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dogbert 07-19-2010 03:15 PM
I mean ever, not just since this has happened. I NEVER saw or heard from them ever.

mojo 07-19-2010 03:28 PM
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Yes Pierce is a good looking guy also in a "Pretty Boy" kind of way. He always looked like he walked off a shoot for a magazine cover.

I LOVE Sam Elliott, wish we saw more of him these days. Love his voice too.:p
Oh yes, he is quite a bit older than me, but I have always found him HOT!

mojo 07-19-2010 03:30 PM
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I never heard that but that can make people act pretty crazy if they don't take their meds.
Oh yes, bipolar can (and I say this respectfully to anybody who has this disease) make you crazy. Out of your mind crazy. However, HUGE difference between crazy and physically abusive.

Nancy1999 07-19-2010 03:56 PM
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Oh yes, bipolar can (and I say this respectfully to anybody who has this disease) make you crazy. Out of your mind crazy. However, HUGE difference between crazy and physically abusive.
People who are in the manic stage of bipolar do get verbally abusive, and often feel paranoid. He has had a history of bipolar disorder and alcoholism, many people with bipolar drink in order to self-medicate. Mild cases can cause a person to be very creative, and some of his work would indicate that he is very gifted, however the down side can cause a person to want to harm himself or others. Many people with the illness don't like to take medication because it takes away their creative edge. This site gives another view, and even suggests his girlfriend may have played him, which in not usual victims of psychosis. Mel Gibson update: Mel Gibson bipolar and alcoholism: Source of audio tape rants? | Prime Writer News Network

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Now the legitimacy of the 'Mel Gibson tapes' has been called into question and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office is conducting an investigation through forensic testing to determine whether or not they were edited. Mel Gibson is an admitted alcoholic and sufferer of bi polar disorder with several arrests relating to DUI in his past. Mel Gibson tapes, biography, alcoholism and latest news updates

QuickSilver 07-19-2010 04:13 PM
I'm extremely skeptical of the editing claims. As insane as they were, the conversations flowed pretty naturally. And Mel said SO many disgusting, scary things, I think most of us could have been secretly taped for the past ten years, and there still wouldn't be as much damning material as has been leaked about Mel. And no, I'm not exaggerating.

He didn't sound manic to me. He sounded enraged and abusive. And generally people do not medicate during their mania, because it's a good feeling. If they drink, it's far more likely to be while they feel depressed, which implies lethargy.

dogbert 07-19-2010 04:35 PM
If he wasn't talking to her who was he talking to/about to say those things? Pretty vicious no matter what.

mojo 07-19-2010 04:48 PM
Yeah, not buying that in the least. Sorry. I looked at the sight and it's the usual, blame the woman. And wow, she magically got pregnant all by herself. No, I grew up with that kind of #$@ and he is NOT the victim!

nana911 07-19-2010 04:49 PM
radaronline is the one obtaining the tapes. they claim that they have had them examined forensically and that they have not been doctored, for whatever that's worth.

dogbert 07-19-2010 05:17 PM
Sadly other big stars have done bad things and still got gigs. He will too he just may not get as much money per movie etc as he was for awhile.

Nancy1999 07-19-2010 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3205324)
I'm extremely skeptical of the editing claims. As insane as they were, the conversations flowed pretty naturally. And Mel said SO many disgusting, scary things, I think most of us could have been secretly taped for the past ten years, and there still wouldn't be as much damning material as has been leaked about Mel. And no, I'm not exaggerating.

He didn't sound manic to me. He sounded enraged and abusive. And generally people do not medicate during their mania, because it's a good feeling. If they drink, it's far more likely to be while they feel depressed, which implies lethargy.
I do not think you can tell a manic by the sound of speech, although some do sound enraged and abusive, however not every enraged person is suffering from bipolar disorder. It actually takes months if not years to diagnosis someone with bipolar disorder and often a diagnosis is made depending upon which medication helps, for example, schizoaffective can look like biopolor, and behavior is often very similar. There are also euphoric manias when people are extremely happy, but it may turn to an aggressive mania as they get agitated, and yes many do drink in the manic stage. Remember that alcohol is a depressant; they are often trying to calm the hyperactivity of their thoughts.

QuickSilver 07-19-2010 05:34 PM
I'm not questioning whether Mel has bipolar disorder. If he says he has it, I'm inclined to believe him. What I'm saying is, those conversations cannot be explained away with a bipolar diagnosis. I mean, anything is possible, but not everything is likely, or even reasonable.

I believe that bipolar people in their manic stages do not not want to slow themselves down. That's been my personal experience and my understanding of the disorder.

Nancy1999 07-19-2010 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3205433)
I'm not questioning whether Mel has bipolar disorder. If he says he has it, I'm inclined to believe him. What I'm saying is, those conversations cannot be explained away with a bipolar diagnosis. I mean, anything is possible, but not everything is likely, or even reasonable.

I believe that bipolar people in their manic stages do not not want to slow themselves down. That's been my personal experience and my understanding of the disorder.
I have worked with people with mental disorders, including bipolar and schizophrenia, and it's not what TV, movies, and common knowledge project it to be. I think it's important to understand that people suffering from these illnesses are very often the victims. I understand mental illness is hard on the families, but it's absolute hell for the victims of the illness, and the worse part is the general public judges them like they would judge a sane person who's just an a-hole. If he indeed is a bipolar victim, he has very little control over his emotions, his thoughts or his actions. It's even more difficult for the wealthy to get treatment because they can pay people to tell them they're not sick, and don't need medication. Or they tell them that they just are an alcoholic, which is still so much more acceptable than having bipolar illness. Rich people's little skirmishes with the law can be brushed aside, but poor people are often court ordered to get treatment. He sounds like he needs treatment to me, and I haven't even heard the tapes.

tjdmom 07-19-2010 06:19 PM
Speaking of editing things, I had a friend once who was stopped on the street by a reporter about a court case involving a local politician. She said "I haven't really followed the case but if he did it, he deserves it" She was on the news that night saying "He deserves it" big difference between what she actually said and what was on the news. Really, none of us really know what went on with Mel Gibson and can only speculate. For all we know, he could have been practicing for a new movie script. And I'm sorry, maybe this is mean but I think water seeks its own level. I really don't feel all that sorry for either party. I do feel sorry for an innocent child who has been brought into this world and into the midst of all this chaos. I don't believe the girlfriend is a totally innocent victim either. I think she knew exactly what she was doing.

mojo 07-19-2010 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tjdmom (Post 3205496)
Speaking of editing things, I had a friend once who was stopped on the street by a reporter about a court case involving a local politician. She said "I haven't really followed the case but if he did it, he deserves it" She was on the news that night saying "He deserves it" big difference between what she actually said and what was on the news. Really, none of us really know what went on with Mel Gibson and can only speculate. For all we know, he could have been practicing for a new movie script. And I'm sorry, maybe this is mean but I think water seeks its own level. I really don't feel all that sorry for either party. I do feel sorry for an innocent child who has been brought into this world and into the midst of all this chaos. I don't believe the girlfriend is a totally innocent victim either. I think she knew exactly what she was doing.
He punched her teeth out and the police are looking into that. That's one hell of a script.

chachi 07-19-2010 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3205488)
I have worked with people with mental disorders, including bipolar and schizophrenia, and it's not what TV, movies, and common knowledge project it to be. I think it's important to understand that people suffering from these illnesses are very often the victims. I understand mental illness is hard on the families, but it's absolute hell for the victims of the illness, and the worse part is the general public judges them like they would judge a sane person who's just an a-hole. If he indeed is a bipolar victim, he has very little control over his emotions, his thoughts or his actions. It's even more difficult for the wealthy to get treatment because they can pay people to tell them they're not sick, and don't need medication. Or they tell them that they just are an alcoholic, which is still so much more acceptable than having bipolar illness. Rich people's little skirmishes with the law can be brushed aside, but poor people are often court ordered to get treatment. He sounds like he needs treatment to me, and I haven't even heard the tapes.
I agree also bipolar people dont want to slow down frfom the manic stages because they dont know any better untill they get on a medicine that regulates them untill then they think they are fine. That is another reason why its hard to get them help they almost have to hit rock bottom


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