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julietimothy 01-30-2009 11:53 AM

bad dogs being breed
 
I tell everyone, there is all kinds of breeder, some that know they have mean dogs and still breed them. I don't care if they are tiny or champions or what her if they are not nice dogs with good personality they should never be breed!!!! But this is why you go to the breeder's and see her dogs if you have kids that them. See how their dog acts around you, your kid and the other dogs she has. If the dog is not good the puppy may not grow up to be a very nice dog. I have many Yorkie and Maltese and they are love each other and people of all ages. So it is not all Yorkies!!!!!!!!!!! Don't down the hole breed because someone did not do their homework when buying a puppy or did not train them!!!!!!!!!!

Bizzymammabee 01-30-2009 11:57 AM

If the terrier breed was bad my son would be torn to shreds. I always joke and say he is like Elmira from the looney tunes...loves his pups to death. Instead my pups will just go the other way when he gets to being too much for them. It comes down to the breeding and training of your dog.

kidmuzicdotcom 01-30-2009 12:08 PM

I too agree it is not the breed it is the owners not taking responsibility to train their dogs.... we have 2 dogs and everyone says "how do you guys always get such great dogs" well we work with them and they are well behaved...don't generalize or sterio type....my yorkie has never bitten anyone and she is very well behaved and sweet....I'm sorry about your son and i hope he is ok ...I know you are upset and frustrated right now but you must have liked something about your yorkie mix or you wouldn't have her and I know you love her as we all love ours because you refer to her as your baby..

tumismom 01-30-2009 12:16 PM

I am sorry about what happened to your son..
But PLEASE DO NOT BLAME THE BREED!! It is because the dog that your friend has is not well trained. It has nothing to do with the breed.

My 3 girls are pure breed Yorkies and they are the sweetest, most gentle, most loving little ones.
I am really offended that you blame the breed instead of looking deeper into this situation..

Yorkiekids 01-30-2009 12:28 PM

It's really not the breed, but bad owners. Obviously he needs some serious training.

chloesMama 01-30-2009 12:46 PM

:( I'm sorry your son was bitten and I hope he is feeling better soon.

But IMO the problem is not terriers (either a specific one or in general ) but your friends attitude towards training her dog. She didn't / doesn't bother to train her dog , she accepts his behavior as appropriate or just "terrier" behavior and lets him continue to act that way without any discipline ... so really what is the dog going to do? In reality most trained terriers of anykind ,be it Yorkie or mix , do not act that way .

When I bought Sydney ( my first terrier mix ) I was told by my vet that terriers were a breed all their own ;) they were strong willed and high energy , but if properly trained they were a wonderful, loving , fun dog . She made it very clear if I didn't want to take the time to train my dog , especially given the fact it was a terrier , then don't buy it. And believe me my little Syd Vicious needed LOTS of training!

So while I can see why you are upset (I would be LIVID also !!) Dont take it out on all terriers...yes ,they are a breed unto their own but with proper training they are wonderful pets ,but if left to their own devices and allowed full control , they will take it.

I mean honestly , would she allow a large breed dog to act that way without trying to regain control? While a bite from a big dog would certainly do more harm , a small dog needs just as much training and decipline as a big dog.

heatherm0890 01-30-2009 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2445718)
Wow, I must be having a PMS day or something because this thread GREATLY offends me. Why would you come on to a YORKIE forum and start bashing the breed????? I have no sympathy for this situation. I would never take my boys (who are not untrained, humping, biting machines) into a situation where I was uncomfortable with someone else's dog. Sorry, but they shouldn't have to keep their dog crated, it's their house.

Sorry about your son but one could argue that you should not have allowed him to be anywhere near that dog if you were that worried about it.

THANK YOU AMANDA!
Bailee was hardly any trouble to potty train(first few days were rocky) but within 2 weks she had it and is now reliable at 5 months! I taught her to sit stay and shake Wednesday.It's now friday and will do it for whomever asks her to now.She never barks, in fact I asked the vet to make sure her throat and all seemed normal because she never makes a sound. And as far as territorial? puhlease...shes the biggest cuddlebug in the world...although she does growl if she hears my roomate come in late...but thats a GOOD thing.Why would you come to a YORKIE forum and talk crap about them...that doesnt even make good sense!

littlewhip 01-30-2009 02:24 PM

Wow Im sorry your son was bite , but i have to agree here with everyone else, I have 6 babies and NOT one MEAN one
Most of us here have small children and grandkids and i have never heard of any real means ones, My babies dont even growl, Its all about the owners and how they rasie them, Just like any other breed, Its not there fault its lack of training and education on the owner IMHO ....

greyacresmom 01-30-2009 02:39 PM

Why does everyone always blame the dog or the dog breed. A good owner is what matters. I get so tired of blaiming the dog. IT IS AN ANIMAL. They need training. None of my terriers are like that at all. :thumbdown

mscat 01-30-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LoveMyReese (Post 2445555)
...Or ANY terrier for that matter. Every Yorkie I've ever been exposed to has been crazy territorial. To the point that it's nearly obnoxious. Last night put the icing on the cake, and now I have a "bad taste in my mouth" about ever owning a purebred terrier of any kind. I've had a Toy Rat Terrier who was just as bad as our friend's dog. But sure as heck never BIT anyone. Here's what happened...

Our friends have a Yorkie. He's the most hyperactive, HORNY little dog I've ever seen in my life. He's really just a bad-mannered dog. I never allow them to bring him to my house. Well last night they invited us for dinner and dessert and wanted us to bring Reese. I told them OK, but I don't want their dog exposed to her (He'd hump my baby like crazy!!!).

Well sure enough they had their dog out all night. All he did was torment Reese. She wanted no part of it.

Well about an hour before we left, Reese was laying next to me, and their dog had his nose so far up her butt I'm surprised she didn't bite him. Chayce (my 3 year old SON) walked over to pet Reese on the head, and within a split second their dog lunged toward chayce and BIT HIM IN THE FACE!


I was BEYOND furious because all night i'd told them their dog was getting annoying. Chayce was bleeding like crazy, but "luckily" it was just 2 small teeth marks on his lip. Yep. Their dog bit my baby boy on his freaking MOUTH!

They gave us his paperwork to show us he's up to date on his shots, we cleaned chayce's mouth out, gave him some benadryl.... It was just a bad situation. I love my friends to pieces, but their dog. Not so much.


I am sorry your son was bitten. Of course your son comes first. I am confused as to why you brought your dog over to someone else's home knowing they had a untrained pet? And little children are unpredictable as well as dogs... the dog may have been startled. Many toy breeds do not do well with young children. It is not just the terrier breed. Things happen in an instant.
To blame ALL terriers for being badly behaved, and terrible is not right. You were already having reservations about your friends dog, so I am very confused as to why you exposed your dog and small child to this situation? Going into their home , and having an idea as to what to expect, then something bad happens. As A parent often does, will place blame on anything and anyone when something happens to our kids. Yet it all could have been prevented in the first place.
My Suzi is the most loving, friendly sweet Yorkie ever. However, I would not trust a little child to be around her , for fear of something like this happening.
I am a bit confused as to why you would be a member on YT and not like the terrier breed? Does not make sense to me?

Nancy1999 01-30-2009 02:56 PM

I too am sorry your son was bitten, and I understand you are upset. Would you mind telling us, what you were hoping this thread would accomplish, or were you just angry? Are these people acting like their dog is better than yours or something, or putting her down because she's mixed? It sounds like someone has made you very defensive.

Guccimom 02-02-2009 10:35 PM

It is obvious that the op was upset when she started this thread.
I just wanted to add to the facts b/c I've had many an incidents with kids around Gucci and he's never ever snapped at any of them. As a matter of fact I keep kids away from him b/c when Gucci was about a year old a child kicked him so hard I swear I wanted to kick that child right back and worst the father who did absolutely nothing.
Then there was this other kid who's mother insisted I let him pet my dog only to grab my dog's fur and yank at it. All my poor Gucci did was cry. THAT child too I wanted to slap across the face.
I can go on and on about these cases and so after lesson much learnt and my poor Gucci now being petrified of these small people, I keep them away from him unless it's a "trusted" child.

Also, Gucci doesn't like for other dogs to play with him or come near him and thus i do not bring him to anyone's home who have dogs of their own.

morgan111 02-02-2009 10:51 PM

im sorry that your little one got bit ,our wee ones are not at all like that with children our grand kids are little and we never have had any problems .having said that the kids are not allowed to be mean to them either .it sounds like this dog just need some training .this is just how i feel

cheryl19 02-03-2009 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2446356)
I too am sorry your son was bitten, and I understand you are upset. Would you mind telling us, what you were hoping this thread would accomplish, or were you just angry? Are these people acting like their dog is better than yours or something, or putting her down because she's mixed? It sounds like someone has made you very defensive.

:thumbup::thumbup: Well said Nancy :thumbup::thumbup:

Ashley V 02-03-2009 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Guccimom (Post 2451820)
It is obvious that the op was upset when she started this thread.
I just wanted to add to the facts b/c I've had many an incidents with kids around Gucci and he's never ever snapped at any of them. As a matter of fact I keep kids away from him b/c when Gucci was about a year old a child kicked him so hard I swear I wanted to kick that child right back and worst the father who did absolutely nothing.
Then there was this other kid who's mother insisted I let him pet my dog only to grab my dog's fur and yank at it. All my poor Gucci did was cry. THAT child too I wanted to slap across the face.
I can go on and on about these cases and so after lesson much learnt and my poor Gucci now being petrified of these small people, I keep them away from him unless it's a "trusted" child.

Also, Gucci doesn't like for other dogs to play with him or come near him and thus i do not bring him to anyone's home who have dogs of their own.

Your poor Gucci sounds like what Chip has been through! When we picked him up from the broker (yes he was a puppy mill dog), they had two SCREAMING little kids... I'm not even talking normal screaming... like loud, obnoxious screaming. He was petrified of everyone! Then as he got older we would take him places to try and get him to socialize and one time at Petsmart a group of like 6 kids came up, cornered him around the guinea pig cages and started pulling at his hair. He was not happy. I picked him up so fast and told those kdis a thing or two. Then another time some kid came up and asked nicely to pet my dogs. I said that he could pet Smokey, but not Chip, because after all Chip had been through with kids, he's not a big fan of them. As I was trying to hold Smokey still (this kid was like 4 and I have no idea where his mother was), he was literally chasing Chip around me. Chip wanted to be left alone so he was trying to get away from this kid. I kept saying, "no don't do that, pet this dog, no don't do that, pet this dog" over and over again and he wouldn't listen. Finally Chip turned around and showed his teeth cause he had enough. He wasn't going to bite or anything, I think that was just his way of trying to scare the kid. The kid then turned around and pet Smokey. Then his mom happened to walk by and said "That dog is MEAN!" He's not mean, you were just provoking him you little brat. Chip does good with kids if they are calm. He just doesn't like it when they are excited and jumping, running, screaming, etc. He likes to be able to come to them and they have to earn his trust.

MindieRose 02-03-2009 05:21 AM

I have 6 young kids, the youngest being 20 months, and she can carry both of my yorkies around like baby dolls without incident. Obviously your friends dog is undisaplined around children. My cousin had a yorkie years back that was allowed to bite at and snap at anyone because "his bite didn't hurt that bad" and "he couldn't do that much damage". It drove me crazy. I never allowed my children to touch him. It's really annoying and makes it hard to visit people that don't want to control their animals or kennel them when you are there. You are better off not going there and just having them come visit you instead.

crystalsmom 02-03-2009 05:28 AM

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crystalsmom 02-03-2009 05:37 AM

Ooops
 
I am so sorry your little boy was bitten:(

Yes, the terrier is a spunky little dog but what I love most is the fact that they are so intelligent and training is easy. I might add that when they are not neutered they are going to hump but you can't blame that on the dog.

Hope things get better for you.

Marcellacml 02-03-2009 08:41 AM

I hope your son is doing okay. That must have been very scary for him! The owners should never have let him loose knowing his type of behavior. That is why when people visit my house I close them(dogs) in a separate room. No matter how well trained a dog is he is still a dog.

Nancy1999 02-03-2009 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellacml (Post 2452196)
I hope your son is doing okay. That must have been very scary for him! The owners should never have let him loose knowing his type of behavior. That is why when people visit my house I close them(dogs) in a separate room. No matter how well trained a dog is he is still a dog.

Do you mean you always close the dogs off when you have company? I've had dogs all my life and I've never done this.

piptickle 02-03-2009 10:04 AM

I'm sorry for what happened to your son but all terriers should not be tarred with the same brush!
I have 3 dogs- 2 of which are terriers, Mika my yorkie and Nikki my staff (traditional staff not amstaff). I also have 4 children ranging in age from 1 1/2 to 11. Neither of my terriers are territorial in the slightest-anyone (including my kids) can take the food out of their mouths without even the slightest hint of aggression. Neither terrier has ever even growled or snapped at anyone,ever! My Staff is 6 years old and we have had her since she was 6 weeks old-she has had 3 litters of pups and anyone can go in with those pups from the minute of birth and she is just sooo pleased to see them and never displays any aggression. (I don't allow everyone in by choice, but she really does not mind) If someone were to break in our house I'm afraid my 2 terriers would greet them like long lost friends my sheepdog on the other hand might be the one to protect us and our home (although he is totally soft and gentle with those he knows). Mika is an absolutely sweet and adorable little thing and rarely barks (I mean very rarely-she's practically mute!) Infact all 3 of my dogs are quiet and they do as they are told-immediately. Good training is essential and its true that terriers can be strong willed but my will is stronger:p and my dogs know that they are at the very bottom of not just our family pack but under anyone that we bring into our home!!!

Marcellacml 02-03-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2452242)
Do you mean you always close the dogs off when you have company? I've had dogs all my life and I've never done this.

Yes, I don't trust them or the people visiting.

MindieRose 02-03-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellacml (Post 2452512)
Yes, I don't trust them or the people visiting.

I crate the dogs if someone comes to the door like a mailman or ups guy. Cleo is protective and the others will just try to go home with them.
If someone is visiting with kids I will crate them too. I don't know how other peoples kids are going to be with my dogs, and sometimes I DO know how they will be and thats why I crate them. I don't think my dogs would deliberately hurt a child, but if one of them is being tortured, I cannot trust that they wouldnt try to defend themselves.


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