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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1719055)

Here is a coupon for NV. With any NV purchase, you can get a free bag of raw or dry. http://www.naturesvariety.com/tryit/index2.lasso

Thanks for the link. I believe I'm gonna try this. I just get so confused on picking which one I want to try??

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Originally Posted by Trina (Post 1719778)

Thanks for the link. I believe I'm gonna try this. I just get so confused on picking which one I want to try??

chicken is usually a good one to start with or Venison.

I've been mostly alternating venison and rabbit. Rabbit is a richer meat so you might want to get her used to the raw before trying it

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Originally Posted by hha (Post 1719770)

You have to remember too much protein is not good for them..I don't feed raw, I look at the wolves that eat raw, and I've never seen a healthy looking one yet..

:confused: Dogs are carnivores, as are wolves (they are actually the exact same species)...they need a high protein diet of meat, bones, and organs. Where have you seen all of these unhealthy wolves?

http://www.geocities.com/havens_home/feedraw.htm

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Originally Posted by hha (Post 1719770)

You have to remember too much protein is not good for them..I don't feed raw, I look at the wolves that eat raw, and I've never seen a healthy looking one yet..

hmm.interesting..

:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1720045)

:thumbup: i want to know where you see it also..My girls are on NV raw and they are doing very very well..I think the vets are pushing to sell SD, Purina and all the craps because they make commission!

i would say stick with NV!.

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Originally Posted by tumismom (Post 1720063)

:thumbup:

:thumbup: i want to know where you see it also..My girls are on NV raw and they are doing very very well..I think the vets are pushing to sell SD, Purina and all the craps because they make commission!

First as far as protein and yorkies, do a search, it tells you straight out too much protein is NOT good for them..... Too much protein for too long can cause kidney damage. I see wolves all the time(my hubby always has the national geographic channel on), it even showed the wolves eating some kind of carcass the other night, all the wolves are always thin, and always look like they're starving to death..
They sure don't look healthy to me..These are my opinions, which we all have...I'm not telling anyone what to feed their dogs, as I sure wouldn't want someone telling me what to feed mine..But, I do know that in 51 years, we've had 2 big dogs that have lived to be 17 and 18, and a lot of small dogs, that have lived to be almost 20..most of them were on purina, as back years ago, that was like the number one food..and the thing is, I can never remember any of them ever being sick or any kind of health problems..Well, I take that back, my golden retriever we had put down at 18(cancer), but, even people(if they live long enough), usually end up with some kind of cancer

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1720045)

I went there, trying to see who wrote it???

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Originally Posted by hha (Post 1720078)

High Protein does NOT cause kidney damage

http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/protein.html (agree with all except saying a dog is an omnivore...a dog is a carnivore!)

A fable that has finally been debunked is the one that states that dogs acquire kidney problems from eating too much protein. This fable was repeated so often that it became self-sustaining and axiomatic. Finally, experts in animal nutrition have buried this myth. It simply is not true that high protein levels in dog food cause kidney problems. "The dog can digest large amounts of proteins, especially those of animal origin" stated Prof. Dominique Grandjean DVM, Ph.D., at the Fourth Annual International Sled Dog Veterinary Medical Association Symposium

The very early research that pointed a finger at protein as being a cause of kidney failure in dogs wasn't even done on dogs! It was done on rats fed unnatural diets for a rodent... diets high in protein. (Were we tinkering with Nature during these “tests”?) Rats have difficulty excreting excess protein in their diets because they are essentially plant eaters, not meat eaters. Dogs are quite able to tolerate diets with protein levels higher than 30% on a dry weight basis. Dogs are meat eaters; that's how Nature made them! Rats are not. So some of the early research on rats was assumed to be true for dogs... and the myth of "too much protein in a dog's diet causes kidney damage" was started. And just like any seemingly valid rumor or assertion, it derived a life of its own and is only recently being accepted as untrue.

http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=1104

High protein pet foods are NOT harmful to a normal animal's kidneys. As an animal's body digests and metabolizes protein, nitrogen is released as a by-product. The excess nitrogen is excreted by the kidneys. A high protein diet produces more nitrogen by-products and the kidneys simply excrete the nitrogen in the urine. While you may think this would 'overwork' the kidneys and lead to possible kidney damage, this is not true. The kidney's filtering capabilities are so great that even one kidney is sufficient to sustain a normal life. There are many pets - and humans - living perfectly healthy lives with just one kidney.

The myth that high protein diets are harmful to kidneys probably started because, in the past, patients with kidney disease were commonly placed on low protein (and thus low nitrogen) diets. Now, we often put them on a diet that is not necessarily very low in protein, but contains protein that is more digestible so there are fewer nitrogen by-products. These diet changes are made merely because damaged kidneys may not be able to handle the excess nitrogen efficiently. In pets with existing kidney problems, nitrogen can become too high in the bloodstream, which can harm other tissues.

Unless your veterinarian has told you your pet has a kidney problem and it is severe enough to adjust the protein intake, you can feed your pet a high protein diet without worrying about 'damaging' or 'stressing' your pet's kidneys. Also, you are not 'saving' your pet's kidneys by feeding a low protein diet.

BTW - if you google "high protein dogs" those two links are the first two that come up :) It was quite an easy search so I don't know where you are getting your info from..

Low Protein diets are something the pet food industry loves to sell because they are cheaper to make...but low protein is not better for our dogs. Much worse actually... The pet food industry is pretty aweful and full of lies, deceit, and false advertising

did you know the pet food industry has only really been around for the past 50-60 years whereas dogs have been eating raw meat and homecooked meat for thousands of years?

http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php...more=1&cat=286
http://www.sojos.com/historyofpetfood.html
http://www.homevet.com/petcare/foodbook.html

OK after reading I am now considering a change!!:D If you feed NV raw is that all you feed or do you feed dry too? What about glucosamine and condroiton(sp), the food i've got my big dogs on have it, with NV would I have to supplement?
Thanks for all the info YTers!!!!:)

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Originally Posted by bbrewser (Post 1720134)

I only feed raw. I also give a fish oil/vitamin E supplement. I should be giving a glucosamine supplement because of Lacy's LP....I need to look into a good one. You might want to supplement glucosamine with your big dogs, esp. if they have issues with their joints. I haven't tried this (although I'm still thinking about it) but raw chicken feet are a good natural source of glucosamine.

[QUOTE=MyFairLacy;1720142]I only feed raw. I also give a fish oil/vitamin E supplement. I should be giving a glucosamine supplement because of Lacy's LP....I need to look into a good one. You might want to supplement glucosamine with your big dogs, esp. if they have issues with their joints. I haven't tried this (although I'm still thinking about it) but raw chicken feet are a good natural source of glucosamine.[/QUOTE]

Ewww....but I bet the dogs would love them:p :) Where would you find raw chicken feet??????

[quote=bbrewser;1720149]

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1720142)

LOL You can probably find them at some supermarkets...maybe talk to a local butcher about ordering them for you. You might have better luck looking in an Asian supermarket as well. That's where I'll probably go if I decide to try them out

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Originally Posted by hha (Post 1720078)

I was told by my vet that dogs are supposed to be on high protein diet unless they have liver problems or kidney problems to begin with. As long as they are healthy, it will not harm them. I trust my vet so i guess i am sticking with it. And i am not saying kibbles are bad. There are really good high quality kibbles out there. I would never tell people what they should feed their dogs but i would like to give them some options and suggestions. oh the wolves thing, well, they do look starving at times because it's not everyday that they catch their prays in the wild. They go on for couple of days without having anything at time. So i guess they look starving. But our babies on the other hand, they do get fed by us daily. I don't think mine look starving because they are on raw..they are solid little piggies.:) Oh for the OP, NV kibbles are excellent to if you ever want to try!