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lillymae 02-24-2011 09:49 PM
Praying your baby will be fine. I am going to ask a silly question now but maybe not so silly. Have you checked her Bum & Anals ? Maybe she is having pain somewhere that's not associated with the eye thing at all.

QuickSilver 02-24-2011 09:56 PM
I hope she recovers quickly and your vet can provide you with some answers.

I believe I just read that to test for pancreatitis, a dog will try to bite you if you press with moderate pressure on either side of the spine, in front of the hip bones.

ladyjane 02-24-2011 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3441725)
I hope she recovers quickly and your vet can provide you with some answers.

I believe I just read that to test for pancreatitis, a dog will try to bite you if you press with moderate pressure on either side of the spine, in front of the hip bones.
I saw that post and it is something I have never heard of! I have had pups with pancreatitis...both my own and my fosters and I have never been bitten nor have I ever had a vet use that as a diagnostic tool.

Rhetts_mama 02-25-2011 06:58 AM
Talked to the vet this morning. Scarlett's baseline glucose was normal. They'll do serial tests all day. They've sent off her other bloodwork. She says it's possible she has something called Shaker Puppy Syndrome.

She doesn't think that the eyes are connected, but she's leaning towards a condition called Corneal Dystrophy which is an inherited disease. There is no treatment. It can be mild or can progress to the point where she loses her eye sight. I'm so scaredfor her right now.

BonBon 02-25-2011 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3441919)
Talked to the vet this morning. Scarlett's baseline glucose was normal. They'll do serial tests all day. They've sent off her other bloodwork. She says it's possible she has something called Shaker Puppy Syndrome.

She doesn't think that the eyes are connected, but she's leaning towards a condition called Corneal Dystrophy which is an inherited disease. There is no treatment. It can be mild or can progress to the point where she loses her eye sight. I'm so scaredfor her right now.
I'm just now seeing this thread. I'm sorry little Scarlett isn't feeling well. She's still very young isn't she?

Shaker Puppy Syndrome sounds familiar. Is it a type of seizure? If so, can it be treated with something like Phenobarbital, or does it require any treatment?

I'm sending lots of prayers for Scarlett on this issue and on her eyes. When will they know more?

Hugs for you both,
Bonny

AllDogBoots 02-25-2011 07:44 AM
I'm so sorry. They are saying it's 2 completely separate unrelated conditions?

ladyjane 02-25-2011 07:48 AM
Continued prayers for Scarlett.

BlueBelle 02-25-2011 07:48 AM
oh so sorry
 
That is really scarey stuff. Hate to see them shaking and it could be from pain. Best wishes and prayers from Alpharetta!

107barney 02-25-2011 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3441919)
Talked to the vet this morning. Scarlett's baseline glucose was normal. They'll do serial tests all day. They've sent off her other bloodwork. She says it's possible she has something called Shaker Puppy Syndrome.

She doesn't think that the eyes are connected, but she's leaning towards a condition called Corneal Dystrophy which is an inherited disease. There is no treatment. It can be mild or can progress to the point where she loses her eye sight. I'm so scaredfor her right now.

Shaken Puppy Syndrome is usually something that can improve with age. It is a hypomyelnating disorder of the central immune system. Personally, I'd see a board certified neurologist for an exact diagnosis on this kind of thing and to see if an MRI and CSF test is the way to proceed. There are many differential diagnoses, one of which is Cerebellar Hypoplasia - Teddy has this condition and it has been noted in the Yorkshire Terrier. Teddy has tremors that increase upon excitement and disappear/diminish at rest. Here is a link to hypomyelating disorders in the Merck Vet manual Merck Veterinary Manual

Prayers for scarlett!

Ladymom 02-25-2011 08:28 AM
Please, please take Scarlett to an ophthalmologist. Lady had a white spot on her eye a few years ago and it turned out to be an infection. Fortunately, I took her to the ophthalmologist right away so it was able to be treated with topical drops. It had only slightly penetrated the surface of her eye. Any deeper and she would have needed surgery to remove it.

ladyjane 02-25-2011 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3441997)
Please, please take Scarlett to an ophthalmologist. Lady had a white spot on her eye a few years ago and it turned out to be an infection. Fortunately, I took her to the ophthalmologist right away so it was able to be treated with topical drops. It had only slightly penetrated the surface of her eye. Any deeper and she would have needed surgery to remove it.
I agree that she should go to an opthamologist, but her vet said it is not an infection/ulcer. I would hope he did a stain before he made that determination.

Ladymom 02-25-2011 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3442001)
I agree that she should go to an opthamologist, but her vet said it is not an infection/ulcer. I would hope he did a stain before he made that determination.
My vet ruled out an ulcer and infection, too. Thank heavens we agreed that Lady needed to see her ophthalmologist. Regular vets don't have the training and equipment to diagnose and treat more than just the basic eye problems.

In Lady's case, her ophthalmologist scraped the white spot and cultured it to determine that it was an infection.

When it comes to eyes, it's always best to consult an ophthalmologist IMO.

ladyjane 02-25-2011 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3442006)
My vet ruled out an ulcer and infection, too. Thank heavens we agreed that Lady needed to see her ophthalmologist. Regular vets don't have the training and equipment to diagnose and treat more than just the basic eye problems.

In Lady's case, her ophthalmologist scraped the white spot and cultured it to determine that it was an infection.

When it comes to eyes, it's always best to consult an ophthalmologist IMO.

Well, I guess I am just fortunate to have an excellent vet. I had one a couple of years ago and it was on a Friday afternoon that I saw my vet.. .. too late for the specialist. I saw the specialist on Monday and he told me that my vet had saved the pup's eye.
I forget sometimes that not everyone has great vetting. A regular vet "should" be able to diagnose an infection/ulcer on a pup's eye.
There again, as I said in my above post, I DO agree the opthamologist should be seen. I was merely commenting that it should not be an ulcer if the vet examined it...but again....you are right..some are not great diagnosticians. Always better safe that sorry.

Ladymom 02-25-2011 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3442011)
Well, I guess I am just fortunate to have an excellent vet. I had one a couple of years ago and it was on a Friday afternoon that I saw my vet.. .. too late for the specialist. I saw the specialist on Monday and he told me that my vet had saved the pup's eye.
I forget sometimes that not everyone has great vetting. A regular vet "should" be able to diagnose an infection/ulcer on a pup's eye.
There again, as I said in my above post, I DO agree the opthamologist should be seen. I was merely commenting that it should not be an ulcer if the vet examined it...but again....you are right..some are not great diagnosticians. Always better safe that sorry.
This is what Lady had. I remember her ophthalmologist saying that it was fairly common in horses since their eyes protrude and are prone to injury. They often can't be diagnosed with a stain.

Stromal abscesses appear as painful white or yellow areas within the cornea - they often do not stain with fluorescein unlike corneal ulcers.

Stromal Abscess (Cornea)

In Lady's case, it was just a small white spot on her eye, not huge like the picture of the horse's eye. I am so glad I took her to the ophthalmologist! They are also quite painful.

ladyjane 02-25-2011 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3442020)
This is what Lady had. I remember her ophthalmologist saying that it was fairly common in horses since their eyes protrude and are prone to injury. They often can't be diagnosed with a stain.

Stromal abscesses appear as painful white or yellow areas within the cornea - they often do not stain with fluorescein unlike corneal ulcers.

Stromal Abscess (Cornea)

In Lady's case, it was just a small white spot on her eye, not huge like the picture of the horse's eye. I am so glad I took her to the ophthalmologist! They are also quite painful.
Yes, they do get nasty and they are painful. If caught early they respond to treatment .. and no they do not look like that pic on that link in the beginning. I just have had many and have never had my vet miss one is all I am saying. :)


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