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dayorkiemania 12-08-2007 01:12 AM
!!! help, how to find out that the dog really be PSS !!!
 
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my Porsche is suspected to be portosystemic shunt becuase he gets bladder stone (now he can pee normally,yet he still has to eat u/d) and after doing blood test (he wasn't eat + drink about 8 hrs. before this) his ammonia level is high (i think it's called BUN, but not sure). if he really is,what should I do. I don't want to do a surgery 'cz he weighs only 1.98 pound,i'm afarid of losing him and he looks very fine now as he can run, eat,play,etc. moreover, he doesn't have other clinical signs. :confused:

AprilLove 12-08-2007 05:57 AM
I am so sorry. Porshe is a beautiful little boy. I don't really know much about his condition, but I wanted to say it might be helpful for you to post this in the breeders section as well. There are some real knowledgable breeders that may have good advice/info for you!! I will send good thoughts and prayers for you and your little guy

Mom2BabyNatalie 12-08-2007 07:43 AM
He is GORGEOUS.... we'll send up extra prayers for a healthy little guy!!!

Ellie May 12-08-2007 12:51 PM
How old is he?
What are his bile acid numbers before and after a meal?
Does he have ammonium urate stones or another kind?
Does the vet suspect a shunt?
What are his liver levels (like ALT)?

MaxwellHouse 12-08-2007 05:37 PM
Oh my goodness, Porsche is a class act! Love that tongue. What a sweetie!

LunasMomma 12-08-2007 07:04 PM
He sure is a gorgeous baby!:love: :hands: Prayers going up that he has a long, healthy life with you. Sorry I'm no help:o

Yorkieluv 12-08-2007 07:51 PM
University of Tennessee has one of the highest success rates with liver shunt surgeries, especially on the really little ones. They do surgeries on extremely tiny yorkies all the time. If I were you and had to get surgery, this is the place where I would go. Dr. Tobias is wonderful.

Ammonium urate stones ARE symptoms of liver shunt and liver problems. So, this actually is a symptom. What food is your baby on? How old is he? Have you joined the liver shunt/mvd group?

There's a test that can be done that is non-invasive that will help better determine if your furbaby has hepatic microvascular dysplasia or liver shunt.

It's called the Protein C test, and your vet would do bloodwork that they would send to Cornell...The information is in the FILES section of the liver shunt/mvd group.
They are a wealth of information over there on that group regarding liver disease. Please consider joining.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/L...d_MVD_Support/

Ellie May 12-08-2007 10:08 PM
Are you really in Thailand? University of Tennessee is the best but that seems like it isn't an option for you.:(

mypreciouspups 12-08-2007 10:12 PM
I do not have any answers but wanted to tell you, he is a great lookie yorkie for such a small guy, he looks like he is healthy and is such a doll...Hope all is ok, keep us posted...I pray he will be ok...pooh's mum

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 1590866)
How old is he?
What are his bile acid numbers before and after a meal?
Does he have ammonium urate stones or another kind?
Does the vet suspect a shunt?
What are his liver levels (like ALT)?
he is 1 yr 1 mths old. i'm sorry i don't know such things. yet today the vet called me to tell that he isn't PSS but his liver might not well so he will give him vitamin/supplement for liver.

thank you very much for all your guys support and pray.:)

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 1592201)
Are you really in Thailand? University of Tennessee is the best but that seems like it isn't an option for you.:(
yes,I'm in Thailand. :D

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mypreciouspups (Post 1592206)
I do not have any answers but wanted to tell you, he is a great lookie yorkie for such a small guy, he looks like he is healthy and is such a doll...Hope all is ok, keep us posted...I pray he will be ok...pooh's mum
he looks very healthy for me too. everything looks fine. I hope after giving him vitamin/supplement for liver, next time his blood test will be o.k.

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 1591966)
University of Tennessee has one of the highest success rates with liver shunt surgeries, especially on the really little ones. They do surgeries on extremely tiny yorkies all the time. If I were you and had to get surgery, this is the place where I would go. Dr. Tobias is wonderful.

Ammonium urate stones ARE symptoms of liver shunt and liver problems. So, this actually is a symptom. What food is your baby on? How old is he? Have you joined the liver shunt/mvd group?

There's a test that can be done that is non-invasive that will help better determine if your furbaby has hepatic microvascular dysplasia or liver shunt.

It's called the Protein C test, and your vet would do bloodwork that they would send to Cornell...The information is in the FILES section of the liver shunt/mvd group.
They are a wealth of information over there on that group regarding liver disease. Please consider joining.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/L...d_MVD_Support/
thank you very much for your information.

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 1590125)
I am so sorry. Porshe is a beautiful little boy. I don't really know much about his condition, but I wanted to say it might be helpful for you to post this in the breeders section as well. There are some real knowledgable breeders that may have good advice/info for you!! I will send good thoughts and prayers for you and your little guy
thank you very much.

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mom2BabyNatalie (Post 1590302)
He is GORGEOUS.... we'll send up extra prayers for a healthy little guy!!!
thank yu very much. I myself pray for him every night.

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxwellHouse (Post 1591578)
Oh my goodness, Porsche is a class act! Love that tongue. What a sweetie!
thank you for your compliment. :)

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LunasMomma (Post 1591808)
He sure is a gorgeous baby!:love: :hands: Prayers going up that he has a long, healthy life with you. Sorry I'm no help:o
just your prayers're helping enough.thank you.

dayorkiemania 12-09-2007 01:37 AM
if there is any news,I'll post again.

thank you. :)

Yorkieluv 12-09-2007 08:36 AM
Is he eating the canned U/D or the dry?? Please give him canned, not the dry if at all possible. Also, if I were you, I would ask for the L/D instead of the U/D because U/D contains pork liver which is one of the worst foods for liver compromised dogs and will overwork his liver. Overworking the liver will in turn cause more stones, so I would recommend you ask the vet for L/D.

Yorkiekids 12-09-2007 10:19 AM
Porsche is a handsome little man. I don't know the answer to your question, but I will pray for him and you.

dayorkiemania 12-10-2007 12:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 1592647)
Is he eating the canned U/D or the dry?? Please give him canned, not the dry if at all possible. Also, if I were you, I would ask for the L/D instead of the U/D because U/D contains pork liver which is one of the worst foods for liver compromised dogs and will overwork his liver. Overworking the liver will in turn cause more stones, so I would recommend you ask the vet for L/D.

he's eating the canned u/d now. i'll ask the vet as your recommennd. thx. :)

dayorkiemania 12-10-2007 12:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkiekids (Post 1592891)
Porsche is a handsome little man. I don't know the answer to your question, but I will pray for him and you.
thank you for your kindness.

Yorkieluv 12-10-2007 07:19 AM
Most vets don't pay attention to the fact that u/d contains pork liver, but it is very, very high in purines and actually not good for dogs who are forming ammonium urate stones due to liver problems. Also, the vet may try to say "but the u/d is lower in protein"
While this is true, it's the wrong KIND of protein and it's also very high in fat.

Patti 12-10-2007 10:08 AM
I will keep him in my prayers to stay healthy. He is one of the cutest I have seen!!

dayorkiemania 12-11-2007 02:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 1595165)
Most vets don't pay attention to the fact that u/d contains pork liver, but it is very, very high in purines and actually not good for dogs who are forming ammonium urate stones due to liver problems. Also, the vet may try to say "but the u/d is lower in protein"
While this is true, it's the wrong KIND of protein and it's also very high in fat.
so what should I do if the vet resists to give him u/d :confused:

could I change to l/d without his permission? and it won't effect his urine problem,right? now he can pee normally.

dayorkiemania 12-11-2007 02:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patti (Post 1595669)
I will keep him in my prayers to stay healthy. He is one of the cutest I have seen!!
thank you very much. he is my cutest too. :D


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