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kjc 06-30-2010 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 143julz (Post 3181256)


Do share about the coconut oil, am i missing something???
Here's a link (these are benefits for people, there are other links for pets but that reseach is still in early stages):

Coconut Research Center Home Page

And just some of the basics: It is antibacterial, antifungal, can be taken internally or used topically, great for skin, hair, digestion, helps expel internal parasites inc giardia, kills bacterial that causes tooth decay and periodontal disease....etc. :D

kjc 06-30-2010 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3181118)
Couldn't I just go back to brushing his teeth? I've really used it on/off for 6 weeks - not quite the recommended amount.
Yes, no problem! Brushing is fine.

AllDogBoots 06-30-2010 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ezekiel Jute (Post 3181535)
This doesn't have anything to do with your post BUT your main pictures is so so cute!! Such a cute smile!:)
Thank you.

I think Cooper did a little better last night. Either that or I just slept hard. I heard his mouth a little bit but it certainly wasn't an all night continual event. I did not give any Benadryl as I wanted to see if not giving the Leba III made a difference. I'll have to test one thing at a time.

ladyjane 06-30-2010 05:53 AM
I am just seeing this. Interesting thread. I agree that it sounds like the Leba III might be what is causing it.

Honestly, I stick with only the following things with my pups:
teeth brushing
CET AquaDent in their water
dentals yearly as needed, which usually IS yearly


I had heard from a couple of people that the AquaDent worked for them...so I started
using it a year ago. This year, three of my pups did not need dentals in February which is when I always do all of them. They are all starting now to get some tartar, so they will need dentals in the next month or two; but the point is, there was improvement!

AllDogBoots 06-30-2010 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3181744)
I am just seeing this. Interesting thread. I agree that it sounds like the Leba III might be what is causing it.

Honestly, I stick with only the following things with my pups:
teeth brushing
CET AquaDent in their water
dentals yearly as needed, which usually IS yearly


I had heard from a couple of people that the AquaDent worked for them...so I started
using it a year ago. This year, three of my pups did not need dentals in February which is when I always do all of them. They are all starting now to get some tartar, so they will need dentals in the next month or two; but the point is, there was improvement!
The reason I started using Leba III was that I was explaining to my vet a couple of months ago that I was having difficulty brushing his teeth and not quite sure it was doing anything. Both vets in the practice suggested Leba III so I tried it. Cooper has never had a dental. He just turned 2. He has a little bit of tartar but the vet said nothing needed to be done at this time. I always have her check his teeth and she always says they are fine.

ladyjane 06-30-2010 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3181750)
The reason I started using Leba III was that I was explaining to my vet a couple of months ago that I was having difficulty brushing his teeth and not quite sure it was doing anything. Both vets in the practice suggested Leba III so I tried it. Cooper has never had a dental. He just turned 2. He has a little bit of tartar but the vet said nothing needed to be done at this time. I always have her check his teeth and she always says they are fine.

If this problem turns out not to be Leba III, I would love some updates about how you feel about this product.

I had not heard of it before. Just did some reading online, but most of what I see is their advertisements. Might be a good thing, though....because I don't see anything negative!

How is Cooper today?

AllDogBoots 06-30-2010 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3181753)
If this problem turns out not to be Leba III, I would love some updates about how you feel about this product.

I had not heard of it before. Just did some reading online, but most of what I see is their advertisements. Might be a good thing, though....because I don't see anything negative!

How is Cooper today?
I haven't read anything negative about Leba III, except that KJC pointed out in an old thread that someone's dentist did not recommend it because of the alcohol content. That's the only reason i'm assuming it's drying Cooper's mouth out and causing the behavior.

Cooper seems fine. He never seems sick or anything. It's just that in the middle of the night I hear his mouth going. Last night either he did it less or I slept great. Today he seems fine but he typically doesn't do this behavior unless he's sleeping in bed.

ladyjane 06-30-2010 06:11 AM
Just a note about the CET Aquadent:

I do realize it has xylitol in it...and dont suggest to anyone that they take my word in using it. Do your own research before thinking about using it!

Mysweetbabies 06-30-2010 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3181766)
Just a note about the CET Aquadent:

I do realize it has xylitol in it...and dont suggest to anyone that they take my word in using it. Do your own research before thinking about using it!
I use the CET that your spray in their mouth. It doesn't contain xylitol. Wonder why one has xylitol in it and the other doesn't?:confused:

kjc 07-01-2010 06:15 AM
Just checking in for an update. How's the Cooper dude sleeping? Any better?
The Leba III changes the chemistry in the mouth to make it unfriendly for the tooth destoying bacteria. Might make him feel like we do after using Listerine or something???

AllDogBoots 07-01-2010 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3182889)
Just checking in for an update. How's the Cooper dude sleeping? Any better?
The Leba III changes the chemistry in the mouth to make it unfriendly for the tooth destoying bacteria. Might make him feel like we do after using Listerine or something???
He's no longer doing this behavior during the day. I heard some mouth movements last night in bed so he's still doing it. I've been telling him "no, go to sleep" and he stops & zonks out. I don't really think it's a medical issue other than possible dry mouth from the Leba III. It only happens in the middle of the night now when he's sleeping, or wakes up from sleeping. I can remove him from the bedroom, take him potty and all is fine. It's so bizarre.

It still could be something in the bedroom, like dust mites but at this point I really don't know. He has no other signs of allergies or health issues at all.

kjc 07-01-2010 06:39 AM
Maybe give it a few more days to resolve, as you're seeing improvement during the day. When and how often were you applying the LebaIII?

This just reminded me... my little Peek a Boo went through a period where he would make suckling noises in his sleep! I woke up thinking what the heck? And I watched him for a few minutes and lips and tongue were moving in such a way like a puppy suckling on it's mom! He was around 7 or 8 years old at the time. I guess he was just dreaming of being with his mom ... or early onset of senility and going through a second childhood?:eek:

AllDogBoots 07-01-2010 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3182915)
Maybe give it a few more days to resolve, as you're seeing improvement during the day. When and how often were you applying the LebaIII?

This just reminded me... my little Peek a Boo went through a period where he would make suckling noises in his sleep! I woke up thinking what the heck? And I watched him for a few minutes and lips and tongue were moving in such a way like a puppy suckling on it's mom! He was around 7 or 8 years old at the time. I guess he was just dreaming of being with his mom ... or early onset of senility and going through a second childhood?:eek:
I was giving him the recommended dose of 6 drops 2x per day. Last dosage was 2 days ago. I would assume it's no longer in his system.

Your story is funny! My vet said maybe Cooper is just talking in his sleep:rolleyes:

kjc 07-01-2010 07:35 AM
Just some tips for tooth brushing:

1. Use an enzymatic tooth paste for pets. The enzymes work to clean the teeth even when you're done brushing.

2. If your dog won't accept a toothbrush in his mouth, apply the enzymatic toothpaste with a Q-tip, or experiment with different size/types brushes.

3. Be patient, and relax. The enzymes in the toothpaste will work even without brushing. If your pup has a lot of plaque on his teeth, you won't get it all off in one sitting. It may take weeks even months to clean up their mouth. But each time will get better, just don't stress to much over it. Your pup will pick up on your anxiety. Make it fun!

AllDogBoots 07-01-2010 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3182950)
Just some tips for tooth brushing:

1. Use an enzymatic tooth paste for pets. The enzymes work to clean the teeth even when you're done brushing.

2. If your dog won't accept a toothbrush in his mouth, apply the enzymatic toothpaste with a Q-tip, or experiment with different size/types brushes.

3. Be patient, and relax. The enzymes in the toothpaste will work even without brushing. If your pup has a lot of plaque on his teeth, you won't get it all off in one sitting. It may take weeks even months to clean up their mouth. But each time will get better, just don't stress to much over it. Your pup will pick up on your anxiety. Make it fun!
I have and have used Enzadent with the finger brush. My vet told me to make a game out of it. Cooper enjoys it but I just don't feel like I'm really doing a whole lot. I rub, and he bites on the brush while i'm doing it. I can't imagine how I could do it more effectively.

Leba III says you cannot use any other dental product while using Leba III. I'll give it a few more days before I start brushing.

AllDogBoots 07-03-2010 06:54 AM
I want to update everyone. We stopped the Leba III about 4 days ago. It seems Cooper has completely stopped the licking behavior during the day and has dramatically stopped (probably by about 50%) the behavior at night. I've heard it over the past couple of nights, but it seems to be getting less and less each day. It seems that last night he only did the mouth/licking behavior when he was settling into sleep mode. He sometimes does that and I can almost here nnnya nnnya nnnya i'm going to sleep mom.

I'm not saying it's definitely the Leba III, but since we stopped using it, he seems to be getting better.

megansmomma 07-03-2010 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3185044)
I want to update everyone. We stopped the Leba III about 4 days ago. It seems Cooper has completely stopped the licking behavior during the day and has dramatically stopped (probably by about 50%) the behavior at night. I've heard it over the past couple of nights, but it seems to be getting less and less each day. It seems that last night he only did the mouth/licking behavior when he was settling into sleep mode. He sometimes does that and I can almost here nnnya nnnya nnnya i'm going to sleep mom.

I'm not saying it's definitely the Leba III, but since we stopped using it, he seems to be getting better.
That's really great news that Cooper is feeling better. I hadn't posted prior but had thought the exact same things as several others about the Leba possibly being the cause. I'm glad that you have seen an improvement and change. :)

AllDogBoots 07-03-2010 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3185053)
That's really great news that Cooper is feeling better. I hadn't posted prior but had thought the exact same things as several others about the Leba possibly being the cause. I'm glad that you have seen an improvement and change. :)
Thanks. There's not much information at all about the negative side effects. In fact, there are none publicly known. My vet highly recommended it as most of the dogs she sees are on it with no issues. The website says it's 100% no side effects. I believe it's the Leba III, as it's the only thing that really makes sense. I'll be sure to blog about it and do my best to make this public, but want to wait to still study Cooper's behavior.

lisaly 07-03-2010 07:46 AM
I think Leba III stimulates the saliva in the dog's mouth, and then the enzymes work to reduce tartar. I never tried it, but my veterinarian usually highly recommends it. He is usually very conservative with medication. Ashley was sixteen when I found out about Leba III, and we didn't want to try anything new on her. I do think that having the dentals done yearly (or when necessary) really makes a big difference in their health. The Benadryl might also be drying out his mouth. I'm glad Cooper is doing better.

AllDogBoots 07-05-2010 09:16 AM
I'm sorry to keep flip flopping...

I don't think it's the Leba III:rolleyes:

Cooper did the licking behavior throughout the night last night at random intervals. When I thought it was the Leba III (3 days ago) i reintroduced adding a few kibbles of Life's Abundance food into his regular food. I bought Life's Abundance after finding out that he loved his sample trial. I started it about the same time as the Leba III, about 8 weeks ago and only gave it to him sporadically. 3 days ago i started giving him a little bit with his food each day.

Could this be a reaction to the food? He is otherwise very healthy, and I don't really think the licking behavior is a health issue....i just don't know.

He also wanted to eat very late last night right before bed. Perhaps I will once again take away the Life's Abundance and not let him eat after 6pm. Maybe it was the late feeding, although I don't think he had an upset tummy at all. There are no other symptoms of anything whatsoever.

Maybe it's just a quirk.

ladyjane 07-05-2010 09:32 AM
Honestly, if he is starting again, I would contact the vet. Did they do a culture of his throat? Maybe he never really got rid of that infection?? Just a thought.

AllDogBoots 07-05-2010 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3187132)
Honestly, if he is starting again, I would contact the vet. Did they do a culture of his throat? Maybe he never really got rid of that infection?? Just a thought.
They didn't do a culture. I've seen the vet 3 times since last time he had the infection. 2 different vets (same practice) said he appears in perfect health. If I want I can spend $500 for extensive bloodwork but they didn't think it was necessary. It was up to me. The infection caused a slightly different effect on him...he was gulping and swallowing very heavily with a high fever. He doesn't do that now.

It's not that I don't want to spend the money....i just don't know if it's necessary as he's showing no signs of any other issues.

EDIT:
I'm going to see if i can somehow video tape him. Another forum member suggested that maybe it's dust mites, since it's only occurring in the bedroom. We've since begun making changes in the bedroom to kill off any possible mites.

ladyjane 07-05-2010 10:09 AM
Gotcha! That is interesting it is only in the bedroom...maybe it is dust mites. Those things are everywhere and a common cause of allergies.

AllDogBoots 07-05-2010 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3187154)
Gotcha! That is interesting it is only in the bedroom...maybe it is dust mites. Those things are everywhere and a common cause of allergies.
It seems that it started about a month ago, right after the throat infection and at the same time I introduced Leba III and the new food :rolleyes:

Could be anything. If it's dust mites I'm not terribly worried although it's disgusting. I cleaned my entire bedroom, bleached all linens and bought a protective mattress cover. I'll have to work on the floors. I'm not sure if dust mites would cause scratching because he's not scratching all that much.

spiritwings1202 07-06-2010 12:52 PM
This is strange,
I remember Daisy once did this and she had eaten a bee and it must of stung her on the mouth. she had a slight allergic reaction.
I wonder if it is an allergy
did you change laundry det or anything different in the bedroom?
new comforter?

AllDogBoots 07-06-2010 12:56 PM
This has been going on for a while now. It just started about 6 weeks ago. Otherwise he is super healthy. He scratches a little bit but nothing unusual. He only does this at night, while he's sleeping in bed. I changed from a down feather comforter to a plain cotton comforter. Made no difference. I now have him on plain food, no treats, no Leba III just to see if it's an allergy.

I gave him Benadryl last night and it didn't make any difference whatsoever.

Not sure what blood work the vet said I could do. They don't even know what to test for because they think it's nothing.

I also read in a thread recently that allergy tests are a waste of time.

spiritwings1202 07-06-2010 01:02 PM
Is he drinking enough water?
Does he only do it when he is sleeping?

AllDogBoots 07-06-2010 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spiritwings1202 (Post 3188860)
Is he drinking enough water?
Does he only do it when he is sleeping?
He drinks, he eats, he plays, he poops. Everything totally normal. Yes it's only during sleeping. Or, not necessarily sleeping, but in the middle of the night when he may wake up, look around and rest his head again. It's not dreaming because his eyes are open.

spiritwings1202 07-06-2010 01:18 PM
weird.......Maybe teeth or gums bothering him?
I am just guessing...It is so confusing when they do something and we can't figure out why.
I guess if everything else is normal I would not worry...easier said than done bc I am a worry wart.:(

AllDogBoots 07-06-2010 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by spiritwings1202 (Post 3188885)
weird.......Maybe teeth or gums bothering him?
I am just guessing...It is so confusing when they do something and we can't figure out why.
I guess if everything else is normal I would not worry...easier said than done bc I am a worry wart.:(
I would think teeth or gums, but he doesn\'t paw at his mouth at all. He lets me put my fingers in his mouth to look at his teeth and gums. I have no idea what I\'m looking at but nothing looks odd. I\'m a paranoid mom too. I just wish I knew why he did this. I would hate it to be something that I could have caught at such an early time. Or it\'s nothing.:confused:


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