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ladyjane 09-24-2013 06:29 AM
Just now reading this thread. I agree with Ellie May and 107Barney....imaging should be done. There is no way you could possibly know that all stones have passed unless this is done.

My vet always suggests imaging with voiding issues...and especially when there is blood involved. If your vet is not, I would ask why.

Yorkieville200 10-13-2013 02:35 PM
Our new Vet is a Holistic Vet, and she said that dry food (kibble) causes calcium oxide stones to form in the kidneys and bladder.

She recommended we feed our new puppy Maxwell, canned, raw, or freeze dried raw.

Here are the brands she recommended:Nature's Variety, Stella & Chewys, Primal, and Bravo.

Marhcarter 10-13-2013 02:43 PM
I don't know why, but the thought of raw just distresses me. I know that is what dogs were originally designed to eat, but I haven't even been able to make myself get a raw bone from the butcher. Canned = pudding poop, and with a dog that goes outside or inside, depending on his mood, that is bad. Dry kibble = tootsie rolls = easy cleanup in this house. I guess if he ever gets stones, I might change my thinking, though.:rolleyes:

ladyjane 10-13-2013 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Marhcarter (Post 4332035)
I don't know why, but the thought of raw just distresses me. I know that is what dogs were originally designed to eat, but I haven't even been able to make myself get a raw bone from the butcher. Canned = pudding poop, and with a dog that goes outside or inside, depending on his mood, that is bad. Dry kibble = tootsie rolls = easy cleanup in this house. I guess if he ever gets stones, I might change my thinking, though.:rolleyes:
It's just not true. It all depends on the foods...I have a pup who had calcium oxylate stones when he came to me. He has been on RX kibble since and never had stones again. Most of my pups eat kibble and don't have a history of stones.

Yorkieville200 10-14-2013 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Marhcarter (Post 4332035)
I don't know why, but the thought of raw just distresses me. I know that is what dogs were originally designed to eat, but I haven't even been able to make myself get a raw bone from the butcher. Canned = pudding poop, and with a dog that goes outside or inside, depending on his mood, that is bad. Dry kibble = tootsie rolls = easy cleanup in this house. I guess if he ever gets stones, I might change my thinking, though.:rolleyes:
I've been feeding my new puppy, Stella & Chewy's freeze dried raw. I feel the same way about feeding raw, as far as the frozen raw patties are concerned. Depending on the brand of canned food that you feed, you won't get mushy stool.

I have a very dear friend, that one of her Yorkies kept developing bladder infections, and she ended up having surgery, and the Vet said she had the largest stones he'd ever removed from a dog.

Yorkieville200 10-14-2013 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4332247)
It's just not true. It all depends on the foods...I have a pup who had calcium oxylate stones when he came to me. He has been on RX kibble since and never had stones again. Most of my pups eat kibble and don't have a history of stones.
I'm inclined to agree with you. I've had Yorkies for 32 years, and they ate a combination of kibble & canned, until all the dog food recalls, and then, I began homecooking.

None of my girls ever developed stones. So, I am taking my new Vet's word with a grain of salt.

mimimomo 10-14-2013 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 4332033)
Our new Vet is a Holistic Vet, and she said that dry food (kibble) causes calcium oxide stones to form in the kidneys and bladder.

She recommended we feed our new puppy Maxwell, canned, raw, or freeze dried raw.

Here are the brands she recommended:Nature's Variety, Stella & Chewys, Primal, and Bravo.
NOT true. Some dogs are predisposed to getting crystals &/or stones. Yes, sometimes it's the diet, but some dogs can be on a dry kibble diet all their life & not get any crystals &/or stones.

You also need to be very careful w/meat based diets like raw bc if the pH goes too low/ acidic, that can cause calcium oxalate stones. Yorkies are predisposed to have this, along w/struvites. So I think getting a urinalysis during the yearly exam is important (esp of you feed a raw diet), I believe in preventative care/medicine.

mimimomo 10-14-2013 10:25 PM
OP, how's Daisy doing?

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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4332782)
NOT true. Some dogs are predisposed to getting crystals &/or stones. Yes, sometimes it's the diet, but some dogs can be on a dry kibble diet all their life & not get any crystals &/or stones.

You also need to be very careful w/meat based diets like raw bc if the pH goes too low/ acidic, that can cause calcium oxalate stones. Yorkies are predisposed to have this, along w/struvites. So I think getting a urinalysis during the yearly exam is important (esp of you feed a raw diet), I believe in preventative care/medicine.
oops, there's a chunk of sentence that disappeared...if anything, I think (in my experience) being on a dry kibble diet promotes struvite crystals. Again, for some dogs that are predisposed to getting it, not all. My 2 had it & I learned from my vet & from YT that the diet needs to be liquefied, struvites can be dissolved. So I incorporate canned food & always moisten their kibble for 1 meal. I also make sure they have fresh drinking water & encourage them to drink more. They also get premade raw sometimes.


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