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Yorkipoo mom 12-17-2007 07:24 PM
Luxating patella
 
Can someone please give me more info on this condition, Rilee got neutered on friday and they told us he has this. is there anything I can do to keep it from getting bad?

yorkiesrock 12-18-2007 08:08 AM
Hi Nicole. My Yorkie was also diagnosed with a luxating patella. He actually has it in both rear legs. I went through so many websites for info on this condition and many users of YT were very helpful as well. Here is one website that explains it very well:http://www.peteducation.com/article....&articleid=457 You can also do a google search on luxating patella in dogs and you will get tons of info. Also, you may do a search on YT and will come across lots of posts from users that can also be very helpful. Unfortuantely I was told the only way to correct a LP is through surgery but since my dog only has a grade 1 LP he doesn't need the surgery just yet. I hope he doesn't get worse. Good luck to you and I also hope your dog doesn't need the surgery.

Erin 12-18-2007 08:23 AM
What grade is it? Loki's is a 2 and he will most likely never need surgery. Once in a while he limps, but either he or I can get the knee back in place (have the vet show you how.) Sam's are both 3's and she will probably need surgery in a year or two just based on how she walks. She doesn't bend her knees - she kind of pedals. She also sits with her legs straight out, rarely with her legs bent like most dogs. They say it's not painful but you never know. I give them both glucosamine supplements every day. You'll know if it becomes bad enough for them to need surgery. It tends to be a gradual thing. Also, it's true that you should *try* to keep them from jumping, but since mine can jump on the couch they also like to jump off. We have stairs for the bed but they only use them 1/2 the time to get down. Don't be too paranoid. We are just slowly saving a little extra money because we know it's inevitable Sam will need surgery. I've heard everything from $500-$1500 per knee.

Yorkipoo mom 12-18-2007 06:05 PM
Thank you for the info, i don't know what grade but he is only 8 months old, so i'm sure he will eventually need surgery, he has never shown symptoms, the vet just checked i guess and found it in both legs

kalina82 12-18-2007 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1615202)
What grade is it? Loki's is a 2 and he will most likely never need surgery. Once in a while he limps, but either he or I can get the knee back in place (have the vet show you how.) Sam's are both 3's and she will probably need surgery in a year or two just based on how she walks. She doesn't bend her knees - she kind of pedals. She also sits with her legs straight out, rarely with her legs bent like most dogs. They say it's not painful but you never know. I give them both glucosamine supplements every day. You'll know if it becomes bad enough for them to need surgery. It tends to be a gradual thing. Also, it's true that you should *try* to keep them from jumping, but since mine can jump on the couch they also like to jump off. We have stairs for the bed but they only use them 1/2 the time to get down. Don't be too paranoid. We are just slowly saving a little extra money because we know it's inevitable Sam will need surgery. I've heard everything from $500-$1500 per knee.
it is painful for them. not usually at a grade 1 or 2 but grade 3 and 4 are painful for them. you can tell when you manipulate the joint. Some will not show signs of pain because they have a higher tolerance, but some will because they have a lower tolerance. if my dog had a 3 or 4 i would get the surgery done. its only going to get worse and more painful. Also if its done earlier the muscles around the joint haven't atrophied as much yet and the recovery will be easier. Some people wait too long and since the dog has been favoring the leg it loses muscle mass.

Erin 12-19-2007 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 1616502)
it is painful for them. not usually at a grade 1 or 2 but grade 3 and 4 are painful for them. you can tell when you manipulate the joint. Some will not show signs of pain because they have a higher tolerance, but some will because they have a lower tolerance. if my dog had a 3 or 4 i would get the surgery done. its only going to get worse and more painful. Also if its done earlier the muscles around the joint haven't atrophied as much yet and the recovery will be easier. Some people wait too long and since the dog has been favoring the leg it loses muscle mass.
I've actually had Sam to the vet twice about this, and she said they are really 2/3's and she doesn't need surgery yet. Maybe I'll take her to a specialist just to be sure... She jumps off of *everything* though and never yelps or anything. Her only symptom is that she walks funny, in fact she's never limped like Loki where they come loose. I'm off next week I think I'll get her checked out again.

Gracie2006 12-19-2007 06:40 AM
Gracie has a grade 2 in her left leg and a grade 3 in the right. The surgeon recommended that both be done. Gracie only favors the grade 3 leg. I have a close friend who is also a vet, and discussed this with her. She said the grade 2 should be repaired, as it does cause pain whenever it luxates, whether Gracie shows it or not. Every vet I have discussed this with has said that if you do nothing for a grade 2 or higher, the dog may very likely have debilitating arthritis later in life. It was suggested that I start Gracie on Glucosamine. So, it looks like Gracie will have the first of 2 surgeries sometime next month.

Yorkiedaze 12-19-2007 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1615202)
What grade is it? Loki's is a 2 and he will most likely never need surgery. Once in a while he limps, but either he or I can get the knee back in place (have the vet show you how.) Sam's are both 3's and she will probably need surgery in a year or two just based on how she walks. She doesn't bend her knees - she kind of pedals. She also sits with her legs straight out, rarely with her legs bent like most dogs. They say it's not painful but you never know. I give them both glucosamine supplements every day. You'll know if it becomes bad enough for them to need surgery. It tends to be a gradual thing. Also, it's true that you should *try* to keep them from jumping, but since mine can jump on the couch they also like to jump off. We have stairs for the bed but they only use them 1/2 the time to get down. Don't be too paranoid. We are just slowly saving a little extra money because we know it's inevitable Sam will need surgery. I've heard everything from $500-$1500 per knee.
I strongly advise having the grade 3 operated on. My Zada's were grade three and she had both done at the same time. Azrael has had grade 2 ever since I got her at 5 months old but so far she doesn't need surgery.

Erin 12-19-2007 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 1617857)
I strongly advise having the grade 3 operated on. My Zada's were grade three and she had both done at the same time. Azrael has had grade 2 ever since I got her at 5 months old but so far she doesn't need surgery.
OK so they can do both at the same time? Also does anyone know how much it costs? I'm tempted to wait until spring - I wouldn't want her on the ice after surgery.

kalina82 12-19-2007 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1617337)
I've actually had Sam to the vet twice about this, and she said they are really 2/3's and she doesn't need surgery yet. Maybe I'll take her to a specialist just to be sure... She jumps off of *everything* though and never yelps or anything. Her only symptom is that she walks funny, in fact she's never limped like Loki where they come loose. I'm off next week I think I'll get her checked out again.
how does she walk funny? is her back arched? do her knees do inward? or does she just skip every now and then? If its just an occasional skip every now and then i'd wait too. how long as sam had the bad knees for?

Erin 12-19-2007 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 1618840)
how does she walk funny? is her back arched? do her knees do inward? or does she just skip every now and then? If its just an occasional skip every now and then i'd wait too. how long as sam had the bad knees for?
Since we got her - we didn't get her as a puppy she was nearly 1 year old. The phone # for her breeder isn't on her papers, only an address, so I can't really call and ask. She doesn't do the limp like Loki. She walks with her knees locked - she just doesn't bend them. Try locking your knees and then walking and you'll see what I mean. BUT, she does stairs and runs and leaps and bounces off of everything. She dances on her back legs. It's so wierd. The vet watched her walk and thought it was odd, but said it's not time to do surgery yet. I really like my vet and she does know little dogs pretty well, I mean she diagnosed Loki's and I had no idea what an LP was when I got him and she explained it to me. I don't know. I put a call into her to get a referral for a specialist and I'll just get her checked.

kalina82 12-19-2007 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1618887)
Since we got her - we didn't get her as a puppy she was nearly 1 year old. The phone # for her breeder isn't on her papers, only an address, so I can't really call and ask. She doesn't do the limp like Loki. She walks with her knees locked - she just doesn't bend them. Try locking your knees and then walking and you'll see what I mean. BUT, she does stairs and runs and leaps and bounces off of everything. She dances on her back legs. It's so wierd. The vet watched her walk and thought it was odd, but said it's not time to do surgery yet. I really like my vet and she does know little dogs pretty well, I mean she diagnosed Loki's and I had no idea what an LP was when I got him and she explained it to me. I don't know. I put a call into her to get a referral for a specialist and I'll just get her checked.
it could be that Sam was born with bad knees and she's just used to it. THe chihuahua i fostered had terrible knees. she walked hunched over and with her knees pointed in a odd direction. she was 10 months old at the time. she ran around and jumped with no problems, but that was only because she knew nothing different and had just grown accustom to it. poor thing.

good luck with the specialist!

yorkienewbie 12-20-2007 08:08 AM
Hi, my yorkie also has Luxating patella on both rear legs.I believe she's a grade 1.My vet told me to avoid having her jump off from beds,furniture and so on.I hope she never needs surgery. I am thinking about putting her on a joint supplement though.What do you think about using Missing Link Plus?

Too Cute Teddy 01-05-2008 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Gracie2006 (Post 1617348)
Gracie has a grade 2 in her left leg and a grade 3 in the right. The surgeon recommended that both be done. Gracie only favors the grade 3 leg. I have a close friend who is also a vet, and discussed this with her. She said the grade 2 should be repaired, as it does cause pain whenever it luxates, whether Gracie shows it or not. Every vet I have discussed this with has said that if you do nothing for a grade 2 or higher, the dog may very likely have debilitating arthritis later in life. It was suggested that I start Gracie on Glucosamine. So, it looks like Gracie will have the first of 2 surgeries sometime next month.
Sorry ladies I know this post is a little old, but I was wondering where you can purchase the glucosamine? Teddy has been lifting his back leg once in a while - it almost looks like a spasm so I don't know if it is his bone or a muscular thing. I made an appointment for Tuesday, but I figure the glucosamine would be a good supplement any way.

Gracie2006 01-05-2008 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Too Cute Teddy (Post 1649818)
Sorry ladies I know this post is a little old, but I was wondering where you can purchase the glucosamine? Teddy has been lifting his back leg once in a while - it almost looks like a spasm so I don't know if it is his bone or a muscular thing. I made an appointment for Tuesday, but I figure the glucosamine would be a good supplement any way.
My vet said you can give Glucosamine made for people, so I would say at any drug, grocery, health or variety store. I believe I have also seen it at pet stores. It is a really common supplement for pets.

Too Cute Teddy 01-05-2008 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Gracie2006 (Post 1649899)
My vet said you can give Glucosamine made for people, so I would say at any drug, grocery, health or variety store. I believe I have also seen it at pet stores. It is a really common supplement for pets.
Thanks for the info! I'll have to run to the drug store and check it out - I appreciate the quick response!

RONLYNN 01-05-2008 10:19 AM
The vet told me that Teddi's legs do this but that most yorkies do because he said that the knee socket is really little on these dogs so they tend to pop out of the socket because they are so shallow but then pop right back in. He didn't say it was a problem, said it was very common.

Too Cute Teddy 01-05-2008 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RONLYNN (Post 1650101)
The vet told me that Teddi's legs do this but that most yorkies do because he said that the knee socket is really little on these dogs so they tend to pop out of the socket because they are so shallow but then pop right back in. He didn't say it was a problem, said it was very common.
Thats good to know - I hope it is nothing to worry about, but I just want to get everything checked out and I'll start supplements to hopefully prevent something from starting. I read about flexicose brand supplement, but now I can't find the info?? I think I'm going to try that to start


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