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Sebastian Bach 06-05-2009 10:37 AM

Bright red blood in stools ???
 
I hope it is okay to post here...it is actually my Mother-in-Laws maltese, and she is at the vet now, but I was hoping someone might have insight while I am waiting for anserws. I am super attached to this little girl and watch her often for my mil.

She recently had a round of vaccines given (w/o) mil consent while she was boarded at the vet. Could this have anything to do with her new problem.

Just really worried, and it would help if I had some anserws (and prayers-from any of you who are so inclined)

chachi 06-05-2009 10:41 AM

I have never heard of vaccines causing blood in the stool. It could be several different things and even as little as just some gastrointestinal upset. My Chachi had that before. He also had it when he had worms. Im sure youll get some answers from the vet

bchgirl 06-05-2009 10:42 AM

Bright red blood means it's fresh and either from her lower intestines or rectum. The cause could be a number of things which the vet will need to determine, but doubtful it's related to any vaccine.

I hope it's nothing serious.

Ellie May 06-05-2009 10:42 AM

How long ago were the vaccines given?
Unless she signed something agreeing to the vaccines, what they did was medicate without consent which really isn't legal.

chandracz 06-05-2009 10:44 AM

The vet is NOT allowed to give any kind of vaccine or treatment to an animal unless they are give written or verbal permission by the pet's owner!!!

Sebastian Bach 06-05-2009 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2655114)
How long ago were the vaccines given?
Unless she signed something agreeing to the vaccines, what they did was medicate without consent which really isn't legal.

She was given the vaccines on Saturday, and mil did tell them they were allowed to give her the kennel cough vaccine, but that was it. She didn't sign any papers even for the kennel cough, it was all just verbal.

I didn't add that she is also having some pretty severe bouts of diarrhea that just started w/the blood.

I hope it isn't from something that happened while they were boarded. I always watch the dogs for mil when she goes out of town, but I wasn't able this time, and felt guility for it anyway, and now this happens.

Patti 06-05-2009 12:57 PM

Hope it is just a tummy upset maybe from stress from being boarded. Keep us posted

Conjure_Girl 06-05-2009 01:13 PM

Diarrhea and blood in stool can be signs of Parvo. Is she vomiting? My neighbor's puppy just had it, and they barely saved her in time.

Parvo FAQs

ch774 06-05-2009 02:39 PM

Bright Red blood in stools
 
Icks, I just had this with Jack/ they (vet) told us he might have gotten in some Bad water, Come to find out our pool and pond had bad water (mold) and it was Really Bad but she gave him a shot and kept him for the day. that night he came home and no more bloody stools.

It was intestional she said. My husband drained the pool power washed and put new water and drained pond. A week later I took him in for check-up. She told me he Looked very good not a sick puppy anymore. In fact she and everyone remembered that he was not the same puppy they had seen before.

I cried for hours when we were going through this.

Cheryl/Jack/Bella:animal-pa:animal-pa

ladyjane 06-05-2009 02:57 PM

Vets and boarding facilities do not board pups without vaccines being up to date! I doubt seriously that Bordatella would cause bloody stools.
I have had pups get blood in their stools from eating grass...a blade of grass can cause bleeding. Once I had one with bleeding and he was one that does not eat grass. I finally figured out it was from sunflower seeds that my bird was tossing out of the cage!
Normally a little bright red blood in the stools is not really serious..I do hope that is the case here.

syl 06-05-2009 03:02 PM

Blood in Stool
 
It could be pancreatitis, which is very serious. My Yorkie had it last year, but he is fine now. I took him to the vet right away. He is on a bland gastro diet.

dwerten 06-05-2009 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Bach (Post 2655125)
She was given the vaccines on Saturday, and mil did tell them they were allowed to give her the kennel cough vaccine, but that was it. She didn't sign any papers even for the kennel cough, it was all just verbal.

I didn't add that she is also having some pretty severe bouts of diarrhea that just started w/the blood.

I hope it isn't from something that happened while they were boarded. I always watch the dogs for mil when she goes out of town, but I wasn't able this time, and felt guility for it anyway, and now this happens.

it was the bordatella shot as my parents silky got a viral infection from bordatella shot and pooped blood :( only do intranasal NEVER EVER VACCINE - there dog was healthy for 7 years and vet did shot instead of nasal and he was SOOOOOOO SICK - vomitting and bloody diarhea and was on heavy antibiotics and iv fluids.

dwerten 06-05-2009 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syl (Post 2655585)
It could be pancreatitis, which is very serious. My Yorkie had it last year, but he is fine now. I took him to the vet right away. He is on a bland gastro diet.

usually pancreatitis is vomitting very rarely diarhea --my yorkie dex almost died of pancreatitis so know alot about that one for sure :(

dwerten 06-05-2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2655578)
Vets and boarding facilities do not board pups without vaccines being up to date! I doubt seriously that Bordatella would cause bloody stools.
I have had pups get blood in their stools from eating grass...a blade of grass can cause bleeding. Once I had one with bleeding and he was one that does not eat grass. I finally figured out it was from sunflower seeds that my bird was tossing out of the cage!
Normally a little bright red blood in the stools is not really serious..I do hope that is the case here.

it can my parents dog had it - it is a viral infection as bordatella shot is viral :(

dwerten 06-05-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conjure_Girl (Post 2655348)
Diarrhea and blood in stool can be signs of Parvo. Is she vomiting? My neighbor's puppy just had it, and they barely saved her in time.

Parvo FAQs

parvo is the first thing vet will check for and do a parvo test with blood to see so hopefully not this - they did this with my parents silky as he had the dhpp shot along with bordatella shot

ladyjane 06-05-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2655909)
usually pancreatitis is vomitting very rarely diarhea --my yorkie dex almost died of pancreatitis so know alot about that one for sure :(


I have a pup with chronic pancreatis and he has both vomiting and diarrhea. The diarrhea due to pancreatis is usually yellow!
I also have had other pups with it...always vomiting and diarrhea.

dwerten 06-05-2009 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2655917)
I have a pup with chronic pancreatis and he has both vomiting and diarrhea. The diarrhea due to pancreatis is usually yellow!
I also have had other pups with it...always vomiting and diarrhea.

not bloody diarhea though ? yeah my boy only vomitted with pancreatitis - he ended up having a plasma transfusion to save his life :( he was on deaths door - nasty disease and cost me 10k in vet bills to save his life and all triggered from ibd in small intestines :(

ladyjane 06-05-2009 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2655907)
it was the bordatella shot as my parents silky got a viral infection from bordatella shot and pooped blood :( only do intranasal NEVER EVER VACCINE - there dog was healthy for 7 years and vet did shot instead of nasal and he was SOOOOOOO SICK - vomitting and bloody diarhea and was on heavy antibiotics and iv fluids.




I seriously have never heard of a dog getting THAT sick from Bordatella. I suppose anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely from what I have experienced and read. I have fostered many pups and none of them have had such a reaction from Bordatella. Now...DHPP is another issue. I have seen pups get very sick from them.

ladyjane 06-05-2009 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2655912)
it can my parents dog had it - it is a viral infection as bordatella shot is viral :(

Yes, it is viral.....Upper Respiratory...not GI

They can get symptoms of kennel cough/tracheo-bronchitis from it!

ladyjane 06-05-2009 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2655923)
not bloody diarhea though ? yeah my boy only vomitted with pancreatitis - he ended up having a plasma transfusion to save his life :( he was on deaths door - nasty disease and cost me 10k in vet bills to save his life and all triggered from ibd in small intestines :(

I simply said that the common symptoms are not bloody diarrhea. Pancreatitis is a very serious condition!
Here is a link to information about it:

Canine Pancreatitis

and another:

VetInfo - Veterinary Medical Information for Dogs and Cats - Pancreatitis

dwerten 06-05-2009 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2655934)
I simply said that the common symptoms are not bloody diarrhea. Pancreatitis is a very serious condition!
Here is a link to information about it:

Canine Pancreatitis

and another:

VetInfo - Veterinary Medical Information for Dogs and Cats - Pancreatitis

OH YEAH I AM A PRO ON THAT DISEASE AFTER DEALING WITH IT FOR A YEAR - also tied to high triglycerides in a 12 fast which my boy dex has so that is another thing to watch out for a yorkie who shows high 12 fast triglycerides. IBD dogs are prone to this if in small intestines - the plasma transfusion saved his life - he was only 2:( the ibd is from white potato intolerance as the white potato is inflammatory which inflamed the small intestines and triggered the pancreas so no white potato in his diet ever again. Also ID by hills that all the vets give out made him relapse and internal medicine specialist we deal with now says NEVER give that to pancreatitis dog yet hills will not take off their list and it has PORK in it :(

dwerten 06-05-2009 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2655928)
I seriously have never heard of a dog getting THAT sick from Bordatella. I suppose anything is possible, but it is highly unlikely from what I have experienced and read. I have fostered many pups and none of them have had such a reaction from Bordatella. Now...DHPP is another issue. I have seen pups get very sick from them.

yeah my parents dog was vomitting foam and horrible bloody diarhea after that shot - he has been healthy for 7 years no issues and that was the only thing different:( also another yorkie on my other group is going through it right now as well - on 64 dog groups and have read over and over never do the bordatella shot always do intranasal if doing it as more reaction to the shots than intranasal. Intranasal lasts only 6 mos and shot last a year but i would never do shot. I personally titer all my dogs and have for 4 years and my groomer comes to house so do not do bordatella anymore - the less the better as my girl dd health issues all started after her vaccinations - her immune system is shot - hypothyroid and horrible atopic dermatitis :(

RitaNBoobear 06-05-2009 11:58 PM

In addition to ansewers & comments above:

BooBear just had a littel blood in her poos too. My vet is a very no-nonsense, pragmatic doc (not undereacting but not overreactign to things).

She said not to worry, "just a touch of puppy colitis...", gave us a minute amount of a liquid med called Metronidazole that I use a teeeny dropper with. The metered amount, at .03ml is so little that I just swirled it in nutracal and th Poo-problem cleared up in ONE day :-)

That being said -- my situation might be tad bit different -- I had just had Boo in the ER/ICU for what ended up being very bad naseau & gas, not a blockage. Little girl swallowed a gel cap. Not the insides, just the outside gelatin casing. So she had the test for Pravo, etc. Xrays, Ultrasound then later barium (sp?) contrast. She is fine but I nearly lost my mind last week.

Anyway -- we had 5 different levels of poo-consistency from hard to the runs w/the barium stuff and doc indicated that as poo-poo moves thru baby's little tract the end production will often be looser thant the beginning poop. "...The last drabs w/blood was not surprising and as long as it was not profuse, the meds woudl clear it up".... And they did.

RitaNBoobear 06-06-2009 12:16 AM

Prayer for sick or injured animal
 
Hope by now you have the answers and your mil's baby is ok.:aimeeyork

so... i was a "so inclined...." to pray person and this is prayer i said while Boo was in ER and we were waiting and dying inside.... ( I used to pray for my nuero docs too, that they would be an "instrument of healing").

God, Bless the Animals...
and especially those who are ill or injured.
Reach inside of them
and give them the understanding that
You are their ultimate
Healer and that You will
guide them toward their own
wellness. If there are
human beings that are
helping them in their
healing process, make
sure those people are Your
true instruments, God -
instruments of skill
and of kindness.
Thank You God
for caring for all sick
or injured animals,
always.
Amen

dwerten 06-06-2009 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RitaNBoobear (Post 2656022)
In addition to ansewers & comments above:

BooBear just had a littel blood in her poos too. My vet is a very no-nonsense, pragmatic doc (not undereacting but not overreactign to things).

She said not to worry, "just a touch of puppy colitis...", gave us a minute amount of a liquid med called Metronidazole that I use a teeeny dropper with. The metered amount, at .03ml is so little that I just swirled it in nutracal and th Poo-problem cleared up in ONE day :-)

That being said -- my situation might be tad bit different -- I had just had Boo in the ER/ICU for what ended up being very bad naseau & gas, not a blockage. Little girl swallowed a gel cap. Not the insides, just the outside gelatin casing. So she had the test for Pravo, etc. Xrays, Ultrasound then later barium (sp?) contrast. She is fine but I nearly lost my mind last week.

Anyway -- we had 5 different levels of poo-consistency from hard to the runs w/the barium stuff and doc indicated that as poo-poo moves thru baby's little tract the end production will often be looser thant the beginning poop. "...The last drabs w/blood was not surprising and as long as it was not profuse, the meds woudl clear it up".... And they did.

yes colitis is a yellow jelly poop with a little blood in it. My dd had that after she was so messed up on metacam. Tylan powder is the lowest dose for diarhea metronidazole the second lowest dose so they gave us tylan powder but i used probiotics insteas as prefer natural and no more blood in poop - colitis if bad enough can affect small and large intestines and that is when they vomit as well in more severe cases of colitis. Colitis is from stress, from intestinal issues which nsaids like metacam and rimadyl affect the intestinal tract thus can lead to colitis like happened to my dee dee :(

syl 06-08-2009 07:52 AM

Pancreatitis
 
Pancreatitis can cause blood in the stool (diarrhea) as well as blood in their vomit. You must withhold food from the dog but ensure the dog is hydrated. The pancreas is ingesting itself and causes severe pain. Get the dog to the vet immediately!

Syl and Gus

dwerten 06-08-2009 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syl (Post 2659058)
Pancreatitis can cause blood in the stool (diarrhea) as well as blood in their vomit. You must withhold food from the dog but ensure the dog is hydrated. The pancreas is ingesting itself and causes severe pain. Get the dog to the vet immediately!

Syl and Gus

the bright red in stool means it is in the lower intestines - it would be dark red if in small intestines now if vomit is bright red it is small intestines. I dealt with pancreatitis for a year and almost lost my dog to it and he never had blood in stool or in vomit and he was on deaths door. I think they can have the blood in vomit if they break a blood vessel from vomitting so that is possible

Sebastian Bach 06-08-2009 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2655578)
Vets and boarding facilities do not board pups without vaccines being up to date! I doubt seriously that Bordatella would cause bloody stools.
I have had pups get blood in their stools from eating grass...a blade of grass can cause bleeding. Once I had one with bleeding and he was one that does not eat grass. I finally figured out it was from sunflower seeds that my bird was tossing out of the cage!
Normally a little bright red blood in the stools is not really serious..I do hope that is the case here.

My mil had given copies of shot records to the vet (this isn't the vet she uses, but is the only place in our town that boards dogs). The dogs were up-to-date on all of their shots. The vet was only supposed to do the bodatella, but IMO she was just greedy and wanted to charge my mil for the other shots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RitaNBoobear (Post 2656028)
Hope by now you have the answers and your mil's baby is ok.:aimeeyork

so... i was a "so inclined...." to pray person and this is prayer i said while Boo was in ER and we were waiting and dying inside.... ( I used to pray for my nuero docs too, that they would be an "instrument of healing").

God, Bless the Animals...
and especially those who are ill or injured.
Reach inside of them
and give them the understanding that
You are their ultimate
Healer and that You will
guide them toward their own
wellness. If there are
human beings that are
helping them in their
healing process, make
sure those people are Your
true instruments, God -
instruments of skill
and of kindness.
Thank You God
for caring for all sick
or injured animals,
always.
Amen


Thank you so much for the prayers. Our little babies sure mean so much to us. If you never had a dog to love it is hard to understand how a person could have so much love for an animal, but then once you find out how great that love is, you kinda wonder what is wrong with the people who don't have pets.

Quote:

Pancreatitis can cause blood in the stool (diarrhea) as well as blood in their vomit. You must withhold food from the dog but ensure the dog is hydrated. The pancreas is ingesting itself and causes severe pain. Get the dog to the vet immediately!

As my original post states the dog was at the vet while I was typing. I was just wondering if some fellow YT'ers could help ease my mind while I was waiting on word from the vet.

Our little Roxie is doing fine now. The vet thinks it was something the dogs got into, either while being border or shortly thereafter. She was given a shot and had a few tests run just to make sure. Then later that night her brother Gizmo (a shih tzu) had the exact same symptoms, and now they are both back to normal after a couple of days of lying around and resting.

Thanks so much for everyone's replies, and I am so glad it isn't something more serious. Worrying is kinda a hobby of mine, and my babies (skin and fur) give me plenty of time to exercise that hobby :rolleyes:

dwerten 06-09-2009 08:31 AM

so happy all is well :)


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