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hnburke 12-03-2009 09:53 AM
neurologic 6 year old yorkie
 
Something is going on with my 6 year old yorkie, Chauncey. Up until now.. he has been pretty health with no health issues. I hvae noticed over the past couple weeks a series of events.. First I thought it was leg trouble but it has turned into more.

He has been experiencing neurologic symptoms prety much 24-7. He has a hard time keeping up with his legs, stares into space, has no pep.. cant support himself when going to the bathroom.

We tried prenasone for a possible pinch nerve which didnt work out. A full blood panel yeilds high Lipase (almost double the rate) and slightly low Amylase. He also has a higher white blood count.

Getting frustrated and scared.

thanks

Patti 12-03-2009 12:36 PM
I don't have any advice but hope you can find out what is causing his problems and get him better.

enzosfamily 12-04-2009 08:06 AM
Hi,

Did your vet run a full blood panel? Could it be possible that he has liver issues? Often, neurological problems can be a sign of a liver problem. Our dog Enzo is four and was vomiting with wobbly legs and shaking. Upon full blood panel and a bile acid test, we found his liver enzymes to be high - sometimes that can indicate a liver shunt (repairable) or MVD (not repairable - treated with lower protein food and supplements) - He had an MRI and that did not reveal a shunt. He is now on Hill's L/D and denamarin - he has no real symptoms (except for his sensitive stomach - he has still been vomiting once every 4 or 5 days) but in otherwise good health. Just something to check - these things usually come up before they are a year old but can show later - even at your dog's age.

You can do a little research online and there are great forums. I hope he feels better!

hnburke 12-04-2009 08:36 AM
we did run a full blood panel. Everything was pretty much in the normal range with the exception of high White Blood Count, High Lipase and Low Amalayse.

I started him on 3 meds for liver shunt yesterday. How long did it take your dog to respond to the meds?? I gave them to him late yesterday afternoon... but as soon as he ate he was in la la land again for a few hours. He pepped up a bit and was a little better this morning. I noticed a tad of a difference just in his walk. BUT... again after breakfast he went into a neurologic state where he stumbles and is in space. Even 4 hours later he isnt normal. Did it take a few days for the dog to stablize or did you notice right away??

I am so scared.. it has been almost a week now that he has been like this. I'm afraid one day he isnt going to wake up!!!

We are scheduled to do the acid bile test on monday...

TLC 12-04-2009 08:38 AM
What food are you feeding him?

hnburke 12-04-2009 09:04 AM
well for most all of his life.. he was on an all natural no animal by-product food made by Flint River Ranch. Then oh maybe 6 months ago I switched to a different food.. Innova. Its the same deal..all natural human grade ingredients. I had to mail order the Flint River Ranch and

I am aware that a food change may be in order if the problem is liver related...

TLC 12-04-2009 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hnburke (Post 2903498)
well for most all of his life.. he was on an all natural no animal by-product food made by Flint River Ranch. Then oh maybe 6 months ago I switched to a different food.. Innova. Its the same deal..all natural human grade ingredients. I had to mail order the Flint River Ranch and

I am aware that a food change may be in order if the problem is liver related...
I think you need to get him off the Innova ASAP (too rich for liver issues). Flint too. These are good foods for normal healthy pets. If you baby has liver issues these foods are like poison to him, and when you say he goes into the symptoms after he eats, it really screams that this food is hurting him. If he has liver issues, his liver cannot filter the ammonias from the meats and organ meats in the food you are giving him. These toxins are poison and since the liver cannot filter them properly, these toxins are allowed into his blood stream and are going straight to his brain (and other organs), causing him to feel very, very, very sick - drunk like - headaches, etc. hence the stumbling, can't stand up, blank staring, etc...

You should head to your Vet asap and get Hills l/d (wet food) and or Royal Canin HP14 (dry food).

hnburke 12-04-2009 02:42 PM
I went to the vet and got the Hills L/D. I gave him some.. and he did have a reaction. I am not sure if its as bad as with the other normal food.. but I am hoping he is just adjusting to the medication and that it will take a couple days for his body to catch up and detoxify as much as it can.

He did bark today a couple times which he hasnt done in days.

Ugh I wish there was something more definitive here. I hate waiting.

TLC 12-04-2009 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hnburke (Post 2903900)
I went to the vet and got the Hills L/D. I gave him some.. and he did have a reaction. I am not sure if its as bad as with the other normal food.. but I am hoping he is just adjusting to the medication and that it will take a couple days for his body to catch up and detoxify as much as it can.

He did bark today a couple times which he hasnt done in days.

Ugh I wish there was something more definitive here. I hate waiting.
What kind of reaction? Did the Vet put him on Lactulose and antibiotics?

hnburke 12-04-2009 03:03 PM
oh, he just goes into a deeper state of being neurologic after he eats. He is on Denamarin, Lactulose and Metronidazole all which I started yesterday. The change in food was this afternoon.

hnburke 12-04-2009 03:04 PM
this may be a dumb question but the lactalose is given orally correct??

TLC 12-04-2009 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hnburke (Post 2903922)
this may be a dumb question but the lactalose is given orally correct??
Yes. It may take a little time to get the dosage correct. He should poop at least 3x daily and it should be like soft ice cream. He should be eating 4 to 6 small meals a day/night. Spread apart and small so that his liver dosen't get over worked.

Keep us updated and ask any all questions you need to. We are here for you.

hnburke 12-04-2009 06:29 PM
thank you so much for all your suggestions and help. I really appreciate your input. The smaller meals make sense.. my vet should have told me that too along with insisting on a food change immediately.

So far two poops today but they werent too soft. He has a hard time pooping b.c his legs are so wobbly from the neurological problems. He dances around.

I will keep you posted.

I think I mentioned but we are doing the bile teset monday.. hopefully that confirms the problem.

heather

Ladymom 12-04-2009 06:51 PM
Was a bile acids test done? A Protein C test? Both need to be done if liver disease is suspected. You don't want to assume it's liver disease and misdiagnose something else.

PSVA and MVD Research Summary

Comparative Coagulation -- NYS Animal Health Diagnostic Center

hnburke 12-04-2009 07:16 PM
we are going monday for the bile acid test. By then hopefully there will be some sort of idea as to what is going on.


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