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lplord 06-18-2007 04:08 PM

Help Help Help!!
 
Hi everyone. Need help. My Buster was just fine this morning until I gave him a about a tablespoon of corn flakes just for morning breakfast fun. He has had them so many times, no problem right, not til about 45 minutes later, he threw up the corn flakes. He then threw up three more times, the first one (gross) a little corn flakes, but the other three was orange, with some mucus. Now he is very listless, dosn't want to lay down, just stands there looking at me. He looks very depressed! He hasn't peed at all, except very early (before corn flakes) I gave him 2 ml of pepto bismal, didn't do much good. Thought it would settle his tummy. Any ideas??? Help, I am stumped!!
Thanks,
Lana:confused:

joy and bella 06-18-2007 04:11 PM

i honestly dont know, but i will pray your baby feels better soon ,and i am sure someone will have advice soon!

RoxyJosMom 06-18-2007 04:16 PM

Poor little Buster. I hope it's just a little upset tummy and nothing serious. Hopefully, someone here at YT will have sone idea of what is going on. Just make sure he gets fluids.

LunasMomma 06-18-2007 05:10 PM

Awww, poor guy:(

Keep fluids in him for sure. You can try feeding him some plain white rice with finely shredded chicken mixed in, that usually helps settle their tummy.

Good thoughts headed your way:love:!!

diggy4 06-18-2007 06:05 PM

I agree with Luna....chicken and rice,,,,,

dwerten 06-19-2007 12:19 AM

Treats And Pancreatitis
 
Just curious why the pepto before the corn flakes? Has he always had stomach problems?

I am so against any treats or anything other than dog food as my yorkie was fine for 2 years and we did the treat thing and he got pancreatitis of which yorkies are prone too. The first thing vet said did you give treats and we said yes. The vet was like you should not give treats for this reason. We have 3 dogs and dexter was the only one who got it but it was severe and he almost died. Now he has inflammatory bowel disease because of it. These little ones have real sensitive stomachs so if you get it under control be very cautious

High protein, high fatty treats can be deadly to these little guys. The worst culprit is pupperonis per the internal medicine doctor and vets. We gave ours the Real Meat treats venison, fish and venison and lamb - high end treats and we think that may have done it.

Also potato based foods many dogs cannot tolerate which makes them throw up as dexter cannot eat them and goes into bouts of vomitting.

For his tummy we now use pepcid (fammotidine) to calm stomache acids and when real bad metaclopramide to stop the nausea which a vet will instruct on this. Also, we restrict food for the day the vomitting happens and leave water out. If they will not drink water I use ice cubes for him to lick.

Hope this helps :(

diggy4 06-19-2007 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 1183976)
Just curious why the pepto before the corn flakes? Has he always had stomach problems?

I am so against any treats or anything other than dog food as my yorkie was fine for 2 years and we did the treat thing and he got pancreatitis of which yorkies are prone too. The first thing vet said did you give treats and we said yes. The vet was like you should not give treats for this reason. We have 3 dogs and dexter was the only one who got it but it was severe and he almost died. Now he has inflammatory bowel disease because of it. These little ones have real sensitive stomachs so if you get it under control be very cautious

High protein, high fatty treats can be deadly to these little guys. The worst culprit is pupperonis per the internal medicine doctor and vets. We gave ours the Real Meat treats venison, fish and venison and lamb - high end treats and we think that may have done it.

Also potato based foods many dogs cannot tolerate which makes them throw up as dexter cannot eat them and goes into bouts of vomitting.

For his tummy we now use pepcid (fammotidine) to calm stomache acids and when real bad metaclopramide to stop the nausea which a vet will instruct on this. Also, we restrict food for the day the vomitting happens and leave water out. If they will not drink water I use ice cubes for him to lick.

Hope this helps :(

can these said treats CAUSE pancreacritis or just agitate what is already there?? Im currious because I give my babies pupperoni now Im freakin :eek:

Pipersmommy 06-19-2007 06:20 AM

My Vet told me a lot of yorkies have allergies to corn. It can upset their tummys. Keep us up to date, would like to know how he's doing.

diggy4 06-19-2007 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pipersmommy (Post 1184245)
My Vet told me a lot of yorkies have allergies to corn. It can upset their tummys. Keep us up to date, would like to know how he's doing.


Good point!!! I forgot about the corn in corn flakes....DUH that could be it!!!:)

Gizmo's Mom 06-19-2007 12:58 PM

..also if you gave him milk with his flakes this could have been the problem too.

lplord 06-19-2007 01:14 PM

Hi everyone, thanks so much for the words of encouragement. I took him to the vet. He has no kidney problems, but he had a slight temp of 102. He was a little dehydrated. The vet put him on baytril and also started him with a shot of the same and a shot to keep him from throwing up. She suggested cooked hamburger and rice. He ate that and as of now, he is keeping it down and is drinking water at a normal rate. I just have to keep and eye on him and make sure he gets the water he needs. She saw nothing to alarming, but he may have picked up something in the yard, we just don't know. It was not the corn flakes and in response to DWERTEN, I gave him the pepto bismal after he threw up, the vet didn't indicate prancreatitis. I don't know those symptoms, would the show up in the blood panel? Anyway, thank you all for you good words. He is sleeping quitely now, I think he needs the rest from this ordeal. I will keep you informed as (hopefully) he recovers. Thanks again!!!
Lana

dwerten 06-19-2007 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 1184097)
can these said treats CAUSE pancreacritis or just agitate what is already there?? Im currious because I give my babies pupperoni now Im freakin :eek:

The hospital and vet both said pupperonis are the worst as they are really high in fat and not to ever give those and they prefer just giving their kibble as a treat. Yorkies are prone to pancreatitis and it is a horrible disease. Once they have it is underlying for life. It is very expensive to treat and many die from it

dwerten 06-19-2007 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lplord (Post 1185076)
Hi everyone, thanks so much for the words of encouragement. I took him to the vet. He has no kidney problems, but he had a slight temp of 102. He was a little dehydrated. The vet put him on baytril and also started him with a shot of the same and a shot to keep him from throwing up. She suggested cooked hamburger and rice. He ate that and as of now, he is keeping it down and is drinking water at a normal rate. I just have to keep and eye on him and make sure he gets the water he needs. She saw nothing to alarming, but he may have picked up something in the yard, we just don't know. It was not the corn flakes and in response to DWERTEN, I gave him the pepto bismal after he threw up, the vet didn't indicate prancreatitis. I don't know those symptoms, would the show up in the blood panel? Anyway, thank you all for you good words. He is sleeping quitely now, I think he needs the rest from this ordeal. I will keep you informed as (hopefully) he recovers. Thanks again!!!
Lana

there is a special test for pancreatitis which is CPLI and it will rule it out. The lipase and amylase enzymes tend to be high as well. Vomitting and diarhea are signs of it and lethargy. Dexter did not have diarhea with his though - sounds like corn allergy though from other posts.

dwerten 06-19-2007 06:39 PM

sorry CPLI is an add on to the blood work but it spefically tests the pancreas

pea496 06-19-2007 06:44 PM

Hope Buster is feeling better. I hate it when my little Conner gets sick.

lplord 06-19-2007 07:33 PM

Well, it is 9:30 and he is still very lathargic, he ate at 1:30 this afternoon, and drank water ok, but as for now he refused anymore food. He finally pooped a small bit early this afternoon and again about 9:00, again just a small bit, about the size of a quarter. He is urinating some. The weakness scares me, he follows me around the yard, slowly, but with the excersize did result in a little poop. I noticed his stomach is hard and it seems uncomfortable for him when i try to rum his tummy. I guess it takes a day or two for the antibiotics to kick in and make him feel better. The vet said for me to call her early in the am to see how he is doing, if not doing much better she may have to hospitalize him to get more fluids in. She might then go ahead a give him the test for pancreatitis. He does not believe he has it as he only vomited those 4 times within an hour and it never happened again. Also no diarhea. So I will let you all know more as the days progress...
Lana:(

Gizmo's Mom 06-20-2007 02:20 AM

Checking in on Buster this morning, how was his night? I do hope he is much better today. :)

dwerten 06-20-2007 03:21 PM

check with vet about using famotidine (pepcid) this controls the stomach acids in their tummy - could be inflammatory bowel disease as bloating is part of it - sometimes if they eat too much kibble it bloats the stomach- I do the famo 30 minutes before eating 2 times a day when he has tummy probs - is there potato in diet? dexter doing good on purina ha and he had tummy problems like he could not get comfortable and belly distended and then vomitting as the small intestines could not digest the food - less vomitting than pancreatitis - no real test for ibd but a biopsy with a scope and i opted against it and doing ok with food

dwerten 06-20-2007 03:24 PM

check with vet but hamburger is harsh on tummy - internal medicine doctor had me feed dexter lean ground turkey and rice as easier on tummy - also simplecef is an antibiotic that is less harsh on tummy - sounds like dexter when he has a bout with ibd and he had problems even with the turkey so it might be the meat

dwerten 06-20-2007 03:27 PM

if he does not want to eat it is ok just restrict food for a day and let his tummy calm down and feed small portions for next few days - as long as he is drinking water it is ok - he may need to give his tummy rest - metoclopramide is another drug i use for nausea that vet gave me

famotidine for stomach acid and metoclopramide for anti nausea

Sometimes it takes 24 - 48 hours when they have tummy probs but must still drink water or use ice cubes for them to lick

lplord 06-20-2007 03:52 PM

Hi all!
Buster was not doing very well this morning. Had trouble waking him up, picked him us and he was just like a limp rag! Got a second opinion. First thing the vet said, it sounds like pancreatitis, newest type blood tests are done here at this vets office showed his pancreas levels were very high, low potasium and all the other indicators show an attach of acute pancreatitis. He is staying overnight on IV fluids and all the good stuff he needs. Dr says he is resting comfortably now. He had such stomach pain it just about killed me! In the morning he will be doing blood tests to check those levels again, and if he is showing signs of improvement and he looks allot more alert he can come home in the afternoon. I thought by all the research I did yesterday that was the conclusion I came up with too. Well, what a learning experience this has been... $126.00 of it!!! That is what the first vet charged for the wrong diagnosis. I will let you know tomorrow what the outcome is. Thanks again everyone. I love this forum, I have learned so much!!!
Lana:thumbup:

dwerten 06-20-2007 07:56 PM

did they do the cpli test? as amylase and lipase not as accurate? Also, please make sure they do not give you i/d food as hospital said do not feed this food even though most vets recommend for pancreatitis. Let me know what medicine he comes home with? Dexter relapsed a few times and it became severe so be careful. Is there a specialty hospital for severe cases near you where they do 24 hour fluid care with no transportation? If it becomes severe which i hope not then i recommend a plasma transfusion as it saved dexters life. No more treats and lowfat food. Hopefully a mild case of pancreatitis and not severe like dexter. It is extremely painful in the abdomin. Keep me posted as I am very familiar with this so i will help out - hoping the best:) so glad you went to a different vet who is knows about latest technology.

lplord 06-21-2007 05:35 PM

Hey all! Buster is home. Came home at noon today. He had bacterial Pancreatitis. All levels are back up where they should be. Came home with amoxicilin 100 mg. He sure is glad to be home! Ate about 6:00 tonite and so far is hold it down. Ate a tablespoon of boiled hamburger and rice, when out and peed and came in a had a drink of water. He even barked when someone showed up at the door. What a GREAT sound!!! He is very tired though, this has been quite an ordeal. Dwerteb asked about the cpli test, and the vet did that test. The first one showed that he was really out of whack, As well as his Pan. enzymes. This mornings blood work was great. We are just taking it slow, one day at a time. He seems to be holding everything down. Let's home I dodged the big bullet here. He and Sissy usually eat Canidae for some time now and seem to be doing very well on it. The Vet believes this was caused the the rabbit he and his sister had attached on Saturday morning. This is the second rabbit kill in 2 months! But we have it solved now!! My special Husband now has a rabbit proof potty area they can use. Thanks so much for all you love and support. What a great group of people, I love this site!! Thanks!
Lana:)

dwerten 06-21-2007 08:04 PM

so glad to hear this :) I hope he is out of the woods - let us know if any more probs :) glad the vet ran that test as that is the best one - ultrasound and amylase lypase not so good in determining pancreatitis

SophieRose 06-21-2007 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lplord (Post 1185712)
Well, it is 9:30 and he is still very lathargic, he ate at 1:30 this afternoon, and drank water ok, but as for now he refused anymore food. He finally pooped a small bit early this afternoon and again about 9:00, again just a small bit, about the size of a quarter. He is urinating some. The weakness scares me, he follows me around the yard, slowly, but with the excersize did result in a little poop. I noticed his stomach is hard and it seems uncomfortable for him when i try to rum his tummy. I guess it takes a day or two for the antibiotics to kick in and make him feel better. The vet said for me to call her early in the am to see how he is doing, if not doing much better she may have to hospitalize him to get more fluids in. She might then go ahead a give him the test for pancreatitis. He does not believe he has it as he only vomited those 4 times within an hour and it never happened again. Also no diarhea. So I will let you all know more as the days progress...
Lana:(

Sounds like your vet is staying on top of your pups illness. Pancreatitis is extremely painful, and debilitating. A blood panel will show his level of protein. If you have read on the internet about the disease, it will help you be educated. If he doesn't have it, all the better. Yorkies have extremely sensitive stomaches and I learned the hard way to stay away from greasy food and treats. Good luck and will check your post tomorrow to see how Buster is feeling.

You are a good mommy to take such good care of him, and insure he receives quality medical care.

lplord 06-22-2007 10:58 AM

Buster is doing much better today. He can't wait to eat, but I can see he is quite dissapointed in the meager meal he gets! LOL... Bowel movement today and peeing like he used to. Vet called today to see how he was. I made the right decision to get a second opinion. I can tell everyone that go with your gut feeling when something is not right. Sure am glad to have my baby back.
Bless all of you for your love and concern, you helped me over the rough spots. Love to all,

Lana, Buster and Sissy!:D

dwerten 06-22-2007 07:25 PM

that is great :) no more treats only lowfat diet and kibble for treats - sounds like a mild case and very lucky this time :) good news


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