Hypoglycemic Episode: could it because of Drontal medication???
 

WHOA!!!! Drontal is used to treat worms!!! I used that to worm my pups last litter and the wee one got very sick off of it!

http://petscriptions.com/index.php?l...1&item_id=1709

Also, I had 1 pill that was cut into fourths to give 1/4 to each of the pups. It's VERY strong and I'll never give it again. I almost lost my little one because of it.

http://www.animalhealth.bayerhealthc...tal.337.0.html

Drontal Plus / Vomiting ?
It has been observed that vomiting can very occasionally occur after treatment with Drontal Plus. Following facts have been established:

These cases are rare
Vomiting depends on individual sensitivity of the dog:

Trials have been performed in Australia (Hopkins) with a large number of dogs of various sizes, breeds and ages. It statistically appeared that there is no correlation between vomiting and specific dog races, sizes or even the moment of the treatment compared to the moment of the ration intake.
Furthermore, it has to be said that the occasional dog will vomit or react to nearly anything. A few cases have been reported of animals for which later information reveals that they have also reacted to other medicaments like antibiotics or other wormers.
In case of later readministration, it has been noticed that the intensity of side effects (vomiting) often sensibly decreased.

How to react in front of a vet complaining about vomiting in dogs after treatment with Drontal Plus?
Try to know more about the dog, in order to evaluate if other factors are involved:

is it the first time that the dog vomit after administration of a medicament? (individual sensitivity)

was the correct dose administered?

have other dogs been treated at the same time? With reactions? Etc.
In case Drontal Plus treatment reasonably appears to be the cause of vomiting; recognize that this side effect can occur but minimize it. In order to minimize this undesired effect;
mention the arguments from part 1

Rarity

Individual sensitivity

frequent improvement in case of later administration
remention all the admitted advantages of Drontal Plus
High efficacy

Broadest spectrum of activity

Single dose treatment

Easy administration

Compare positively with other competitor products (e.g. Nitroscanate)

No other competitor product brings so many advantages with so little side effects

Try to evaluate the real importance of this problem in order to minimize it. Petowners often dramatize the situation. Therefore, when vets are visited by representatives, they sometimes subjectively exaggerate some side effects;

You must evaluate the real and objective importance of the problem
"Doctor, how many similar cases did you notice this year? How many Drontal Plus boxes (or treatments) did you sell this year?"
Then, if the vet has sold for example 200 boxes while only 4 cases whereobserved, it is easy to let the veterinarian admit that 2% side effect is negligible.

thanks for your quick reply...
maybe i am just dumb, but i didnt know that coccidia=worms? i knew it wasnt good, but i guess i had thouht it was a virus- kinda like parvo. what should i do from here? do you think i should o should bring it up to my original vet? it was the scareist thing- holding him so lifeless. i thought he was going to die. what kind of sypmtoms did your puppies have after taking the drontal? sorry if im spelling everything wrong. im running on no sleep and i have the worst headaxhe.

No, you are NOT dumb! I didn't know either but had a friend tell me that it's dangerous for these tiny pups.

My tiny had not been doing the greatest as it was. Taken her into the vet one morning and he just said she had a bacterial infection and to treat the whole litter. He gave me Clavamox. Since I had not yet wormed the litter...I guess they were 5 weeks, he gave me the Drontal. Everyone took theirs and I took the tiny to work with me and had her in a box under my desk. Next thing I know, she was vomitting out one end and had the runs out the other. Her head was bobbing, she was very weak and then fell over. I left work immediately and rushed to the nearest vet. She made it and I had to give her pedialyte every 2 hours and science diet A&D mixed with nutrical and water every 4 hours. It was a close call and I had to force feed her but she pulled through and lives in California now.

WHaT IS COCCIDIA???
 

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_coccidia.html

Coccidia are single celled organisms that infect the intestine. They are microscopic parasites detectable on routine fecal tests in the same way that worms are but coccidia are not worms and they are not visible to the naked eye. Coccidia infection causes a watery diarrhea which is sometimes bloody and can even be a life-threatening problem to an especially young or small pet.

Oh my...you poor thing and poor little sirius....you have been through so much.

Coccidia is not worms, they are microscopic parasites that live in the intestine and is usually treated with albon which is a sulfa based med. Read this thread for a lot of info. Post #21 I think of that thread describes what it is exactly.http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...light=coccidia

When Buddha got a tummy ache from being fed ham at 11 weeks, he refused to eat and got hypoglycemic and developed coccidiosis from the stress. The breeder knew he was allergic to albon because she had given it as a preventative and he had become sick so she told me to tell the vet he was allergic. WELL< the vet was still going to give him Albon and i said no way....the vet "wrote him off" and basically said he was going to die, but my breeder treated him with chorid instead which is not sulfa based and we syringe fed him around the clock for two weeks and he is healthy and happy and thriving today!

Unfortunately vets don't know everything and sometimes we have to do our own research and even take the advice of well seasoned and experienced breeders who know from experience what is best for this breed. I have never heard of Drontal but if Kimberley found on the interent the info about vomiting and your vet didn't know about it, that is concerning.

If he is not eating and you need to syringe feed him make a mixture of bay rice cereal, pedialyte and cornstarch or karo syrup until it is the consistency of runny oatmeal and feed him about two 15 cc syringe size feedings every three hours or so. Give him pedialyte by syringe as well to keep him hydrated. Sometimes they will eat the puppy colostrum you can get at the pet food store too.

Good luck.

I would ask your vet why he gave him that meds instead of the Albon. Cali had 2 episodes of hypoglycemia the first 2 weeks I had her and she was on the Albon, but I think it was a combination of coccidia, kennel cough and not eating any of the foods I tried until I put her on cesars, which isn't that good but she loved it. Good luck the main thing is to make sure he is eating.

coccidia is treated with Albon, whats perplexing is your vet didnt correct you or explain what your kid was being treated for.

Make sure you keep him hydrated, put honey in his water and keep trying to get him to eat.

I would take him to the vet again tomorrow if he isnt better.

good luck

I didn't see Kimberley's post before I submitted mine but she said the same thing basically so it's good...lol.

Let us know if you need any other info.

Typo~ Thta was supposed to say "Baby" rice cereal (the dried kind in a box).

Did Sirius test positive for coccidia? They would have had to do a fecal exam.

o goodness im glad she pulled through. i am trying to get him to eat and drink, but i dont really know how to "force" him- i dont want to hurt him, but obviously i want him to eat and drink. i can force the nutrical on him by putting it on the roof of his mouth, but as for the pedialyte or water, how should i go about it?? thanks so much for clearing things up for me. i had thought i knew coccidia wasnt worms, but i didnt realize that drontal wasnt for coccidia. i dont even think he HAS the coccidia anymore- its just the fact that the meds made him sick and screwed up his tummy that caused him the hypo episode. i wish i never gave it to him now. :( any suggestion how to make him drink?

find an eye dropper if you dont have a syringe...

mix honey and water or karo syrup and water once filled stick the dropper in the side of his mouth if he wont lick it. Give him several droppers full every couple hours, if he pees you know he is hydrated.

If you want to try force feeding with a syringe buy two sizes or use the one that came with the albon if you still have it. It should be a 3 CC syringe probably. I use a smaller one, a 1 mml for the pedialyte. I would make the baby food mixture i described above and feed three of the 3 CC syringes every three to four hours.

It won't hurt him and it is the same as putting the nutrical on the roof of his mouth. You just have someone help you and gently open his mouth and squeeze some into the back of his throat and he will have no choice but to swallow it.

I would also buy the puppy colostrom and see if he will drink that on his own as it tastes really good and they usually gobble it up even if they don't feel well.

I used a syringe to force mine. Even when supplementing this litter, they did NOT want the bottle. DO NOT hold a pup like a baby...on their backs, they can drown. You can hold them firmly and gently pry open their mouths and slowly inject the syringe.

I hope that he'll be okay. :( It is NOT good for them to vomit so much...they can get dehydrated fast!

thank you guys for all your help.

feminvstr- I am wondering the same thing as to why she changed what meds he was on. she told me specifically that it was for the coccidia. i even have it written down because i took notes that day. im not sure if should be mad at her, but i am nonetheless. i gave him some honey, but i will try putting it in water because i havent been ale to force him to drink the water.

soCaL- he did test positive for the coccidia. great minds think alike- especially when it comes to yorkies i guess. no worries- the more i hear the same thing the better i understand it.

thanks sooooo much all of you for replyng so quickly.<3<3<3

oh thank you for the eye dropper suggestion- he is finally drinking some water. and he did pee, so im hoping he isnt too dehydrated. he perked up quite a bit too, after drinking the water. he ate a little of his rice and even gave me a good licking :] i was starting to think he hated me for letting him feel so yucky...while he's still not his normal self, he is looking a little better. so i feel better. thanks again. looks like tonight will be a sleepless one. i cant wait for him to feel better. thanks again guys, i really dont know what id do if i didnt have YT to turn to. every yorkie breeder should require their prospective puppy owners to become a member. thanks so much ladies<3<3

Life after Cocci
 

Jackie I know exactly the worry you feel. My little Evan had a rough start. Cocci hit him at 8 wks which resulted in Hypoglycemia, I almost lost him 3 times. He lost all his hair from only eathing baby food that was syringe fed for a month straight every 3 hrs around the clock. Albon was persrcibed, but ask your vet about Benbac. Albon kills ALL the bacteria; good and bad. You need to replenish the good bacteria so ask yoru vet about that. Usually Benebac is given at the same time as Albon.

Just, give him the Albon and lots and lots of love. He'll get over this common hump in no time!

Evan sends his love, here's a pic of Evan at 13wks when he was really sick (his little legs were shaved from IVs) and bald from losing hair and then a pic of him now at 8 months ahd 4.5 pounds and beautiful steel blue silk hair growing back. A picture of health. You are soo consciencious, Sirus wil be fine!

Hugs!!

omgoodness what a cutie pie he is. Its been a tough night, but i think he is going to be ok. i am trying to be as conscientious as possible without giving him manchausen sydrome- i swear i think he has every disorder the more and more i read. now hes peeing so much from me giving him water which he BARELY drank all day. so of course now i think he has a liver shunt all over again. :/ i cried so much today once my parents got home to take me to the emergency vet. i really thought i was going to lose him- i know ive only had him for 2 weeks, but i swear it feels like a lifetime already. my parents thought i was crazy to be crying, but i felt so bad for him being so sick. hes sleeping now and ill wake him up in about 2 more hours. hes not eating the rice anymore, but i did manage to get him to take some nutrical willingly. do you guys think its ok that all hes taking is the nutrical and water? sounds like im holding him prisoner or something. i did mix the water with a little honey like feminvstr suggested. he has vomited in a while [except for a little water, but i think it was from him drinking so fast] so i think his tummy is feeling a little better. Should i be waking him up to feed/water him??? i just dont wanna do the wrong things...im sorry for the 27289 questions and misspellings- im trying to stay awake and be alert, but i think im losing it :rolleyes:

You are doing great...I wish you could get some actual food in him but the rice is maybe enough for now. I think if he eats every four hours through the night and you get him to the vet or get to the grocery store or the pet store or both for the baby food and the puppy colostrum in the morning..that would be great.

Hang in there! :thumbup:

I haven't read all of these posts carefully - so hope I'm not repeating someone.

If your dogs appears to be hypoglycemic - and you give him karo syrup or honey - you don't need to worry about his not swallowing it or vomitting it up.

If you just rub it around the inside of his mouth and under his tongue - his body will absorb it through the tissue and he will still get it in his system.

So saith my Vet.......

Carol Jean

Yep, always try to get some of the sugar substance under the tongue. It will absorb very fast from there. The area under the tongue has a lot of blood vessels...that is why we tell heart patients to put their nitroglycerine tabs UNDER their tongues..
BeneBac is a life saver. Any time one of my nursing moms has to take antibiotics, I give BeneBac to the mom and puppies. Any stress and my puppies get BeneBac. They leave here with a tube and instructions as to how to use it. When I don't have it available, I give a small amount of acidophilus for hoomans. All of my newborn puppies get it as soon as the puppy is cleaned and warmed. I read that in a Yorkshire Terrier magazine a few years ago and have not lost a newborn puppy that was alive when born.