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Jacklynn 10-23-2008 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2295167)
i am asking you to put yourself in this dogs position. and i am asking you to rethink your comment. do you not feel the suffering that this dog went through? take a moment and think about it please. thanks.

What comment should I rethink? The fact that I think that it is important that we raise awareness as to who puppies get sold to and not place SOLE anger towards the lady. I never said she shouldn't be punished. All I was stating was that I think we need to place some responsiblity on the breeder or puppy store that sold her the pup even though she has a mental illness that would allow her to do such a thing.

My comment was in no way negative. I just think maybe there should be awareness as to how selective we should be when selling/rehoming our pups.

yorkiepuppie 10-23-2008 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacklynn (Post 2295179)
What comment should I rethink? The fact that I think that it is important that we raise awareness as to who puppies get sold to and not place SOLE anger towards the lady. I never said she shouldn't be punished. All I was stating was that I think we need to place some responsiblity on the breeder or puppy store that sold her the pup even though she has a mental illness that would allow her to do such a thing.

My comment was in no way negative. I just think maybe there should be awareness as to how selective we should be when selling/rehoming our pups.

ok, i am sorry you felt attacked by my remarks, i am sure you are a loving person. (i mean, you do love yorkies afterall) i received a PM which is saying to me something pretty similar to what you are saying, so i am just going to copy and paste my response.

"i agree with you 100% that everyone has the right to write their opinions. and if that is what you believe, you should keep writing about it. but i think you are writing in the wrong thread, if you are trying to 'educate' people about metal illness, which is great and fine, it should be a separate posting with a link to it, so that people do not have to read it if they don't want to.

in my opinion, it's rather insensitive to write it in a thread where people are trying to deal with the shock, the anger, and the grief, for this little one.

i think what i am saying is fair because to be 100% honest, i would not even be this 'open-minded' about it if it were my dog. if it were my dog, i would tear you a new a**hole for saying what you said.

i applaud you for posting what you believe. i think that you should try to think about why people are so upset and saying the things they are saying.

you can talk to people about mental illness awareness, that would be great if you can educate the public on an issue that people don't know about. but you should respect peoples emotions, and give them room and time to grieve."


it's strange that you should suddenly be in pursuit of raising mental illness awareness? what have you done before this to raise awareness to mental illness? not to say that you can't start now, and you probably should since you feel strongly about it. you should do something to contribute to raise mental illness awareness. but there is the right place and time for everything. suddenly feeling the need to educate people about metal illness right now seems insensitive to me.

bsimmons 10-23-2008 09:32 AM

Stop And Think
 
OK, no excuse, there is no excuse for harming any animal at all, don't get me wrong I'm so.. upset about this poor baby but... stop and think about what you are saying about people with mental illness of any type. Lock them all up, shouldn't be allow to have pets??? Are you so perfect you can cast stones. I'm as hurt by the pervious posts as reading about the situation that brought this all about. No, I don't have a mental illness, but i do have compassion and experience working in a world that is comprised of all types of people.

chachi 10-23-2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bsimmons (Post 2295225)
OK, no excuse, there is no excuse for harming any animal at all, don't get me wrong I'm so.. upset about this poor baby but... stop and think about what you are saying about people with mental illness of any type. Lock them all up, shouldn't be allow to have pets??? Are you so perfect you can cast stones. I'm as hurt by the pervious posts as reading about the situation that brought this all about. No, I don't have a mental illness, but i do have compassion and experience working in a world that is comprised of all types of people.

I am sorry but I think anyone who is mentally ill enough to do something like this should be locked up in a mental hospital for life. I am a compassionate person but what if this would have been a child? Anyone who could do this is a danger to society

IndianaGirl 10-23-2008 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2295248)
I am sorry but I think anyone who is mentally ill enough to do something like this should be locked up in a mental hospital for life. I am a compassionate person but what if this would have been a child? Anyone who could do this is a danger to society

Im compassionate too, but your right, if your sick your sick and need to be put somewhere where you can't hurt anything, anybody or yourself.

Baby Blessing 10-23-2008 10:17 AM

I have copied and pasted the following from my previous posting here on this thread.

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I would like to make a comment regarding mental illness and the care that is not available for them, or shall I say the lack of it being made available to those that can't afford it. My opinion is this, if our country geared itself to helping people with mental disorders and other serious conditions instead of the medical field being so dag gone greedy maybe many things wouldn't be happening that are. The medical cost care for anyone seeking any kind of treament is totally outragous. I pray that anyone needing the help of medical care for mental disorders will not be turned away in getting treatment, sad to say so many are every day, most likely many as I am typing this. This woman is one that needs help, and I pray that she gets the proper treatment and help, there are those who's condition is so severe and need to be in a controlled facility.
I purposely came on YT this morning to see how BoBo is doing and was sad to read that he has passed but know that he is now in with God in Heaven and our loved ones have now received another one of God's many Blessings to enjoy along with our Cassie and other furbabies.

I personally feel that our society has a responsability to seeing that those in need with mental illness should be PROPERLY CARED AND SEEN TO IN TREATMENT AND WHATEVER THEIR NEEDS ARE this is not being done in our country. The first step anyone can do is let your legislatures know of this great need and start speaking up to the ones that can do something to change this dreadful situation in another direction.........GETTING PROPER HELP FOR THOSE IN NEED THAT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS.

My heart feels so much gratefullness to those that helped care for BoBo in trying to save him, but sometimes things are out of our hands and it was God's will to take him to his forever home.

Harsh feelings sometimes aren't beneficial and can only harbor ugliness, I was so sorry to read some of the things posted here and hope that many posted was not true feelings but only at the moment that of emotional statements out of love for BoBo. I really feel that to be the case.

Patti and Jack

Ashley V 10-23-2008 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2295131)
you don't offend me! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
i hope the annoying hypocritical people on the thread saying stuff about "oh, don't blame this woman, blame others. blah blah blah" can have the pleasure of being hog-tied and burnt to near death, and then on their death bed, i would like to hear them repeat themselves about how we should not blame the crazy, blah blah blah...

Excuse me, but I take offense to that too. I suffer from mental illness and I am CERTAINLY not crazy.

People do NOT understand what a mental illness does to a person and I am SICK AND TIRED of hearing people call that woman evil and everything else. SHE is not evil, her disease is.

Bobo probably had a great life up until then. The woman stopped her meds and for what reason, we don't know. It could have been that she couldn't afford them. She probably was having delusions, severe paranoia, was having hallucinations, or was in pyschosis.

No one should be judged unless you stand in their shoes and I have been in those shoes and this is why I'm talking like this. Unfortunately, the dog did have to suffer and it is a shame. I wish Bobo wouldn't have had such a traumatic experience and I really feel bad for him, but this was an uncontrolled situation. Her brain told her to do something awful and she did it. It's uncontrollable and it's a shame it had to happen. Say what you want to me. I don't really care.

So yorkiepuppie... since I suffer from a mental illness, should I be hog tied and burned to death?

How about everyone else that says that a mentally ill person should never be given a pet... what about Chip and Smokey...? Should I not have the privilege of owning them, because I have an illness?

If this woman was not mentally ill, I would be singing a different tune, but this woman was SICK.

Tatiana11 10-23-2008 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2295337)
Unfortunately, the dog did have to suffer and it is a shame. I wish Bobo wouldn't have had such a traumatic experience and I really feel bad for him, but this was an uncontrolled situation.

Unfortunately, I do not agree with you. "the dog" you refer to was a soul. A living soul, who could feel pain, suffering, love, devotion. He shouldn't have had to suffer because he was a adopted by a person who chose to stop taking their meds. SHE made the decision to stop her meds. SHE put him on the stove. And ultimately SHE KILLED HIM.

yorkiepuppie 10-23-2008 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2295337)
Excuse me, but I take offense to that too. I suffer from mental illness and I am CERTAINLY not crazy.

People do NOT understand what a mental illness does to a person and I am SICK AND TIRED of hearing people call that woman evil and everything else. SHE is not evil, her disease is.

Bobo probably had a great life up until then. The woman stopped her meds and for what reason, we don't know. It could have been that she couldn't afford them. She probably was having delusions, severe paranoia, was having hallucinations, or was in pyschosis.

No one should be judged unless you stand in their shoes and I have been in those shoes and this is why I'm talking like this. Unfortunately, the dog did have to suffer and it is a shame. I wish Bobo wouldn't have had such a traumatic experience and I really feel bad for him, but this was an uncontrolled situation. Her brain told her to do something awful and she did it. It's uncontrollable and it's a shame it had to happen. Say what you want to me. I don't really care.

So yorkiepuppie... since I suffer from a mental illness, should I be hog tied and burned to death?

How about everyone else that says that a mentally ill person should never be given a pet... what about Chip and Smokey...? Should I not have the privilege of owning them, because I have an illness?

yes, i would be offended too if i suffer from mental illness and people were attacking mental illness people. and no, i do not think you should suffer something so horrible!(you know i don't think that...i hope)
i just want to say that from other people's point of view, i think it's normal human reaction to say all the things that they are saying. but that's just how people deal with sadness and anger. and you know that as well as i do. (i think, i am of course making an assumption here) just as i think its very normal for you to be offended.
i just really think that people need to be able to vent, and name calling is obviously one way for many to deal with this sad/stressful event.
like right now, i can sit here and type this to you calmly, but it i go look at bobo's pictures again (there is a slide show of it, not sure if you've seen it) i know i would be too angry with this woman again.

we are emotional beings, and please know that those comments are not directed at you at all(you know this i think, but subconsciously it's hard not to get offended i know), it's how people deal with their emotions. i know it would be hard to not be offended, but put yourself in their(our) shoes. if you didn't have mental illness, don't you think you might just be in with the majority as well calling names at this woman to deal with your sadness/frustration/anger/helplessness/grief? i mean, is that not a possibility?

Tatiana11 10-23-2008 10:40 AM

And it was a controlled situation, she was on her meds and she was fine. Meaning she had access to medications that helped control her disease.

Ashley V 10-23-2008 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2295248)
I am sorry but I think anyone who is mentally ill enough to do something like this should be locked up in a mental hospital for life. I am a compassionate person but what if this would have been a child? Anyone who could do this is a danger to society

So I should be locked away for life, because I'm a danger to society, because I have a mental illness...?

That is so not right...

Tatiana11 10-23-2008 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2295357)
yes, i would be offended too if i suffer from mental illness and people were attacking mental illness people. and no, i do not think you should suffer something so horrible!(you know i don't think that...i hope)
i just want to say that from other people's point of view, i think it's normal human reaction to say all the things that they are saying. but that's just how people deal with sadness and anger. and you know that as well as i do. (i think, i am of course making an assumption here) just as i think its very normal for you to be offended.
i just really think that people need to be able to vent, and name calling is obviously one way for many to deal with this sad/stressful event.
like right now, i can sit here and type this to you calmly, but it i go look at bobo's pictures again (there is a slide show of it, not sure if you've seen it) i know i would be too angry with this woman again.

we are emotional beings, and please know that those comments are not directed at you at all(you know this i think, but subconsciously it's hard not to get offended i know), it's how people deal with their emotions. i know it would be hard to not be offended, but put yourself in their(our) shoes. if you didn't have mental illness, don't you think you might just be in with the majority as well calling names at this woman to deal with your sadness/frustration/anger/helplessness/grief? i mean, is that not a possibility?


I agree. Ashley, I am sorry if you thought we were saying that all mentally ill people should be hog tied and burned, but I do think that an eye for an eye applies in this case. I work in the health care industry and know many mentally ill people, who live normal healthy lives without being a threat to themselves or society by taking the medications they need.
I do apologize that you felt offended, these comments were not directed at anyone but that women herself.

chachi 10-23-2008 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2295359)
So I should be locked away for life, because I'm a danger to society, because I have a mental illness...?

That is so not right...

I didnt say anyone that had mental illness but someone as severe as her yes. I also have mental illness by the way.

Tatiana11 10-23-2008 10:46 AM

Also she was in a good state of mind when she stopped her meds. She stopped them because she was gaining weight from them. Im sorry but she was fully aware of what she was doing when she stopped her meds.
I would gain all the weight in the world before I let myself be a danger to anyone, including Armani and myself.

yorkiepuppie 10-23-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2295359)
So I should be locked away for life, because I'm a danger to society, because I have a mental illness...?

That is so not right...

hello ashley,

that's not what people are suggesting, please take a moment and put yourself in the position of people not suffering from mental illnesses. when we read these comments, we don't feel offended or attacked or take it personally. (i know you do, but is not people's intention) they are not at all talking about you.
not at all!

chachi 10-23-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tatiana11 (Post 2295370)
Also she was in a good state of mind when she stopped her meds. She stopped them because she was gaining weight from them. Im sorry but she was fully aware of what she was doing when she stopped her meds.
I would gain all the weight in the world before I let myself be a danger to anyone, including Armani and myself.


thats a big reason why alot of people quit taking them.
a family member should have gotten involved

Tatiana11 10-23-2008 10:51 AM

Thank you :)
 
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2295377)
thats a big reason why alot of people quit taking them.
a family member should have gotten involved

Thanks for clarifying, I am not fully aware of the side affects of these types of medications.

I do feel sad that this thread has been turned into something its not :(
This is about Bobo, and not anyone else.

Im sure we can all agree that there is a lot of anger involved in the way Bobo had to go :(

Maxi 10-23-2008 10:51 AM

OMG! I came here today for update on Bobo and I just cant believe what I just read! :cry::cry::cry: My heart is broken, R.I.P. little Bobo! :( I hope his owner will get what she deserves! :mad:

Ashley V 10-23-2008 10:57 AM

I feel bad for Bobo.

Wylie's Mom 10-23-2008 11:32 AM

Heartbroken. :(

yorkiepuppie 10-23-2008 11:36 AM

:mad: :mad: :cry8: :cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2::cry2:

yorkiepuppie 10-23-2008 02:05 PM

someone had mentioned here that this woman is mentally ill and stopped taking her medication because she was "gaining weight".

i don't know what to say.....

i would happily be the fattest person in the world then to do something so cruel to a loving dog.

the only being that loved this woman unconditionally was bobo. he loved her no matter how crazy, how insane, or how fat she is. it wouldn't have mattered to this little dog. this dog would have loved her just the way she was.

she hogtied and burnt her most loving friend in this world.


i am so sad, bobo did not deserve this.

i don't know how to feel about this, this is so sad. bobo died because this this woman didn't like the "weight-gain"...he died because of someone's vanity.

Tatiana11 10-23-2008 02:09 PM

I agree. I do not think I will post anymore. This is becoming an obsession to me. I close my eyes and see Bobo. I need a break. I have a fur baby at home who needs me. And if I could have I would have protected Bobo with everything I had too.

Jacklynn 10-23-2008 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2295209)
it's strange that you should suddenly be in pursuit of raising mental illness awareness? what have you done before this to raise awareness to mental illness? not to say that you can't start now, and you probably should since you feel strongly about it. you should do something to contribute to raise mental illness awareness. but there is the right place and time for everything. suddenly feeling the need to educate people about metal illness right now seems insensitive to me.

What makes you think I am "Suddenly" in pursuit of raising mental illness awareness? Just because you haven't seen me feel the need to raise the issue here on this board before? I'm not going to just push my feeling about it on others without the topic being brought up.

This is the right place and right time. It WOULDN'T have been the right place and right time if I would have been creating random threads on this board about my efforts.

You shouldn't assume things about people in what they do or do not do in their spare time/what issues they are raising awareness for.

Jacklynn 10-23-2008 02:46 PM

I'm sorry this thread has for whatever reason turned into something it wasn't intended for.

It is terrible that this poor pup had to suffer and eventually died. It shouldn't have happened. It is a terrible event.

yorkiepuppie 10-23-2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacklynn (Post 2295777)
What makes you think I am "Suddenly" in pursuit of raising mental illness awareness? Just because you haven't seen me feel the need to raise the issue here on this board before? I'm not going to just push my feeling about it on others without the topic being brought up.

This is the right place and right time. It WOULDN'T have been the right place and right time if I would have been creating random threads on this board about my efforts.

You shouldn't assume things about people in what they do or do not do in their spare time/what issues they are raising awareness for.

well, i DID ask you the question, "what have you done to help raise awareness?" in my post. you did not answer, and you don't have to. i am not attacking you.

so you know, this section IS called off topic discussion, you CAN discuss mental illness in this section, and it would not be considered a random thread.

yorkiepuppie 10-23-2008 03:06 PM

and please do, if you would be so kind. do start a thread on the issues relating to mental illness and the well being of their pets or something of that sort.

Jacklynn 10-23-2008 03:51 PM

I don't think starting a post like that right now would be a good idea seeing how much anger this issue has already brought up. Also I wouldn't feel qualified doing such a thing since I haven't studied very much with mental illnesses and there pets.

Also I didn't list out anything that I have done to raise awareness because I felt kind of attacked like I was being asked to prove myself. But this thread has made me think that maybe more should be done, so maybe I should re-evaluate the issue a little myself. I wasn't trying to say I was some doctor in Mental Illness studies or anything and don't claim to be, I simply have a heart for the issue.

I appreciate that you have ended this in a civil way in light of the way it got overly heated earlier.

I am done with the discussion now though as I told my thoughts on how she shouldn't get the entire blame and that was all I was trying to say, I certainly didn't want to start a huge debate. May Bobo rest in peace.

Rudys Mom 10-23-2008 04:09 PM

I'm just seeing this now. OMG, I just watched the video and read the last few posts and found out thru reading them that poor Bobo passed away. :cry: I don't have any comment other than to say, Rest In Peace, dear Bobo. :rose::angelyork:rose:

PANAMA69 10-23-2008 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2295397)
I feel bad for Bobo.

I know you do Ash:big_hug:


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