?) |
LOL! I love the tongue in the first pic! :) |
Thanks again Judy ;) |
Personally, I would switch to a homeopathic/holistic veterinarian -- one who would have not given your Yorkie pup multiple vaccinations at once, especially Leptospira, when he noticed that she is small and has a "pop" belly. You can do an online search for one near you at American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association http://www.holisticvetlist.com/, Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy http://www.theavh.org/referral/index.php Combination Vaccines, Multiple Shots--on Page 16 of the 2003 AAHA Guidelines under Immunological Factors Determining Vaccine Safety, it states that: "Although increasing the number of components in a vaccine may be more convenient for the practitioner or owner, the likelihood for adverse effects may increase. Also, interference can occur among the components. Care must be taken not to administer a product containing too many vaccines simultaneously if adverse events are to be avoided and optimal immune responses are sought. " Regarding the Lepto vaccine, on Page 2 of the American Animal Hospital Association's 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines and Recommendations, it states that "Optional or 'noncore' vaccines are those that the committee believe should be considered only in special circumstances because their use is more dependent on the exposure risk of the individual animal. Issues of geographic distribution and lifestyle should be considered before administering these vaccines. In addition, the diseases involved are generally self-limiting or respond readily to treatment. The committee believes this group of vaccines comprises distemper-meases virus (D-MV), canine parainfluenza virus (CPIV), Leptospira spp., Bordetella bronchispetica, and Borrelia burdorferi." Furthermore, on Page 7, Tables 1 of the AAHA Guidelines referenced above, it states under Revaccination (Booster Recommendations) that the Leptospira interrogans vaccine "....this product carries high-risk for adverse vaccine events." Under Overall Comments and Recommendations they elaborate: "Anecdotal reports from veterinarians and breeders suggest that the incidence of postvaccination reactions (acute anaphylaxis) in puppies (<12 wks of age) and small-breed dogs is high. Reactions are most severe in young (<9 wks of age) puppies. Routine use of the vaccine should be delayed until dogs are >9 wks of age." On Page 8 of the 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines, it states that "Veterinarians are advised of anecdotal reports of ACUTE ANAPHYLAXIS in TOY BREEDS following administration of leptospirosis vaccines. Routine vaccination of toy breeds should only be considered in dogs known to have a high exposure risk." Leptospira is a “killed” vaccine and is associated with clinically significant adverse reactions. According to the 2003 AAHA Guidelines (Page 16), "...killed vaccines are much more likely to cause hypersensitivity reactions (e.g., immune-mediated disease)." Further, the AAHA task force reports on Page 18 that, "Bacterial vaccines, especially killed whole organism products …..are much more likely to cause adverse reactions than subunit or live bacterial vaccines or MLV vaccines, especially if given topically. Several killed bacterial products are used as immunomodulators/adjuvants. Thus, their presence in a combination vaccine product may enhance or suppress the immune response or may cause an undesired response (e.g., IgE hypersensitivity or a class of antibody that is not protective)." A fuller discussion of the Lepto vaccine can be found on Page 14, in which it is reported that, "Immunity is an ill-defined term for Leptospira ssp. products. If immunity is defined as protection from infection or prevention of bacterial-shedding, then there is little or no enduring immunity." Dr. Alice Wolf, Professor of Small Animal Internal Medicine at Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine, stated in an address (Vaccines of the Present and Future http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00141.htm) at the 2001 World Small Animal Veterinary Association World Congress that: "The most reactive vaccines for dogs include leptospirosis bacterin and Borrelia [Lyme]vaccine.". Personally, I found the most stunning quote in this entire document to be on Page 18, in which the task force declares: "However, the ethical issue that our profession struggles with today is whether economics justifies giving an animal a drug (vaccines are biologic drugs) that is not necessarily required. As a minimum, we should allow pet owners to make this choice rather than make it for them." Anyone who wishes to have a copy of the American Animal Hospital Association's 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines referenced above, please contact me at ledgespring@lincoln.midcoast.com. I highly encourage people to share this report with all of the dog owners they know! Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What We Know and Don't Know, Dr. Ronald Schultz http://www.cedarbayvet.com/duration_of_immunity.htm World Small Animal Veterinary Association 2007 Vaccine Guidelines http://www.wsava.org/SAC.htm Scroll down to Vaccine Guidelines 2007 (PDF) The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at http://www.leerburg.com/special_report.htm . The 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are downloadable in PDF format at http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf . Veterinarian, Dr. Robert Rogers,has an excellent presentation on veterinary vaccines at http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/ |
most gs get sleepy for a day when they get their shots some even get a bump reaction from rabies has she been checked for worms? you should look into switching her to a dry food also canned food isnt so great at helping keep teeth cleaner & healthier |
1 Attachment(s) well, i had a Lepto discussion with our Vet just yesterday,, Cricket and i were out on the town for errands yesterday,, (showing off her "designer" dress) ;) Attachment 204208 and we went by our Vets office, (to show them too) and to ask about if Daisy needed her Bordatella,,which she did, took her back later,, but wanted to ask questions on the Lepto vaccine,, as i'd almost taken the girls to a new place for grooming,, but they Demanded Lepto be given first,, and i'd only JUST read on here about dangers of Lepto vaccine the day before,, so i declined,, brought the girls back home that day and began home grooming,,but yesterday i asked their Vet about Lepto and he does NOT vaccinate for it except in a few cases of Large breed dogs who are at risk,, ones who swim in farm ponds,, hunting dogs, etc..but knowing in how our girls are kept and cared for,, says there is no real danger for Lepto for them,, unless i were to let the girls out walking where a raccoon or opposum or coyote had just urinated and they walked in it and licked their feet or they actually licked in the animal urine,, which he knew i wouldnt let em do to begin with,, but that he had stopped using the 7 in one shot , which he had used for years,, after the vaccine medium had changed,, and he began having major problems especially with smaller dogs,, having reactions,, whelps,, breathing difficulites,, etc.,, dogs having to be brought back in for emergency treatment with benadryl,, etc..when he stopped using that particular vaccine and went to the ones he now uses,, there has been no problem, ,though he still asks we wait at least 15 minutes,, he prefers 30 minutes,, after any shots our girls get.. we just hang out in the office til we're sure they're all good to go, ,no problems,, AND the girls Vet here had NO problem with my question asking,, doesnt charge for that,, even though we went into a treatment room so we could have the time and quiet to discuss some concerns with all these questions,, i think he is impressed i do research online,etc.. I wish everyone could find a Vet they are comfortable with and trust in his care and attention to their Yorkies,,I searched many Vet offices before I brought Cricket home,, to decide on ours,, he is very familiar with small dogs,, small animals,, is an Avian Vet,, i knew if he could fix bird bones,, he should deal well with small dogs.. and he absolutely LOVES our babies too!!that always helps!! |
Did they check for worms in a stool sample? When I go my pup he ended up having hookworms. These you get from the mother. He was tiny with a pot belly as well. They gave him meds for it and now his belly isnt so firm. |
Thanks for the replies :) She has not had her stools checked. Before the vet appointment I was going to take a sample in for him to check (just to be safe) but wasn't sure if I could do that :cool: lol :D . Maybe on her next visit I will ring and ask, i'm willing to pay more. Are worms visually in stools? Because I havn't seen anything. Tia was given the the 7 in 1 shot, on her 2nd visit she will have had the full 7. After her 2nd second shot/ visit if my concerns are well founded then I will try and find another vet. |
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Next, there are many horrible things that are in the water that runs along the curb. Cars park there and can leak oil and antifreeze. Never let them walk close to puddles of water near the road. Parvo is also a VERY bad disease, and even with the shots, they can still get a nasty dose of it. I would never take them to dog parks where so many illnesses lurk, but if you do frequent the dog parks, make sure you take a fecal sample in for testing at least every 6 months. Parasites are common in areas where dogs gather. Your puppy should be given 4 to 5 tiny meals a day. Giving two larger ones a day can lead to bloat. Puppies burn a lot of calories, so they need frequent fuel for those busy little bodies. |
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