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As for a diagnosis on this pup....I still think that a specialist is in order...and imho a cardiac one since other things have been ruled out. Syncope is a symptom that warrants finding out the cause. |
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There are those of us on here that, for whatever reasons, have a lot of knowledge about different disease processes, events, etc...some of us have wonderful equipment at our disposal, that can give us additional information.....but we must NEVER forget....all we know, and all we compile as information that may help diagnose, we are NOT vets...even those of us who have been "vet techs"....(I was a vet tech back before they even existed as such, 1965-70)....we are NOT vets and we MUST know our limitations. The more we know, the more knowledge we have, the more careful we have to be about knowing when to stop and take information we have, to VETS. Use you knowledge to recognize when a specialist is needed, as I think it is in this case. With the knowledge I have about what could be causing these symptoms, I would waste NO MORE time Googling, trying to self diagnose and treat, and I would already be at a vet school, seeing specialists, that KNOW what they are doing, they are not digging around looking for all it COULD be, they take the information they can get from exam and tests and they KNOW what is happening, and they CAN DEVELOP A PLAN OF TREATMENT. Please dont let it get to be too late for your baby.... |
This situation is way too serious to be self diagnosing or self treating |
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So sorry to hear of that you poor baby is going through these disturbing symptoms. Hope there is a definitive diagnosis and cure soon. Stupid me has a question! I have had a Holter monitor myself and wonder how they technically do this test on a hairy and active dog? Do they have remote wireless output or are the data recorded for later analysis? Also is it really the case that no info can be gleaned from a resting EKG? I have had a few wasted tests if that is so. LOL! Thank you. |
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A Holter is better than a 5 minute ECG because it shows what the heart is doing over a 24 hour period. . There is a record kept by the owner and the things noted are compared to the events shown on the read out. There is nothing wrong with doing an ECG...it is a great tool but if you have a pup that is having intermittent problems then often a Holter is needed. |
Thank you, I am glad that dogs tolerate the Holter so well. I understand why a Holter vs a snap EKG, but one poster i believe suggested that an EKG was a waste of time. Thanks again. |
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Oh, I just saw that....I think she meant that if it is an intermittent issue, then ECG is probably not going to show it. |
Ekg Even with intermittent issues (such as arrhythmias for example), usually MDs do the simpler test first then the more complex ones? Worth a shot as a first test anyway? Sorry to temporarily hijack the thread! |
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OP: Any news on your pup today? Kind of hoping you have spoken to your vet about seeing a cardiologist... |
To clarify my other post: Resting EKGs on humans can and often do, show no abnormalities...it is when the patient is "stressed" (ie connected to 12 lead ekg and then either chemically stressed or put on a treadmill and exercised until heart rates reach specific rates and/ or arrhythemias begin to occur)..., that T waves drop or flip, rhythm and rate disturbances become evident. If you have a heart issue that is just beginning, more often than not, a resting EKG will not be able to see any abnormalities, because your heart is not challenged. I was referring to EKGs more on humans, than your pup....For humans and pets, a holter monitor that is worn over several days continously, will catch abnormalities, whereas one shot taken over the span of 3 minutes on a simple EKG, will probably not reveal anything UNLESS damage has already been done, or if your baby happens to pass out right at the time the resting EKG is being one. |
Ekg Understand all that, but surely worth a first shot with a dog who cannot give info as to how he feels and has an unknown disease? As a human who has been through all the many and various cardio tests (from EKG thru' echo, Holter, nuclear stress test etc) for an intermittent and infrequent symptom, I wonder why every follow up visit the specialist does just an EKG?? I will ask next time. Again apologies for the sidetrack. Hoping the OP's baby gets well soon. |
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Thank you for your input re my cardiac issues.. Like you I pray the poor baby gets correctly diagnosed and treated soon. |
Checking in for an update on this baby.......? |
I think you need a second opinion from a different VET. |
Hello My little dog spent the whole Friday at the vet having heart tests, etc... We already knew from the 2 previous x-rays her heart wasn't enlarged. The vet was able to stimulate a fainting incidents twice while attached to the monitors (he fed her), and her heart rate didn't even drop a single beat, so we've ruled out a heart problem. He is 99% sure that she has developed narcolepsy, with cataplexy, and the fact that she is having these incidents while eating is sending stomach acid into her nasal passages, causing the respiratory symptoms. So now she is on medication for reflux, and we are controlling her eating, to avoid more passing out episodes. She is sounding so much better today. What a relief! She's going for a check up on Wednesday. Just want to thank everyone for all the support! :) |
Sick baby Thanks so much for the update. Poor baby having to endure all those tests, but great that the vet was able to bring on the fainting while there. At last a diagnosis!! (WTG Maximo who suggested this early on). What a complex sequence of events causing the breathing issues. Praying that the reflux treatment eases her tummy and thus her breathing, and that her eating can be adjusted to stop the fainting. You must be so happy to find the reason for your little baby's problems and hopefully to prevent the attacks. Good Luck and get well soon baby. |
So glad to hear it isn't her heart! I'm glad to hear she has been diagnosed and is improving. |
Absolutely fantastic job the vets did! Congratulations on a diagnosis! NOW, your baby can get the treatment needed!!! |
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The controlling her eating to avoid excitement - how do you do that? |
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Thank you everyone. my little pup is doing much better, her breathing isn't 100 % yet, but I'm sure it will be in a few days, her tummy isn't as hard, because she's breathing easier, and isn't swallowing air. We haven't had an episode since we've figured out how to control the eating. |
So glad she's doing better! |
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