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isailiss 02-14-2009 03:55 PM
luxating patellas on 3 of my 5 yorkies:(
 
Hello , today is a very sad day for me, i took my 5 pups to the vet and he find 3 of them have luxating patellas
they are only 8 and 12 weeks the other two.
I have life warranty for any congenital on one of the puppies and in the other two i have a one year warranty.
I have no clue, how to handle this with the breeders, i`m really sad and cant stop crying , i dont want to give my babies back.but at the same time i cant afford 3 surgeries...
please help me.. any advice... how to handle this...:(

TLC 02-14-2009 04:35 PM
I would first get a second opinion to be sure, but then I would contact the breeders. I would think that you should be refunded the money and put that towards the surgeries. Clearly this is genegtic if they have it at the young age...

These pups need to be spayed and nuetered so they do not pass this fault on :)

Ladymom 02-14-2009 04:49 PM
What does your contract say? Does the breeder offer to pay for vet bills or does she offer a replacement puppy? You are bound by what your contract says.

red1973 02-14-2009 04:59 PM
Dont hold me to this but from what i have heard that you really cant tell if they have it at such a young age. they say that alot of puppies patellas move when they are young. i am pretty sure i read that here. i will see if i can find that thread or maybe someone else will be able to tell you more. hope this helps. are any of them from the same breeder?
renae

Woogie Man 02-14-2009 05:07 PM
Did your vet x-ray the pups or just manipulate the patella? Many times, especially with the smaller Yorkies, it is just 'loose knees' at an early age and they will firm up as the pup builds strength. In your post, it seems the 12 week old pups don't have LP so maybe the younger ones will firm up. You certainly should discuss this with the breeder and make them aware of the vet's diagnosis. I would think that x-rays would be necessary to confirm the diagnosis, though. I have a 3 pound male that was diagnosed with 'loose knees' as a pup but the knees firmed up and he's now fine at 2 years old. From my (limited) experience, I think loose knees are more common in the tiny Yorkies. I would be more concerned if these are larger pups as they should have a sturdier frame. If you feel that you don't want to wait to see how they mature, you seem to be within your rights to return the pups. In any case, I wouldn't wait to let the breeder know about this as the longer you keep the pups, the more likely they might say it is due to trauma after you got the pup.

Sugar's Mom 02-14-2009 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by red1973 (Post 2470535)
Dont hold me to this but from what i have heard that you really cant tell if they have it at such a young age. they say that alot of puppies patellas move when they are young. i am pretty sure i read that here. i will see if i can find that thread or maybe someone else will be able to tell you more. hope this helps. are any of them from the same breeder?
renae
This is exactly what my vet says.

isailiss 02-14-2009 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2470526)
What does your contract say? Does the breeder offer to pay for vet bills or does she offer a replacement puppy? You are bound by what your contract says.
it said life time warranty for any hereditary condition
money back or new pup

isailiss 02-14-2009 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2470541)
Did your vet x-ray the pups or just manipulate the patella? Many times, especially with the smaller Yorkies, it is just 'loose knees' at an early age and they will firm up as the pup builds strength. In your post, it seems the 12 week old pups don't have LP so maybe the younger ones will firm up. You certainly should discuss this with the breeder and make them aware of the vet's diagnosis. I would think that x-rays would be necessary to confirm the diagnosis, though. I have a 3 pound male that was diagnosed with 'loose knees' as a pup but the knees firmed up and he's now fine at 2 years old. From my (limited) experience, I think loose knees are more common in the tiny Yorkies. I would be more concerned if these are larger pups as they should have a sturdier frame. If you feel that you don't want to wait to see how they mature, you seem to be within your rights to return the pups. In any case, I wouldn't wait to let the breeder know about this as the longer you keep the pups, the more likely they might say it is due to trauma after you got the pup.
he just manipule the patella no xrays so far.I send emails to all the breeder they are from diferent breeders. no answers yet :(
are x rays a must to make sure of this condition?

tiggerr36792 02-14-2009 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by red1973 (Post 2470535)
Dont hold me to this but from what i have heard that you really cant tell if they have it at such a young age. they say that alot of puppies patellas move when they are young. i am pretty sure i read that here. i will see if i can find that thread or maybe someone else will be able to tell you more. hope this helps. are any of them from the same breeder?
renae
My vet says that when they are young they will have slight movement sometimes, but it does firm up as they grow. I have had only 1 of my puppies have a slight loseness in their knees and it firmed up 100% after just a mth. I suggest to the OP that you talk to the breeders you got your babies from and tell her/him you want to give them a mth or so to see if it firms up before you proceed with any possible replacement puppies.

Woogie Man 02-14-2009 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by isailiss (Post 2470552)
he just manipule the patella no xrays so far.I send emails to all the breeder they are from diferent breeders. no answers yet :(
are x rays a must to make sure of this condition?
An x-ray will determine if the groove the tendons ride in is too shallow or not. If the groove isn't shallow, it may be just a matter of waiting for them (the tendons) to firm up. I'm probably not explaining this in the best way but maybe you get the idea. Eight weeks is very young to make a determination of LP without x-rays. The breeders should be notified about this (in writing, such as an e-mail even if you call them) so you'll have some recourse in case of any dispute later.

isailiss 02-14-2009 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2470569)
An x-ray will determine if the groove the tendons ride in is too shallow or not. If the groove isn't shallow, it may be just a matter of waiting for them (the tendons) to firm up. I'm probably not explaining this in the best way but maybe you get the idea. Eight weeks is very young to make a determination of LP without x-rays. The breeders should be notified about this (in writing, such as an e-mail even if you call them) so you'll have some recourse in case of any dispute later.
ok I send them emails. also the other two puppies are 12 weeks is this to early to?

Woogie Man 02-14-2009 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by isailiss (Post 2470572)
ok I send them emails. also the other two puppies are 12 weeks is this to early to?
Didn't you post that the 12 week old ones were fine? Maybe I mis-read that. I would think that every pup would be different as they all would have their own individual structure. My little guy was 12 weeks when I got him and he had loose knees. I was just careful with him as far as jumping and stairs went until he got stronger as the knees could be damaged by this type of activity until the tendons firm up.

Luv My Yorkies 02-14-2009 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2470541)
Did your vet x-ray the pups or just manipulate the patella? Many times, especially with the smaller Yorkies, it is just 'loose knees' at an early age and they will firm up as the pup builds strength. In your post, it seems the 12 week old pups don't have LP so maybe the younger ones will firm up. You certainly should discuss this with the breeder and make them aware of the vet's diagnosis. I would think that x-rays would be necessary to confirm the diagnosis, though. I have a 3 pound male that was diagnosed with 'loose knees' as a pup but the knees firmed up and he's now fine at 2 years old. From my (limited) experience, I think loose knees are more common in the tiny Yorkies. I would be more concerned if these are larger pups as they should have a sturdier frame. If you feel that you don't want to wait to see how they mature, you seem to be within your rights to return the pups. In any case, I wouldn't wait to let the breeder know about this as the longer you keep the pups, the more likely they might say it is due to trauma after you got the pup.
I totally agree with these comments. The same thing happen with one of my girls, she too was 12 weeks old. We were told she had patella it simply was heartbreaking. We not only went for a second opinion however the third all in the same day. Last 2 Vets said the same thing "loose knees" and today our little girl is 1.5 years old, does not show a sign of patella. So please go get another opinion just to be certain. I wish you and your babies the best. :aimeeyork

isailiss 02-14-2009 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Luv My Yorkies (Post 2470598)
I totally agree with these comments. The same thing happen with one of my girls, she too was 12 weeks old. We were told she had patella it simply was heartbreaking. We not only went for a second opinion however the third all in the same day. Last 2 Vets said the same thing "loose knees" and today our little girl is 1.5 years old, does not show a sign of patella. So please go get another opinion just to be certain. I wish you and your babies the best. :aimeeyork
thanks for your comment I will take them for another opinion , i feel more relax now... worried still ... but more calm.You know this vet , is new and he is from banfield. I had another vet who check them at 8 weeks and says they where ok.But now this guy tell me they all have it. so i dont know if banfiel vet is good. but i will look for another vet to get second opinion.
thanks 4 the support!

red1973 02-14-2009 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by isailiss (Post 2470641)
thanks for your comment I will take them for another opinion , i feel more relax now... worried still ... but more calm.You know this vet , is new and he is from banfield. I had another vet who check them at 8 weeks and says they where ok.But now this guy tell me they all have it. so i dont know if banfiel vet is good. but i will look for another vet to get second opinion.
thanks 4 the support!
I would highly suggest that you find a good vet that specializes in smaller breeds. They will know more if that is what they deal with all the time. I would tend to think it is a long shot that three of your five puppies have luxating patellas. If they all came from the same breeder, then i could see it is possible, but all from different breeders, i would hope they dont all have it. I hope that they are just young with loose knees. Please seek another opinion. I will keep you and your babies in our prayers and please let us know how they are doing.
Renae


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