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Connie 05-03-2013 07:37 AM

Just checking in for an update on Tibbe! I hope and pray you slept well last night and are both feeling great this morning! *HUG*

sandy simpson 05-03-2013 08:32 AM

Very concerned about Tibbe, prayed alot for him and you. Hoping good results will come. Remember how tough dogs can be. He has you there comforting him, and I just pray that little dog will get over this problem. Also that you stay healthy and rested and are able to be by his side.

spiritwings1202 05-03-2013 08:48 AM

Sending prayers for. Tibbe, he has been on my heart and in my prayers.

yorkietalkjilly 05-03-2013 10:25 AM

Today Tibbe is better than yesterday though still sleeping mostly but vitals/gums all ok. He's eating half portions 3 x daily and smaller amounts every so often in between, drinking, peeing but haven't seen a poo yet. I think he did sneak one in because I rushed into the den when I thought I heard the phone ringing and when I came back, he was scratching his legs out behind him a bit. And his tummy is not all rounded out and hardish feeling as it is when he's constipated. I looked all through the grass but just couldn't find it where I saw him standing. The lawnguy couldn't do the grass yesterday because it was wet from rain so it is long and I could be overlooking. His tail is up today and he's a little more active when he is up. No dog-laughing or anything like his normal bounciness and joie de vivre but no more itching, restlessness and standing in the floor looking at me so sad. He's had 4 doses of Metro by now and needed none of his other Rx's. We both slept pretty well last night though the sneezing/stuffiness got me up a few times but he slept right through. I'll bet he feels so good to be rested and not so sick.

Thank you all again for the caring and kindnesses. I wish I could read them to Tibbe and make him understand. Hey, maybe I will - he's so smart he'd probably understand somehow.

spiritwings1202 05-03-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4203288)
Today Tibbe is better than yesterday though still sleeping mostly but vitals/gums all ok. He's eating half portions 3 x daily and smaller amounts every so often in between, drinking, peeing but haven't seen a poo yet. I think he did sneak one in because I rushed into the den when I thought I heard the phone ringing and when I came back, he was scratching his legs out behind him a bit. And his tummy is not all rounded out and hardish feeling as it is when he's constipated. I looked all through the grass but just couldn't find it where I saw him standing. The lawnguy couldn't do the grass yesterday because it was wet from rain so it is long and I could be overlooking. His tail is up today and he's a little more active when he is up. No dog-laughing or anything like his normal bounciness and joie de vivre but no more itching, restlessness and standing in the floor looking at me so sad. He's had 4 doses of Metro by now and needed none of his other Rx's. We both slept pretty well last night though the sneezing/stuffiness got me up a few times but he slept right through. I'll bet he feels so good to be rested and not so sick.

Thank you all again for the caring and kindnesses. I wish I could read them to Tibbe and make him understand. Hey, maybe I will - he's so smart he'd probably understand somehow.

So glad Tibbe is doing better today....my prayers are with you:)

yorkietalkjilly 05-03-2013 12:10 PM

Tibbe is standing on the back of the couch, I reached up to touch him and before I could, he gave me a high-five!!! It's a new trick he's only known for a few weeks and we haven't worked that much on it and he just did it on his own. :D :) :D :)

Patti 05-03-2013 12:15 PM

I am so glad Tibbe's is feeling better.

YazminD 05-03-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4203336)
Tibbe is standing on the back of the couch, I reached up to touch him and before I could, he gave me a high-five!!! It's a new trick he's only known for a few weeks and we haven't worked that much on it and he just did it on his own. :D :) :D :)

Whoo Hoo! You go Tibbe! :thumbup: Sounds like he's trying to let mommy know he's feeling better! ;)

MandiesMom 05-03-2013 01:26 PM

I am so happy to hear that Tibbe is feeling better today. I know that will help his mommy get some rest tonight! I'm praying for him, but I'm praying for YOU, too, Jeanie. I want you to take care of yourself and eat and rest ok?

Now, Kudos on the high-five trick!! You need to share your technique in teaching that trick. It was really easy (wasn't even trying at first really) to teach Shelby high-five. Mandie is so different. I try to teach her with a treat but she will only do a trick if the treat is in my hand. Therefore, I have to use the hand holding the treat to pick up her paw to high five my other hand. Wellllll...that just gets her going after my hand with the treat in it. lol So, I'm very jealous that you have taught Tibbe this maneuver! :D

yorkietalkjilly 05-03-2013 02:45 PM

Sure, Terri - this is generally how I train it. There are many ways and no doubt better ones.

For advanced tricks such is a high five you start with a shake, which most dogs will start out by offering a paw when you have a treat in your fist. They raise the leg to paw, you say "yes", praise/treat/repeat. No more than 5 minutes per session and stop sooner if the dog loses interest. Keep it light, fun and praise in a high, squeaky voice that all dogs love. Just keep doing that until the dog is raising that paw every time and then start saying "Shake" as soon as they start to raise the paw and begin to open your hand to receive it as a pawshake. As soon as the paw touches the palm, say "yes", praise/treat/repeat. Keep on working that up to 5 mins/loss of interest.

When you want to advance to the "High Five" or more sophisticated tricks, those are harder in that you have to encourage/catch a behavior you want happening, mark it with a word, praise/treat right then w/in 3 - 8 seconds. Usually these little guys just work for treats and for a short time. The trick here is to only train the dog when he is hungry before mealtime. Have that in one hand and with the other hand, place in high up above or just at the dog's head. He will be excited to get that treat and raise his paw way up instead of just out in front. When that raised paw touches your outstretched palm, that's the first big step! "Mark" behavior that you want in your dog's mind by saying "yes"(it works like a clicker) as soon as they do what you want and treat, smile, praise. Keep reinforcing that behavior with a "mark" and praise/treat - even if it takes 50 times to get there again. Keep working until they do it again - even if it is 3 or 4 sessions down the road before they do do it again but these little guys are so animated, they offer behaviors all the time. If really hungry and ready to eat, they will paw high up to touch your palm. Mark it, treat/praise instantly and keep repeating and marking the high reach and praise/treating, squeaking your "yessss" and smiling really big. Keep on practicing until he does it. Tibbe got it almost instantly as he's conditioned to extend himself if he doesn't know for sure what I'm wanting when learning a new trick so he keeps offering behaviors he thinks I might be wanting and sooner or later, he hits on the right one to work from and mark.

Here's a very slightly different way. I start by getting them to shake and then turn my hand so that it is vertical and facing the dog but low down in front of the dog. A dog that knows how to shake sees your hand before it and just starts to shake hands. Just move your palm to touch the base of the paw and say "yes" when it does, praise/treat/repeat. You dog will keep trying to shake and you will meet the paw with your palm touching it and saying "yes" each time the pad touches your palm - even it it takes a lot of tries over a little time. Keep at it and start to slowly raise up your palm higher up before the dog so that he has to raise his paw more. Yes, praise/treat/repeat until he raises his paw up to actually touch your palm higher up - no matter if it takes 10 repetitions or more before he does or he wanders off and you have to stop, try later. Keep working on it that way and when your palm is high up and the dog is touching your palm with the pawpad high up like a high-five, start saying "High-five" just before the paw raises - just as you see he's starting to raise the leg. Yes when the touch happens then praise/treat/repeat until it happens again - pad to palm up high - and then with the next attempted raise say "high-five", yes with the touch, then praise/treat/repeat. Each time the dog actually touches the pad to your elevated palm, mark it with the yes, praise/treat/repeat and the next time after the successful high-five you just did is when you name it again - "High five!" - as that paw starts up. It should happen twice in succession fairly soon after that and before too much longer, every time. You can then start to drop the "yes" and just go with "High five!" and the dog respond by raising the paw high up to pad/palm you. Double treats a few times when you see he's really getting it. Just keep working that way.

If you want to add something else, such as the other paw high-fiving, offer your left hand to the other paw for a shake and start over as you did above and repeat it all from above, ignoring all of the other side high-fives you will be getting until your dog gets the "Left High-five" or whatever you want to call the dog high-fiving your left palm. Your dog will get it wrong lots and lots of times but if he's really ready for dinner, sooner or later, he'll put up the opposite paw and you mark it and go from there. That's it. No doubt you will get other ways offered to train this and just use what works best for you and your dog. :)

dottiesyrky 05-03-2013 02:53 PM

Tibbe
 
So happy for you and Tibbe. Hope tonight is a good night again and the tests etc will soon be over. Get well soon dear Tibbe.

MyDearSam 05-03-2013 02:59 PM

Aww. So glad Tibbe is feeling better! How are your sniffles? Hopefully you can get on an effective treatment path for him and he won't have to go through any more episodes like he's had this week.

Seriously, you should write a book on training methods! The way you explain things makes it seem like the most hopeless pet parent can mold their little one's behavior - instead of the other way around!

navillusc 05-03-2013 03:03 PM

I am glad to head that Tibbe is feeling better. Kudos on the "High Five" as well! :D

yorkietalkjilly 05-03-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MyDearSam (Post 4203416)
Aww. So glad Tibbe is feeling better! How are your sniffles? Hopefully you can get on an effective treatment path for him and he won't have to go through any more episodes like he's had this week.

Seriously, you should write a book on training methods! The way you explain things makes it seem like the most hopeless pet parent can mold their little one's behavior - instead of the other way around!

Oh, my sneezing/light cold is just stress-related and my body rebelling. I'm fine.

Haha. An editor would fall over dead at my instructions. You know how they are. No way anyone would publish that mess and who in the world would take the time to read it? But I do like to lay it out moment by moment and bit by bit for those that are unsure what to do if the dog doesn't get it right or something. Tibbe loves to train - but he sure expects to be "paid" for it with a treat each time he gets it right. And when he wants something, he'll get down in front of me and do a bunch of his tricks all on his own. Some call it throwing behaviors when they do their tricks to get you to do something for them. It is so cute.

sandy simpson 05-03-2013 05:34 PM

Yeah Tibbe! It sounds like he is better! I sure thought about him alot today. I am so happy, Jeanie for you. He is your love and companion and I am thankful you have him home and he is on the back of the couch! Keep us posted on his recovery and how he is doing. I just love hearing about this darling little Yorkie-personality plus!

MomtoJasper 05-03-2013 06:24 PM

Sounds like Tibbe is pretty smart knowing how to get those treats. Lol When I get Jasper a treat now he automatically "sits" before I have a chance to say it. So....going to move on ti the next trick. Haven't decided on which one though. :)

A book would be great...id buy it and read it!!! :D

Hope you both sleep well and big man feels tons better tomorrow!!

Connie 05-03-2013 07:22 PM

Such good news to hear that Tibbe is feeling better, and that also makes you feel better. Thinking of you and Tibbe and praying he recover fully!

MomtoJasper 05-04-2013 04:31 AM

Just looking for an update on you and Tibbe this morning. Hope you both slept good and that he feels better this morning.

sandy simpson 05-04-2013 05:50 AM

Had to check my mail before my walk to see how Tibbe is doing. I hope you both have a beautiful day! Healing prayers over Tibbe to continue getting better.

Verbena 05-04-2013 05:56 AM

Checking to see how Tibbe is this morning. Hugs

MandiesMom 05-04-2013 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MyDearSam (Post 4203416)
Aww. So glad Tibbe is feeling better! How are your sniffles? Hopefully you can get on an effective treatment path for him and he won't have to go through any more episodes like he's had this week.

Seriously, you should write a book on training methods! The way you explain things makes it seem like the most hopeless pet parent can mold their little one's behavior - instead of the other way around!

:thumbup: You really do explain this stuff so well! Thank you for that explanation. I will start trying. You mentioned "catch the act" or something like that...that is exactly how I taught Shelby - he just was pawing at me and I stuck my hand up in the air and hit is paw. I said, "High Five! Good Boy!"

So, I get what you are saying.

How is Tibbe Boy doing this Saturday morning?

Wylie's Mom 05-04-2013 06:41 AM

Just wanting to drop off some love and hugs, and positive thoughts. :love:

yorkietalkjilly 05-04-2013 11:06 AM

Thank you all again for the support and caring!!! Tibbs isn't feeling that well this morning, not playing, ears out to the sides, tail out straight behind instead of up but at least not clamped down. He's just lying around and looking sad. I haven't seen his little Yorkie devil fire in his eyes in a week or more. He had his morning dose of Metronidazole but wouldn't eat a thing afterward. Finally I soaked 1/5 cup of the Hill's I/D GI kibble in water and then microwaved it about 4 minutes of so, cooled it and put about a teaspoonful on a little plate. About 9:40 am he went and ate that himself - first time he's eaten without handfeeding in days! Back to bed for him and then about two hours later, he ate almost the entire rest of the 1/5 cup of kibble all on his own and back to bed. He's not drunk any water except what he got in his food so watching that. Vitals/gums ok. I still haven't observed a poo but I know he's done one as his tummy gets very rounded out and firm when he's constipated. It's been so cold I will step back into the Utility Porch when he goes out and that must be when he does his biz. But he's easy to diagnose when he's constipated from that tummy.

I don't hear any gas or tummy sounds so I'm guessing it's his disease and/or the Metro that is making him so lethargic. He's got his strength, comes up and down his doggie steps normally and still barks when I say "garbage truck" and jumps to the back of the couch against the den window sill barking and growling but lies back down after a while. I've just made him some more microwaved kibble for later and we'll just take it easy today and see what happens.

I've got some reading to do today, tomorrow and Monday that lisaly/Lisa suggested from the University of Tennessee's College of Veterinary Medicine website all about shunts, MVD, etc. She's been doing a lot of research on all this and reading and amazed me with all that she knows about these disease processes! And her Katie doesn't even have it - she's just educating herself on it all! She just had all this information ready to go for me out of the blue! She totally astounded me.

I am scared to know all about it but really can't wait to learn how these disease processes work and hope that by the time we get the scintigraphy results, I can know about what they will probably show and can know about what the vets will be telling me. I have dreaded the day that I had to learn all about this but now's the time. Thank you again, Lisa, for the excellent links to the highly credible and authoritative source material I need to read! You saved me at the very least hours and hours of searching and reading. And how would I know for the longest time which sites had the most widely-recognized and peer-reviewed articles, literature and research reports? It would take days. My eyes would be done for and I'd still be searching.

I will post those website links here later myself so YT will have these links, too, even though maybe one or more of them have been posted before in other threads sometime. That way anyone reading this or Tibbe's other thread with a pup they suspect is having similar problems can read all this excellent information too from vets doing what sounds like the most respected work and research in the field.

dottiesyrky 05-04-2013 11:40 AM

Tibbe
 
So sorry little Tibbe is not having a good day today. The good news is that he is eating, even if his appetite isn't the best, and hydrated. He is still reacting to things that annoy him, trucks etc, so still has plenty of spark, and is so so much better than last week before the vet visit.
He is still sick with something and I wonder what it was that perked him up so much after the vet visit? The Metro could be making him a little off color and possibly nauseated. Perhaps a shot of Cerenia may improve his tummy?
The roller coaster you are on now is very distressing for you and Tibbe, but the scintigraphy test hopefully will allow a definite diagnosis so that he can be successfully treated.
You are such a great and attentive Mom and nowhere could the little guy get better nursing and love.
It was nice of Lisa to do all that research about the diseases to save you the task of finding it out. I can see that reading all about the issue can be daunting also, but understanding the disease process is important....and knowledge is power! I know that you would want to know all so you could better care for Tibbe.
Thoughts and prayers for Tibbe and you, and may he soon be on the way to his healthy self again.

yorkietalkjilly 05-04-2013 01:33 PM

Have read 4 of Lisa's links and am shaking like a leaf. Have looked up endless illustrations to try to get a visual, too, of each of these formations, etc. Can't really find a good illustration of a cross-section of the liver with polysystemic shunts yet though. Going to rest my eyes and hold my Tibbe.

sandy simpson 05-04-2013 03:02 PM

You are doing an amazing job taking care of Tibbe. You will learn so much from this experience and you will be able to help others going through this same tough time. Bless you for sharing with us and keeping us posted even though you must be so tired and upset over sweet Tibbe. I hope all will get better real soon.

spiritwings1202 05-04-2013 03:30 PM

praying for Tibbe, I am so sorry that you are going through this, I am keeping you on my prayer list.

yorkietalkjilly 05-04-2013 03:53 PM

Well, I finished reading all of the links Lisa sent and even did some more searching and reading and looking at lots of illustrations. Have a pretty good basic understanding of shunt/MVD, etc., signs/SX., diagnostic techniques, treatments, etc. That is scary and horrible reading but I needed to know it.

ANYONE WHO BREEDS YORKIES WITHOUT GETTING BAT's ON PARENTS IS RISKING THEM AND ALL THEIR PUPPIES AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED. At least that's how is seems to me right now from what I've read and the misery I've seen with Tibbe. And I now know there are acquired shunts and all that - but it sounds as if the majority of these diseases in the majority of Yorkies come from poor breeding practices, one of which is failing to properly test their breeders.

Maximo 05-04-2013 04:33 PM

I'm sorry to hear Tibbe isn't feeling well today. It's impossible not to worry when it comes to any health problem, but take comfort in knowing that there are so many pups here who have been successfully treated for shunt, MVD, and related issues. When do you go for the scintography?

Sending gentle hugs to your little boy.

MomtoJasper 05-04-2013 04:49 PM

I'm also sorry Tibbe isn't feeling well today. You set such a good example for all of us. I haven't been here long, but I can tell you have a heart of gold and love your little boy with all you have. I am continuing to pray for both of you. Hugs!


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