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RowdysMom 04-29-2009 06:16 PM
Another aspect to know - yes, it is affecting healthy adults more IN MEXICO and this is due to the hyper immune system response which causes the lungs to fill with fluid = pneumonia, and more serious illness/death.

BUT, this flu has a type A component which apparently was in the flu shot we (U.S.) got last fall and that's why it is not as bad in the U.S. (deaths) as in Mexico.

I think everyone is being overly cautious - but again, this is s new type of flu and even if it turns out to be relatively mild in the U.S., it still could make lots of people sick.

Erin 04-29-2009 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RowdysMom (Post 2600821)
Another aspect to know - yes, it is affecting healthy adults more IN MEXICO and this is due to the hyper immune system response which causes the lungs to fill with fluid = pneumonia, and more serious illness/death.

BUT, this flu has a type A component which apparently was in the flu shot we (U.S.) got last fall and that's why it is not as bad in the U.S. (deaths) as in Mexico.

I think everyone is being overly cautious - but again, this is s new type of flu and even if it turns out to be relatively mild in the U.S., it still could make lots of people sick.
Interesting. I didn't get my flu shot this year because we didn't have insurance in the fall (come on...healthcare! sorry, anyway) I'm going to the doctor tomorrow maybe I should ask for one...

oopsmyhalofello 04-29-2009 06:20 PM
I'm concerned about this flu, and am taking precautions as far as being aware of not touching my face and doorknobs, railings and such.

I do think the media is dramatizing it, but there is the potential for this to be a very serious health so I'm glad that we are hearing about where it is and what it being done to try to slow it down. Even if it isn't any worse the the strain of the seasonal flu it is seeming to be something that will effect many more people. I just read something that helped me understand, i'll just quote it because I can't explain what i'm trying to say. I do get concerned about illness because my husband has lung disease and one of my children has a really poor immune system so i have done a lot of reading about it.

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The spanish flu that caused so much trouble in 1918 was not a particularly lethal strain, the problem is that it spread amazingly fast to large numbers of people. What this meant is that even though it only had a 1% kill rate, it infected enough people that that 1% kill rate translated into a significant number of people. The other thing about that flu is that it killed otherwise healthy young adults. Another similarity with this new swine flu strain.
What this means is that for you personally, this flu might not mean much. You might not get it. If you do you might feel ill for a few days and nothing more. But it is a nightmare for public officials, because even though most people who get it will be fine, if it keeps spreading the way it is now, eventually enough people are going to get infected and the number of deaths will start to rise. H1N1 flu: past (spanish flu) and present (Swine flu) « LIP SERVICE

wemple2 04-29-2009 06:30 PM
I am concerned, but not panicked. The public needs to be aware of the possibilities...it's the media's job to do so. I've watched the news broadcast...I think they are doing everything they can to keep it in perspective. Wash your hands people...stay home if your sick...consult your doctor.

jenfur4 04-29-2009 06:45 PM
I'll admit I'm getting a little concerned. We're really far south in Texas, only about 10 miles away from the border, and to make it a little more interesting my fiance is a Border Patrol agent, so he's in contact with people coming from Mexico quite frequently. I had heard a couple reports that they were thinking about shutting down the ports of entry from Mexico into the US.

I haven't heard anything about schools being closed or anything like that here though, but I have seen quite a few people in masks walking around our apartment complex!

Patti 04-29-2009 07:03 PM
I wasn't too concerned, then an hour ago, my dtr's best friend texted her that she just had a patient that tested positive for swine flu. She works at a 24 hour immediate care facility 10 minutes away. I want more details.

cheeselover8481 04-29-2009 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 2600797)
I tried to explain it. They are concerned because this is a new strain of flu to which no one has any immunity, and it is showing signs of being deadly to healthy, robust adults. They don't know how viciously it will spread but since it is a new strain they have to take stronger precautions than they would normally take with the seasonal flu. The seasonal flu stinks but typically a healthy individual would recover without treatment... They think this is different.
Don't they have 2 medications that help it? I guess I'm just real confused about it. Where is a map that shows where all they found cases? I know cnn had one, but can't find it.

mimimomo 04-29-2009 07:21 PM
Here's a link to the map
 
Map: Swine flu cases in the U.S. - Swine flu- msnbc.com

cheeselover8481 04-29-2009 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 2600951)
Thanks1 Btw, my parents live in Alabama and their schools are closed through monday. There are two uncofirmed cases (probably explains why the map doesn't show it yet), but they're taking the precautions and closing schools. You would think NM would have confirmed cases since it's on the border.

DvlshAngel985 04-30-2009 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 2599298)
I don't know if I should be too worried. I use to work for a pediatrician, my roommate still does, and they have been having so many calls and people come in about this flu. The doctor assured her and all his patients that it is only a different strain of the flu, but it's still the flu. As long as you wash your hands and take care like any other flu outbreak then you should be fine.
As far as Mexico... The one place I think keeps getting mentioned on the news is Mexico City, and as I remember it, these are the odds...
1400 cases are known of people who got sick, in a city of 80000000 people. So, 0.00175% of the population in Mexico city have gotten sick by that strain. It sounds a lot more scary if the news just keeps saying "1400 documented cases." People have gotten sick, and even died by other strains of the flu, of which according to my bio classes are many!!! There are more strains of the flu than there are vaccines for them. I'm not saying people shouldn't be careful, I'm just questioning how much it's blown out of proportion by fear brought on by the news. It is smart to be cautious and to stay away from sick people, or if you're sick stay at home instead of bringing the illness to the office. Wash your hands and take any other precautions that you would take during any other flu season.
I feel really weird quoting my own post, but I don't think some people have read it. The advice given to me was by a pediatrician, who works with some of the people in this world that are the most susceptible to any potential infections, babies and small children. As for healthy adults being the victims to this virus, I feel really bad for their families, but we have to remember complications do happen. Being healthy is not a guarantee that things won't go bad, the odds are in your favor if your healthy and you take the right precautions. If your immune system is compromised then your chances of things going really bad are higher.

Oh, and some have confused bacterial infections with viruses. A bacteria is alive whereas a virus... is hard to define. It needs a host in order to replicate itself, and it doesn't really require food either. While it is important to be cautious and be informed it does not help anyone for the media to do nothing but report on this strain of the flu.
It has gotten so bad that my cousin is sitting at home crying because the news thinks that there might be signs of the swine flu in her area. What good is the media doing us now? If the news just want to paralyze us with fear, then what? I think they've gone to far.

linda44 04-30-2009 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by juliaw04 (Post 2600813)
If I may ask, why are you avoiding fast food places? Is it because of pork in their products? This is a respiratory illness, not bacterial. Eating pork will not make you sick....

Anything animal related, mad cow disease and now this, makes me fear for the farmer. Overreactions of the media can have drastic negative consequences on the agricultural industry. :(
no more so because of people going in possibly sick, say sitting and eating then we come along and sit at same table, use restroom etc after the infected person. A virus can stay active on hard surfaces at least 2 hours, and in ideal conditions sometimes 10 hours. One of my departments Im in charge of is Sanitation/housekeeping, were wiping down high touch places more than normal now for prevention

IluvLucy 04-30-2009 03:41 AM
I believe the media creates a lot of the world's problems today!

With that said - the "normal" flu season is nearing its end in the Northern Hemisphere, but just beginning in the Southern Hemisphere. The fear is that this particular flu will strengthen in the Southern Hemisphere during their flu season and return to the Northern Hemisphere in the fall in a stronger, more deadly version.

The scary thing about this flu is that it strikes normally healthy, younger people. Check out past flu pandemics on the 'net - it'll give a lot of information about what CAN happen. Especially, check out the "Spanish flu" outbreak in the 19teens.

I believe everyone should take precautions - but not panic. The advice given here to wash, wash, wash and keep your hands away from your mouth, nose, and eyes is the best advice out there right now. But, those are things we should be doing anyway.

IluvLucy 04-30-2009 03:42 AM
1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

celstu1 04-30-2009 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanm1963 (Post 2599910)
the news just said they have new cases in Massachusetts
Yes, I found out there are 4 cases REALLY close to where I live and work. They did close a school for a week in Kennibunkport ME. :eek: All the cases so far have been children, which is so sad :( The 2 cases in Lowell MA are 2 little boys ages 9 & 13 that went to Mexico on school vacation with their family.

tsurc 04-30-2009 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 2600789)
It's a precaution, not a scare tactic. Limiting contact is the best way to prevent the spread.

I worked in a school for a while and when we would have winter bugs going around we would have low attendance anyway - or during freak-outs like when some kid got MRSA and half the parents kept their kids home. It makes more sense to just close and clean the school because otherwise you have 6 kids sitting in a classroom with a sub because the teacher is sick or the teacher's kids are sick. Schools are the worst for passing around this kind of stuff. Kids switch classes, share desks, locker rooms, etc. I would clean my desk every morning and throughout the day and I STILL got sick, I had a cold or strep or something about every 2 weeks. Since I have stopped working there (last summer) I have had nothing contagious! Amazing how that works. :D
Since taking my kids out of public school over 2 years ago they haven't been sick *knock on wood*. That's saying alot since my youngest would have chronic ear infections.

ambernicole21 04-30-2009 07:21 AM
We are up to 140 suspected cases here in my town. They also closed all daycares now also. So 2 weeks with all my kids here then 1 wk back in school then summertime. Its just crazy!!!

hugz4all4 04-30-2009 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Patti (Post 2600922)
I wasn't too concerned, then an hour ago, my dtr's best friend texted her that she just had a patient that tested positive for swine flu. She works at a 24 hour immediate care facility 10 minutes away. I want more details.

Please correct me if Im wrong, but unless they have a "immediate test kit" now that shows swine flu, doenst it take 24 to 48 hours to get a officially diagnosis?? :confused: We have a student here in upstate NY that went on vacation in mexico that they suspected she has swine flu, but it took 2 days to get the officially diagnosis cause they had to send the sample to a lab.
Im not super concerned right now, even though we have had several people in different counties around me being tested for it and one school has been closed through the weekend because of the one student I posted above about. (so far one person has only tested postive, others have tested positive for the normal flu that goes around every year) However if hits in my county or near my kids school I will be pulling them out untill it passes. My kids usually catch everything going around ( xcept the flu cause the are vaxed for it) and Im not taking any chances.
I do beleive that the media is blowing out of porportion some, however people do need to be aware of how big of a problem this can become.
I really hope that it passes quickly without too many fatalities..:(

Ramseymom 04-30-2009 09:53 AM
Is anyone concerned about a vaccination for it and side effects it could cause? I have never gotten a flu shot because I just am not convinced that it doesn't have long-term side effects.

maxmom 04-30-2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramseymom (Post 2601513)
Is anyone concerned about a vaccination for it and side effects it could cause? I have never gotten a flu shot because I just am not convinced that it doesn't have long-term side effects.
The vaccine and its possible side effects worries me most than the flu it self.

hugz4all4 04-30-2009 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramseymom (Post 2601513)
Is anyone concerned about a vaccination for it and side effects it could cause? I have never gotten a flu shot because I just am not convinced that it doesn't have long-term side effects.

Yeah, Im really concerned about the vaccine that they are trying to put together for this flu. I would think that it would take awhile to create it and test it to make sure its safe, but then again they have made vax's in the past that they pulled because they had issues with them later on. I probably wouldnt get it for me and my family unless this virus becomes super deadly. :(

Nancy1999 04-30-2009 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramseymom (Post 2601513)
Is anyone concerned about a vaccination for it and side effects it could cause? I have never gotten a flu shot because I just am not convinced that it doesn't have long-term side effects.
There is no vaccination for the swine flu. I use to feel the same way you do about flu shots, but after getting it 2 years in a row around the Holidays, I thought I'd take my chance with the shot. I've gotten the shot 3 years now, and no flu, everyone else I know gets it, but I don't. They don't use a live virus in the shots anymore, if you are allergic to eggs, you shouldn't take it, but it's so wonderful knowing you're not going to be sick for Christmas, because the show must go on, no matter how sick mama is. :D I think part of the reason that this is considered so serious is that anyone can get it, and no one has been protected against it.

Ramseymom 04-30-2009 10:04 AM
I got a bad case of the stomach flu a couple of months ago (lost 11 pounds in 4 days). I went to the doctor afterward, only because DH was concerned. The flu was so bad that there was no way I could have gone during it. Anyway, he said that from now on I should get a yearly flu shot so I wouldn't get this again. That didn't make sense to me since my mother always gets the flu shot and she got the stomach flu just as badly as I had had it.

jp4m2 04-30-2009 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 2601526)
Yeah, Im really concerned about the vaccine that they are trying to put together for this flu. I would think that it would take awhile to create it and test it to make sure its safe, but then again they have made vax's in the past that they pulled because they had issues with them later on. I probably wouldnt get it for me and my family unless this virus becomes super deadly. :(
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The vaccine and its possible side effects worries me most than the flu it self.
Personally I wouldn't touch a new vaccine with a ten foot syringe......I won't touch the flu shot either, never have had one, and never will...Read too much on the ineffectiveness of it and the toxic ingredients in it.......

manolos mom 04-30-2009 10:14 AM
Fort Worth ISD has shut School down for one week. Authorities are urging people not to take their children to daycare either. How on earth are they suppose to work? What about the grocery stores, Lots of products from Mexico around here. What to do!!!

Nancy1999 04-30-2009 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramseymom (Post 2601528)
I got a bad case of the stomach flu a couple of months ago (lost 11 pounds in 4 days). I went to the doctor afterward, only because DH was concerned. The flu was so bad that there was no way I could have gone during it. Anyway, he said that from now on I should get a yearly flu shot so I wouldn't get this again. That didn't make sense to me since my mother always gets the flu shot and she got the stomach flu just as badly as I had had it.

Stomach flu isn't really covered with most flu shots. It's a little confusing, but the flu shot covers something that cause what seems to be an extreme cold, with muscle aches, head aches, fever, sore throats and coughing. It can lead to other things, such as pneumonia or bronchitis. The stomach flu, however, is called gastroenteritis, it is not caused by the influenza virus.

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The flu shot protects against influenza, which isn't the same thing as the stomach flu (gastroenteritis). Gastroenteritis is an infection caused by a variety of viruses, including rotaviruses and noroviruses. Although it is often called the stomach flu, it is not caused by influenza viruses.

Real flu (influenza) attacks your respiratory system — your nose, throat and lungs — causing fever, muscle aches, coughing and congestion. Gastroenteritis, on the other hand, attacks your intestines, causing symptoms such as watery diarrhea, nausea, vomiting and stomach cramps.

No vaccine is available for gastroenteritis with the exception of a newly released rotavirus vaccine called RotaTeq, an oral vaccine for infants. However, you can reduce your risk of gastroenteritis by frequent and thorough hand washing.

The flu vaccine is the most effective way to reduce your risk of getting influenza. Flu shot: Will it prevent the stomach flu? - MayoClinic.com
The swine flu has symptoms of the regular flu, although some people have reported nausea with it as well.

Ramseymom 04-30-2009 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2601554)
Stomach flu isn't really covered with most flu shots. It's a little confusing, but the flu shot covers something that cause what seems to be an extreme cold, with muscle aches, head aches, fever, sore throats and coughing. It can lead to other things, such as pneumonia or bronchitis. The stomach flu, however, is called gastroenteritis, it is not caused by the influenza virus.



The swine flu has symptoms of the regular flu, although some people have reported nausea with it as well.
Well, that's what I thought. I didn't think the flu shot would stop you from getting the stomach flu. That's why it really confused me when he said it. :rolleyes:

Nancy1999 04-30-2009 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramseymom (Post 2601560)
Well, that's what I thought. I didn't think the flu shot would stop you from getting the stomach flu. That's why it really confused me when he said it. :rolleyes:
People use the words interchangeably, and it causes so much confusion. They really should call it the influenza shot!

bchgirl 04-30-2009 11:22 AM
I didn't read this entire thread but personally I think the CDC is creating mass hysteria. There have always been deaths contributed to the flu...it happens when the flu turns into pneumonia. The people most likely to suffer are the ones who have always been the most susceptible...the elderly, the very young, and anyone with a compromised immune system.

zoeybear 04-30-2009 11:33 AM
First case found in our County. My daughter wanted to stay home sick the other day. She told me she has swine flu and then cracked up!

donnarod 04-30-2009 11:40 AM
I am starting to get concerned about this. My husband buys and sells animals.
Posted an ad on Craigslist today for him, "pigs for sale". He got a call from a local news station today and they wanted to come out and interview him, to educate people about eating pork does not cause you to get the swine flu. He declined because he has had so much publicity about his farm, with exotic animals, etc. long story, will cut to the chase. Now, my granddaughter has a trip planned to Mexico, flying out Sunday and he she determined to go unless they close the borders. I will be keeping her Pom while she is gone, but I don't want her to come to my home when she returns.


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