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Specs 01-31-2013 09:27 AM
Yorkie Chorkie with probable liver shunt
 
Toby is a 4 year old (11.5 lb) Chorkie who was until recently extremely healthy. He started chin rubbing, rear leg twitching, lip licking episodes and then would return to his normal happy self. We learned through bile acid blood work that he probably has a liver shunt. We are now managing this medically with lactulose, neomycin and low protein hepatic dry dog food. Has anyone had long term success with this illness by transitioning to a balanced, proven home made diet including the correct supplements?

MandiesMom 01-31-2013 01:26 PM
I don't have any experience in this area but I wanted to bump your thread up for folks to see.

Praying for your little one.

Buster Brown 01-31-2013 01:47 PM
Hi and welcome to YT. So sorry to hear about your baby's diagnosis. I know that I have read threads about people managing LS with diet and medications. If you use the search function on the upper bar and seach liver shunt you will find threads where members have discussed their Yorkies issues and how they manged their diet and care.
Sending prayers and best wishes to you and Toby.

ladyjane 01-31-2013 01:56 PM
I am no expert in this but I don't believe the odds are really good treating a liver shunt that way. The best odds I believe are with surgery.
I saw one person do it and the dog ended up with multiple shunts and other medical issues. Very sad.
I am sure others will contribute to this thread with their personal experiences.

kjc 01-31-2013 02:18 PM
Hi and Welcome to YT!

What type of food and water bowls does he eat and drink from?

kjc 01-31-2013 03:57 PM
Sorry... I have to go soon... the symptoms your describe sound like a plastics toxicity (starts with chin rubbing) from a sensitivity to chemicals that leech out into the food and water from plastic food bowls. If these are liver toxic, it can give high liver enzyme bloodwork results, and will also give high Bile Acids results. A positive BAT does not always mean the dog has a Liver Shunt.

If you can post his bloodwork and BAT results it would be helpful.

To answer your question... there would be no difference whether you use a formulated manufactured diet or homecook... but if homecooking... I would get an approved diet from a nutritionist.

Specs 01-31-2013 04:44 PM
Thanks
 
This reply is for kjc....thanks funny you should say that cause our dog did eat out of plastic bowls but we have since given him stainless steel bowls. Do you know where I can find any more info about plastics toxisity?

kjc 01-31-2013 05:32 PM
http://www.squidoo.com/safe-healthy-dog-bowls

and this is concerning people, but if it isn't safe for me, it's not safe for my dogs...

Step 5: Be Wise With Plastics | The 5 Easy Steps | Healthy Child Healthy World

kjc 01-31-2013 06:03 PM
Also with any kind of liver problem, I'd get him on Denamarin... found at the vet's or online... it's a nutroceutical.... liver protectant plus.

ladyjane 01-31-2013 09:30 PM
I obviously misread this ... so your pup is not definitively diagnosed with a shunt. Isn't the vet recommending other tests? I would definitely want a diagnosis rather than simply guessing the treatment for the unknown condition. Perhaps an internal med specialist might be good to see.

lillymae 01-31-2013 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Specs (Post 4121385)
Toby is a 4 year old (11.5 lb) Chorkie who was until recently extremely healthy. He started chin rubbing, rear leg twitching, lip licking episodes and then would return to his normal happy self. We learned through bile acid blood work that he probably has a liver shunt. We are now managing this medically with lactulose, neomycin and low protein hepatic dry dog food. Has anyone had long term success with this illness by transitioning to a balanced, proven home made diet including the correct supplements?
The symptoms you describe here are also that of a Chiari malformation & could also explain why the liver enzymes are off.

Specs 02-01-2013 03:36 AM
Wow thanks! Very good to know!

Specs 02-01-2013 03:40 AM
I am very new to this site? Can anyone tell me how to answer someone right within their message and not at the bottom of the page?

enchilila 02-01-2013 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Specs (Post 4122042)
I am very new to this site? Can anyone tell me how to answer someone right within their message and not at the bottom of the page?
Just click the "quote" button at the bottom (underneath) of their message. :)

Specs 02-01-2013 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by enchilila (Post 4122045)
Just click the "quote" button at the bottom (underneath) of their message. :)
Ok got it! Thanks so much!


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