New Breed?: Chinese Pekie
 

I came across an add for a "new breed" called "Chinese Pekie". The breeder claims the pups are ACR registered, but ACR doesn't even have this breed listed. Is this a legitimate breed? The available dog is adorable, but I'd like to know what he/she should look like when he is older. I seem to be getting the runaround from the breeder, who references the breed on its site, but without any clickable links: http://us.1.p10.geocities.com/class_act_kennel/ . I sent an e-mail asking for pics of the sire/dam and this is what I received:

"Sorry all of mine are shaved so you would get no idea at all as to what an adult would like from mine. Hopefully their coat will grow out before it gets to hot enough for me to take pics.

We live on a farm and their longhair is not conducive to farm life so we keep them shaved.

Basically they look like Princess just in a bigger body."


Also - Does anyone else find it strange that the senders e-mail address is @americancanineregistry.com? Or that they advertise on the ACR website? Is there a such thing as the American Canine Registry?

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Princess
From: "Kelly "
Date: Thu, March 08, 2007 12:09 pm


I guess I'm curious what she will look like as an adult. I went to your website and there are no images of adults chinese pekie's on your website, nor can I find photos elsewhere. Can you please send me photos of Princess's dam/sire?

Thanks.


-----Original Message-----
From: classact@americancanineregistry.com [mailto:classact@americancanineregistry.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:33 AM
To: Kelly
Subject: RE: Princess


Hi,

The only information you are going to find is the information on
my website unless there happens to be a Chinese Breeders site
out there that has something on them.
We went to China to obtain our dogs.
http://www.geocities.com/class_act_kennel

We will sell her with or without breeding rights but be advised unless
you go to China to get a male to breed her with you probably won't
find one inside the United States to do it with. We do not do stud service
and are only 1 of 4 breeders in the United States with Pekies at this time.

Without breeding rights at the GREATLY REDUCED PRICE is a wonderful deal
for somebody wanting one as a pet. We will enforce the pet contract and
the spay/neuter agreement.

Thanks,
Nancy

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Princess
From: "Kelly"
Date: Thu, March 08, 2007 10:19 am
To: <classact@americancanineregistry.com>

I'm interested in Princess, your Chinese Pekie. Can you send me a
larger (or additional) photo of her? Can you tell me more about the
Chinese Pekie breed? I tried a google search and all I'm finding are
your ads for Lester and Princess. Can you direct me to other webpages
that feature details regarding this new breed?

http://us.1.p10.geocities.com/class_...l/puppies.html

Thanks,

~ Kelly

Here's the latest. This is all too suspicious. Here is what I sent her when she said her dogs were shaved:

"Subject: RE: Princess
From: "Kelly Conroy"
Date: Thu, March 08, 2007 3:14 pm
To: <classact@americancanineregistry.com>

Well, I'd love to see pics of her sire/dam anyway! Can you send me pics please? I'm fascinated by this new breed!

Thanks! "


And here is her reply:

"Sorry but I'm not sending pics of my dogs that are stripped. If I can get their hair to grow out enough
before it ends up in caios from being around the farm then I'll take pics of them and post them
on my website.
I've got a sale pending on Princess.

Thanks,
Nancy"

I am chinese and I have never heard of it lol..It is probably like Chocolate Yorkies, a different colour and they just give it a new name to sell for a higher price.. Don't know?

Hmmm..... I'd steer clear regardless, she's got way too many breeds and can't even spell out Pekingese?!?! Whatever:rolleyes: :laugh:

Maybe it's crossed with a Chinese Crested?

Is there a such thing as the American Canine Registry?

Never heard of that one:p

its most likely a mixed breed of some sort

here is a link to the acr http://www.americancanineregistry.com/default.html
I would not buy from this lady i mean if she was so speacial why is she elling them for so cheap? I think it's a hype to get it started for her. Well if it's just a cross breed between a peke and a yorkie everyone can do it what makes her so speacial? I would contact the ACR and notify them of this and see if this is an accepted breed also if not ask them if they know this breeder and why is she usining there name to sell her dogs?

why would you not send pics of the sire/dam??? hmmm sounds suspicious to me too

Most likley because one is a peke ad the other is a yorkie so how could she have pics of the mix in adult hood? I'll bet anything that is the case and thats why she woun't show you because she doesn't have an adult yet. Also the pic on her site is so small you can barley make it out and you can't even right click on her page to blow up the pic real fishy

this is absolutely ridiculous. how can this dog be a registered breed?? i think she is just bsing you. i found that picture of princess on many for sale sites. I would not trust this lady at all. she probably won't show you the parents because amber_lv is right, one is a peke and the other is a yorkie. another designer breed dog here, aka a mix or a mutt (term used lovingly)

Yes, but why wouldn't she just say that when the alternative is to look deceiptful. She never claimed to not have one...she claimed that they were "shaved" and then she said she wouldn't send me pics of them "shaved". Huh?!

I did contact ACR by e-mail, but as I mention in another thread, I'm beginning to suspect it isn't a legitimate organization for registering purebreds and neither is the BYA organization mentioned either. I think it's a cover created by the owners of Class Act to give some false legitimacy to their breed.

Sorry I do not want to be rude. I love all animals really! But I would not buy a mix dog, there are already so many at the shelter and at the pound. Anyway, this was not intended to offend anyone but I am completely against people that interbreed different type of breeds and then come out with exotic names to make extra money on mix!

Ha ha!!! Her reply to my suggestion that this is all very suspicious:

"Hi Kelly,

I don't find it suspicious at all but then I guess since they are mine, I can do as I please with them and
sell them as I please. Since there were 6 in the litter and I'm down to 2, I'd say I'm doing just
fine in the sales department.
Why don't you email ACR and see if they register the Chinese Pekies instead of take what you ASSUME
to be true from an apparent un-updated website.
I went through the NON-BELIEVERS when I imported and started registering the first German Biewers
too so I'm used to folks like you.
Am certainly glad that she won't be going into your judgemental hands.

Have a good day as I certainly will."

She would say this because suckers are a dime a dozen and most people wouldn't question it. I to think she is associated with both registries to make herself legit because if you notice on the ACR site they are giving away FREE REGISTRATION FOR 2006 this is from their siteAmerican Canine Registry is having a 2006 Breeder Appreciation Promotion. To thank our previous breeders and those expected to start registering with us ACR is giving FREE dual registrations (restrictions apply) and FREE Litter papers for the year 2006.

We could think of no better way to say Thank You for your past loyalty and to encourage others to try ACR for their registration needs. SEE DETAILS HERE!

Be sure and check out our NEW Puppy Paper program.

Easier for you - FREE to the breeder!

What legit registry would ever do this? Trust me people like that would lie through their teeth before they would ever get busted because if she says they are a peke and a yorkie that throws her whole business off this breed in the garbage

EDITED TO ADD: i really think she has started this registry

By the way, in a follow-up e-mail, she claims to have been the first person to bring over the Biewers from Germany. Wow! You'd think if she was the first that she would have a well established "kennel"...as it is, she can't even produce a picture of this new breed. To quote her: "it was ME who got them recognized in the United States and brought the first ones over just as it is ME who now has found the Pekies and am doing them"

She's also threatening to sue me for posting about her here or anywhere on the internet and that there is a new law this year that protects her from "idiots" like me. Anyone else aware of a US law that protects one individual from another individual's constitutional right to Free Speech? If there were such a law, wouldn't that be - I don't know - UNCONSITUTIONAL???

Hello. I Just saw this thread and am dismayed that this is happening. I almost hate to write this as it may get me in trouble down the road, but oh well for the sake of honest breeder information, I may be able to give you some information.

I'm rarely here on YT. Usually hang with the Biewer crowd. I have bred Yorkies for several years and this past summer have imported 2 Biewers from Germany and bought one from German imports bred in California.

Some not so careful breeders in Germany saw a chance to make money and sent inferior dogs to the USA. Some of these dogs were crossed with Biewer and Yorkie and who knows what else. Some brokers here bought them up and resold them for a profit. Sort of an import puppy mill.

The BYA (Biewer Yorkshire Association) is a club started by a few people who bought many of these "Biewers". Some of them are callling the Biewer/Yorkie crosses "splitters", "F1, F2". They are not 100% Biewer. The mixed litters are then sold as Yorkie if they are colored like Yorkies and others in the same litter that have Biewer markings are called Biewer. But they are mixed breeds.

The dogs they bought turned out not to be the best example of the breed. So, they RE-WROTE the original German standard to fit their dogs.

The original standard for the Biewer was written in Germany and remains the standard that reputable Biewer breeders strictly adhere to. It can be found at the International Biewer Club website in Germany: http://www.ach-l.de/home2.Internatio...ier%20Club.htm There are two pages in English, the rest can be translated using Alta Vista translator.

Most. if not all, pure bred Biewers are registered in Germany, and the registries show at least 3 generations, some have 5 generations as well as their championship titles if they have them and their eye, patella, etc. certifications.

The ACR (American Canine Registry) was started by one of the people who bought some of the substandard Biewer mixes so that she could find a way to register them. If you look on their "about us" page, it clearly says there is no board of directors, that it is family run. The other breeds were added IMO to make it appear more legitimate, but when I first saw it last year, it was only beginning with those dogs she bought from Germany. It is NOT an old registry, but made to look like a ligit registry.

I have heard of trouble with that Kennel before, but don't know the details. I can try to find out if you want. You are very correct to be suspicious. I think the "China connection" is baloney. Probably had an oops with Yorkie and Pekinese or maybe an intentional breeding with a nice story to promote a new "designer" breed.

This kind of deception and claims really hurts the breeds, both Yorkie and Biewer. No wonder so many Yorkie breeders are against the Biewer. OH, and a 100% Biewer is NOT a parti-colored yorkie. Biewers have a set pattern on their head, must be symetrical 3 colors, no color on legs or tail or chest. Parti's have colors appearing randomly.

Sorry this is so long. But education about the Biewer is a major goal of mine. Biewers are a beautiful breed as well as the Yorkshire Terrier and I love them both and insist they are a separate breed. Biewers are shown in rarities now, but eventually and hopefully they will be recognized as a separate breed by the FCI and AKC. But it will take eliminating misconceptions and deception. Again, sorry this is so long, but it got my attention....
Carolyn
Proud member of http://www.biewerbci.org and IBC of Germany

THANK YOU IT MAKES PERFECT SENCE. this breeder does use the term splitters, F1, F2 on her site and this is exactly what i thought was going on. Glad you knew a little about it

Thanks for that history, Carolyn. Very helpful.

By the way, I happened to get a response from the ACR e-mail I sent yesterday (well after the correspondence turned sour with Nancy Anderson of Class Act yesterday). I'd attach their reply, but they cleverly have the following statement at the bottom of the e-mail:

"The information in this e-mail are entirely the views/opinions of the sender and do not necessarily represent the views or position of the American Canine Registry. The information contained within the e-mail is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. This information may not be circulated without the written permission of American Canine Registry.
All Rights Reserved Copyright@2003"

So, instead of "circulating" it, I will summarize it:

Basically, the ACR rep claims that the Chinese Pekie was a breed introduced in Dec '96 and approved for registration at introduction. They claim it is a seventh generation cross of Pekignese/Yorkie developed in China.

She goes on to advise me that the woman from Class Act has already "forwarded" them the communication thread between the two of us yesterday. (Convenient, eh?)

Then she goes on to point out that AKC accepts 3rd generation crosses as purebred once there are enough to justify their efforts to start a breed. ACR, on the other hand, makes it possible for breeders to get started on the "ground floor". She also goes on to say that ACR is family-owned and operated (just like UKC, UKCI, APRI, CKC, ACA, and UABR. She says AKC is privately owned, but operated by a BOD and that maybe, one day, the other registries will get big enough to need a board instead of being able to offer a "personal touch" to their breeders.

I replied to their e-mail by suggesting that if the breed is 10 years old and a 7th generation cross, then they should have a photo of an adult on file that they can send me. Not to mention that I should be able to find at least ONE photo of a Chinese Pekie on the whole entire WWW, but instead I find nothing. No response from them as of yet

Carolyn,

You did a great job explaining this. I think this is information that needs to be out there. When are you writing your book, I think you write so well--I know I'd buy at least 3 copies for friends--besides one for me.

Thanks Dee, hope it doesn't backfire on me....:animal36

How are those painted babies doing? My current Yorkie litter were so fat when born I was stunned. Instead of having Mom on puppy food maybe I should have given her salads! LOL....kidding of course. Stay in touch.
Puppy Hugs,
Carolyn

I am such an internet sleuth. I just discovered a webpage where Ms. Nancy Anderson (of Texarkana, AR) ("our" Nancy Anderson) is selling her pups under the member name "Puppy Fever", which is a kennel name that appears on the ACR site as "Reserved for ACR"....proof to me that Ms. Nancy Anderson's "family" is running the ACR she proclaims as her breed registry organization.

Unfortunately, I can only find it under google in cache, so I can't link it here. I can lead you to it though:

Go to google and enter the following into the search box exactly as it appears here:

breeder "Nancy Anderson" Texarkana

The listing is titled as "Jim Beam" and is result #12. If you click on "cache" you will see her ad. Note her member name is "Puppy Fever". If you're not sure that this Nancy Anderson is the same Nancy Anderson, then click on the link at bottom to view her other items for sale and you will see a picture of the Chinese Pekie that I inquired on ("Princess").

Also, if you go here, she has another Chinese Pekie listed and where it says "seller", it identifies her name and vendor name as "Puppy Fever", which is a reserved kennel name for ACR. They are one in the same.

She also uses the e-mail address skamakawa_kennel@yahoo.com on another website (where she uses the ID name "pooperscooper"). Look on the ACR page. Another one of the kennel names is "Skamakowa". (See her user info here: http://www.katewerk.com/users.html) . Notice that she lists her website at http://www.pup4u.com on that website. Strange since that website used to be owned by Cedarcrest Kennels (out of MO, under the name of owner Marilyn Shepard - a known puppymill). Go to google and enter "Cedarcrest Kennels" or "Cedar Crest Kennels" and you will find a number of pages showing US Agriculture violations and recognition as a puppy mill. However, I can't figure out how Marilyn and Nancy are connected. I'm only connecting them by Nancy's reference to Marilyn's website as her own.

If you look again at the page where she identifies herself as "Puppy Fever" and click on her "view other items for sale by this seller", you will see pics of all her puppies. Notice how the photos are stamped with the name "Run-in-Ridge" and others are "Class Act Kennel"? Well, guess what? "Run-in-Ridge" is YET ANOTHER kennel listed on the ACR site. I bet every kennel named on the ACR site belongs to Ms. Nancy Anderson. (There is a reference here: http://store.domesticsale.com/items/109338.html to her website as "http://www.runningridgeratterriers.com/". You guessed it! "Running Ridge" is another kennel name at ACR. So we have all of the following listed as her kennels:

Class Act Kennel
Puppy Fever Kennel
Run-in-Ridge Kennel
Running Ridge Kennel
Skamokawa Kennel


What a twisted web of deceit.

I agree with you i am totally convinced she is the acr as well it's really sad if she is tied to the puppy mill wich would be another explanation of why she wouldn't show you a pic of the parents. Also why would she sent your emails to the ACR? If i was a breeder and had someone contact me and ask questions i wouldn't contact AKC to tell them that? makes no sense so it is obviously the same person.

"YOU CAN RUN, BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE" Not with the internet sleuths on the job!:cool:

Wish there was a way to shut this kind of PUPPY PIMPING DOOOOWWWWNNN!

Our TV station is out of Seattle, WA and there was a piece a while back about the Cedar watcha call it puppy mill. It said Pensylvannia is the worst state in the country for puppy mills and the laws may be changed to deal with the problem. Hope so.

Perhaps a good media alert on this would help for an investigative expose news piece for those areas?

Nice Work! I wonder how much more there is to know.:(
Carolyn

Don't know about any such new law. But, there is one on fraud and false advertisement.

The only thing I can tell you is be careful, make sure when you post that it's factual and can be proven.....she can sue on slander.

I didn't want this to get lost-
 

PEKINGESE ORINGINATED FROM CHINA.

So I'm thinking she's just calling her Pekingese, Chinese Pekingese because it sounds catchier maybe.
When's the last time you heard of an Akita being referred to as the Japanese Akita? Why bother throwing on where they're from when, if anyone is truely interested in the breed, they would already know. Some breeds, like the German Shepherd for example have their place of origin in the name, American Bulldog; Boston Terrier and so on. The Pekingese when registered didn't have the "Chinese" added in, although again that's where they originated.

So, no. I don't think she's selling a mixed breed, rather a purebred that simply has the place of origin attached to it when she refers to her dogs.
:thumbup:

Okay, after reading her site a little further, I've concluded that I was wrong and she's just an idiot.

Exposed!

:lol tears

Tammy

Hmmm, well at least you can tell she's professional- don't you always find that knowledgable, respected breeders resort to name
calling? :yelrotflm If she wants to breed a mix, that is certainly her perogative but I feel sorry for her unsuspecting buyers who are paying that kind of money and are walking around thinking they have a "rare" breed. It's funny that she keeps saying she wont share pictures of the parents because they are shaved down. If that is true, perhaps she should consider investing some time into grooming or just breed dogs that don't require as much grooming. She has made it obvious that she thinks the parents are ugly shaved down.