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Cherie6446 08-12-2013 02:57 PM
Could be seizures
 
I posted under the subject "sight problem maybe". I thought Zoey might have a floater because of her strange behavior. She would freeze and lower her head to about an inch from a surface and then try to bite imaginary bugs. I researched dog floaters and discovered that these "fly-biting" eposides can be epileptic seizures. Today I took her to the vet and they did a complete blood panel. She does not have any floaters. He wants me to record her doing this. Results will be back on Wed. I will try to get it on film tonight.

Marhcarter 08-12-2013 03:28 PM
I hope it isn't seizures, but keep us informed. Good luck for a diagnosis and successful treatment.

Cherie6446 08-12-2013 03:59 PM
I'll update what is happening as soon as I hear from the vet. Hope it isn't seizures. My first yorkie had grand mal seizures starting at 5 yrs of age. She didn't take meds because she didn't have them very often.

ladyjane 08-12-2013 04:06 PM
Might want to also have BATs done as this could be related to a liver shunt.

I hope it is something simple.

Cherie6446 08-12-2013 04:52 PM
I don't know what a BAT test is but the vet said he was going to test the liver along with a full panel.

ladyjane 08-12-2013 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie6446 (Post 4294724)
I don't know what a BAT test is but the vet said he was going to test the liver along with a full panel.
BAT is Bile Acid Test

Dogs with liver shunts do not always have abnormal blood work. Even the liver enzymes can come up normal.

Just something to think about...maybe speak with your vet about it.

Cherie6446 08-12-2013 05:22 PM
I'll mention the test. We are leaning towards a neurological problem.

ladyjane 08-12-2013 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie6446 (Post 4294748)
I'll mention the test. We are leaning towards a neurological problem.
It very well may be neurological. I only mentioned it because some vets don't realize that these yorkies can have liver shunts without having elevated enzymes. It happened to one of mine this past year.

Clearly he wants to make sure it is not medical and I am just saying that to totally rule out liver shunt, I think BATs should be done.

Here are some links for you:

Portosystemic Shunts FAQ

Lacy's Place in Cyberspace - Medical Information

theporkieyorkie 08-13-2013 12:09 PM
Do they have to fast to get a BAT done? Or do they have to draw blood before and after they eat??

Or can it just be done in addition to a normal blood work?!?


I ask because I am thinking of asking to have this test done with my older male at our vet visit next Friday. I posted a video of his "episodes" last week on here and I don't think he's had a BAT done.

Cherie6446 08-13-2013 12:22 PM
If you click on the link in the post above yours the test is explained.

theporkieyorkie 08-13-2013 12:29 PM
Thank you!!

lillymae 08-13-2013 08:43 PM
FYI, Fly or air biting is also a symptom of Chiari. Also vision problems & blindness. I would get her to a Neurologist ASAP.

Cherie6446 08-14-2013 12:45 PM
Update: all tests are normal. Vet wants to see a video of this behavior. So I am carrying around a small camera hoping to capture something. I haven't seen her do anything for the last two days. Will keep watching.

yorkiedorky 08-14-2013 01:08 PM
My first pup had hydroencefelis... He had horrible seizures and he passed away :(
He would freeze and just stare, convulse violently, foam at the mouth, and lose control of bodily functions.(pee/poop). The episodes lasted about 15 seconds. It was absolutely devastating to watch. I only had him for 2 days and had to take him to the vet. They did a bile test on him and and all kinds of blood work and brain scans. The seizures happened very frequently. Very heartbreaking. I hope your pup isn't going through anything like that.

Cherie6446 08-14-2013 01:19 PM
I'm so sorry that you first pup had that terrible dx. Zoey doesn't do anything like that. I am watching her like a hawk and haven't seen anything abnormal. She hasn't done the bug biting for several days. There seems to be so many different neurological problems they could have. It's going to be a wait and see.

tricia208 08-14-2013 04:30 PM
The unknown can sometimes scarier than the actual diagnosis. Your description of the symptoms sounds like a focal seizure. There are YouTube videos of dogs having a focal seizure so you can see if the symptoms are similar and a ton of information if you do an internet search. While no seizure is good, focal seizures can be managed and the dog will have a good life. Good luck. I hope everything works out for the best.

Cherie6446 08-14-2013 04:39 PM
I'll chech out the you tube video. I was able to record her doing this behavior, finally. I'll show the vet tomorrow.

tricia208 08-15-2013 09:17 AM
Very good idea to record it. When I am trying to describe my dog's behavior to the vet I know I probably confuse him more than I help. Let us know your vet's feedback.

Cherie6446 08-15-2013 02:58 PM
I showed the video, which was not that good, to the vet today. He really couldn't see much of a problem but recommended giving her a low dosage of phenobarbital for a month and see if the eposides continue or disappear. Or he could recommend some specialists for eyes and brain. I'm not sure what I want to do. I have been growing out her bangs and I am wondering if the hair hanging in her line of sight could be bothering her and maybe that is the answer. I cut her bangs when I got home today. We'll see.

lillymae 08-16-2013 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cherie6446 (Post 4297014)
I showed the video, which was not that good, to the vet today. He really couldn't see much of a problem but recommended giving her a low dosage of phenobarbital for a month and see if the eposides continue or disappear. Or he could recommend some specialists for eyes and brain. I'm not sure what I want to do. I have been growing out her bangs and I am wondering if the hair hanging in her line of sight could be bothering her and maybe that is the answer. I cut her bangs when I got home today. We'll see.
Can you post the video here ? I would get another opinion before putting her on Phenobarbital.

107barney 08-16-2013 03:37 AM
I have a problem with a vet prescribing a drug without a diagnosis. I'd get a second opinion, and preferably from a neurologist who has a clue. Unlikely her hair is causing neuro probs.

Cherie6446 08-16-2013 08:12 AM
Unfortunately I don't know how to post videos. I have a hard time even putting a pix in my posts. I'm not inclined to give drugs without knowing what is wrong. I will probably see a neurologist if this continues. I'll keep updating.

tricia208 08-20-2013 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4297297)
I have a problem with a vet prescribing a drug without a diagnosis. I'd get a second opinion, and preferably from a neurologist who has a clue. Unlikely her hair is causing neuro probs.
Ditto! Especially something as strong as phenobarbital even in a low dose. That may control the symptoms without finding the cause. You will only know that phenobarbital will control the symptoms and nothing else - meaning you are no closer to finding the root of the problem. Your vet means well but in my opinion that is not a solution. If hair caused seizures then all of our dogs would be expressing those symptoms. I have to fix my dog's hair over their eyes at least twice per day. Please keep us updated because all of this information helps. We are all learning together to best care for our babies.

Cherie6446 08-20-2013 10:11 AM
I cut her hair knowing that this was a stretch and of course it didn't help. She is going to have her teeth cleaned next week so I don't want her taking any meds until her teeth cleaning is over. I am looking into neurology vets in my area. I will also try to get a better video of her doing the stare/bug thing.

AllDogBoots 08-20-2013 11:08 AM
I am sorry you have to deal with this. I too, think going to a neurologist to rule out any other issue is necessary before medicating. My Max was on phenobarbital for a while because he had focal seizures.

Cherie6446 08-20-2013 12:23 PM
Did Max stop having the seizures?

AllDogBoots 08-20-2013 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie6446 (Post 4300080)
Did Max stop having the seizures?
Yes. He was a very unusual case as the specialists have never seen seizures in a 12 week old pup. He was very young. There was a theory he may grow out of them so we gradually took him off the meds and he never had another seizures.

But, its so important to get testing to rule out everything else. Your baby is young and needs to be diagnosed properly.

Cherie6446 08-20-2013 12:31 PM
Wow! 12 wks old - that is amazing. I'm happy for him that he out grew the problem. As I stated before, after Zoey gets her teeth done then I will see the neurologist.

AllDogBoots 08-20-2013 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie6446 (Post 4300086)
Wow! 12 wks old - that is amazing. I'm happy for him that he out grew the problem. As I stated before, after Zoey gets her teeth done then I will see the neurologist.
Actually it was 11 weeks old. I picked him up at 10 weeks old and 3 days later I was spending thousands at the hospital. Ahh....the joy of spending for a pet's medical care.

Sounds like you will do the best thing possible.


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