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Fran42478 07-13-2005 09:31 AM

We actually (thank goodness for the internet/and talking to other pit owners) know this breed...Yes the American Pitbull terrier has historically been bred to excel in combat with other dogs...But we still would not want anyone to ever wish death on our dog...Who is more gentle than Sammi or Kasey put together...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions regarding this breed...But just as a pitbull can kill so can any other breed...Sammi has snapped at people in the street and she is what I consider an ankle biter...Doesnt mean she cannot kill if she has to (wheter it be a a small child or another dog...)

From a website:

At one time Pitbull was used as a national symbol of courage and pride, and IMO I feel the breed is largely misunderstood today...Their history dates back to the late 18th early 19th century...Like any other breed of dog, the key areas of focus for ensuring a happy, well adjusted American Pit Bull Terrier as a pet are: owner education, proper breeding, socialization, and training...

I will not say anymore about Storm and how wonderful my family thinks he is...I just get upset to think people would say THE WHOLE BREED needs to be killed or taken down...Because ANY BREED can be taught to kill/fight...and this is why I had to post....I dont want to start an argument/heated discussion with anyone! Because u all are awesome people :)

Lots of Love
Fran

txshopper73 07-13-2005 09:36 AM

I guess that we will just agree to disagree. :) You have your views as do I. I am glad that your pit mix is a part of your family.

ssguzzy828 07-13-2005 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fran42478
We actually (thank goodness for the internet/and talking to other pit owners) know this breed...Yes the American Pitbull terrier has historically been bred to excel in combat with other dogs...But we still would not want anyone to ever wish death on our dog...Who is more gentle than Sammi or Kasey put together...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions regarding this breed...But just as a pitbull can kill so can any other breed...Sammi has snapped at people in the street and she is what I consider an ankle biter...Doesnt mean she cannot kill if she has to (wheter it be a a small child or another dog...)

From a website:

At one time Pitbull was used as a national symbol of courage and pride, and IMO I feel the breed is largely misunderstood today...Their history dates back to the late 18th early 19th century...Like any other breed of dog, the key areas of focus for ensuring a happy, well adjusted American Pit Bull Terrier as a pet are: owner education, proper breeding, socialization, and training...

I will not say anymore about Storm and how wonderful my family thinks he is...I just get upset to think people would say THE WHOLE BREED needs to be killed or taken down...Because ANY BREED can be taught to kill/fight...and this is why I had to post....I dont want to start an argument/heated discussion with anyone! Because u all are awesome people :)

Lots of Love
Fran


I understand where you are coming from fran. Ive seen small breed dogs charge children as well as big breed dogs. It does mostly stem from irresponsible owners and i believe sometimes it also stems from the breeders. As any good breeder knows puppies need to be socialized from the beginning. Also many pit and rot breeders do a lot of inbreeding which im sure plays a role in mental behavior as well. You dont have defend your stance on how you feel some people dont like certian breeds and that is thier perogative/preference. This is a very touchy subject especially for those who have had bad expieriences with certian breeds, and i respect that. Im sure it can be very traumatic. I plan on getting a rottie if we ever buy a house with more land and more room. My husband used to raise them when he was younger and they were so good and loving. I feel bad for the poor lil yorkie who suffered and hope they find the irresponsible owners.

ReconsMomma 07-13-2005 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73
Why would anyone take this kind of chance? Eventually, once my children move out of the house, I would like to get a Doberman. I think that they are a beautiful breed of dog. However, I WILL NOT do it while I have kids in my own house or while I have any other animals in the house. I do not want to take the chance of them getting bit or even worse. We have tons of ads in our paper of people selling pits and it sickens me. I'm just waiting to read the news of someone in our town getting mauled or killed by one of these animals. But in honesty, I think that they are being used for dog fights and then dumped.

Just on YT, do a search on Pit Bulls and see what you find.

Also, the neighbor had another Rott...female many years ago. Same situation. Raised in the home with the kids. When their youngest girl was 6 or 7, she was outside eating an ice cream cone. This loving dog that they had attacked her. Grabbed her by the head and was slinging her around like a rag doll. They are damn lucky that this loving...raised with the kids Rott did not kill their daughter.


I am sorry, I was going to just pass this thread up but after reading this I had to ad my comment. My friend has had dobermans all his life and they arent an innocent breed either. They are prone to being psychitso. They will bit the hand that feeds them. He has had his 2 for 6 years now and I still will not trust them around my children. However, my kids have been raised with rotties and I will defend that breed until the day that I die.
I have worked as an animal control officer, I have seen the ins and outs of all the different breeds, It isn't the breed of dog. It is how it is bred and how it is raised, If a dog is bred from 2 aggresive parents it is going to be mean. Plain and simple.

chachi 07-13-2005 09:55 AM

I hate reading these type of stories. Its so soad. I really feel sorry for the yorkie owner.

Sydney'sMom 07-13-2005 09:59 AM

I believe that whatever bloodlines mixed to make pittbull cause them to have unpredictable and agressive temperments. Some people may have a pittbull for life and never have it snap out...but they always run the risk that it might. I know that a few years ago in my town a woman was killed in the hallway of her apartment building. Her neighbor had 2 pittbulls and they heard her in the hall when she came home from work. For some reason they knocked down the door to the apartment and tore the poor inocent woman to pieces. She had met these dogs a million times before and they were friendly on all previous occasions.

So I personally will never trust one near my Sydney...or in the future, my children. Just my personal opinion.

PinkMartini 07-13-2005 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Fran42478
I have to disagree that this type of dog is breed to be this way...I live with a Pit Bull mix and we have had him in the house since 9 weeks old...He is the most gentle, kind, smart dogs we have ever had...Sammi ADORES him and he allows her to do WHATEVER she pleases to him...Including walking on his twig and berries when they play...

I feel that what happened to that poor Yorkie is awful and justice needs to be done...But to say death to all of that breed I cannot agree with...Esp. that I (my sister's dog really) live with one and interact with him everyday...

We love Storm just as much as we love our Yorkie and Maltese...And it infuriates me that people seem to think it’s the breed...When IMO it’s the person who is bringing up/training this breed...

As you can see from the pics of Sammi and Storm, he lets her literally walk all over him...The first pic she fell asleep on him...

I also have some video of them...

http://jusspress.com/day.php?userid=...tDate=20050527

I am sorry if I am coming off in a mean/abrasive way (I hope I am not!) I try to stay out of the controversial posts, but this one I can’t...I wouldnt want someone to tell me we had to put Storm down, just because he is a pit bull mix...

Lots of hugs!
Fran

You couldn't be more right. It's ignorant people who have never owned a pit bull that says there's something wrong with them (I.E. Vicious dogs, "OMG It's going to kill me," ect). It's the way the dog is raised, plain and simple, as to whether or not they will become vicious. It's not their 'breeding' or 'genetics.' And anyone who has ever owned a dog should realize that. My neighbors own a miniature poodle and that thing is vicious. He tries to attack Bailey on an almost daily basis. The dog was raised with a rough hand and not shown any love. I've personally called the humane society on them when I saw them throw the poor dog against the wall. Of course he hates people/animals, I would too if I were raised that way. We (my fiance & I) owned a apbt for 6 years (him 4 years before he met me and me the last 2 years of his life) and I honestly can't say I've met a BETTER dog. APBT's are known for their loyalty and loving nature and that's EXACTLY what people use against them. It's a shame. Here's Jake, does this look like a killer to you?

JCarlson2004 07-13-2005 10:15 AM

The funny thing is before I ever owned dogs ON MY OWN (meaning not living at home w/ my parents) I always thought little dogs were nasty and mean. My parents had a beautiful german shepherd and he was the most loving and gentle dog I ever knew. He was part of the family and we all still mourn his death. But I remember always disliking little dogs because they always bark and nip at people. Of course my opinion has drastically changed before and since owning a Maltese and a Yorkie. But I go back to my original belief that it's the way the animal is raised and socialized.

PinkMartini 07-13-2005 10:16 AM

There are several reasons this breed has a bad reputation and they are all the fault of humans, not the breed. The number one reason the breed has a bad rap is they are a popular choice for thugs and people who think they need a killer dog who go out and aquire a Pit Bull. Although not naturally aggressive toward people, through many methods including horrific abuse, people can make them into people biters. Whenever a Pit Bull does something bad, the media jumps all over it and airs a story about it. Whenever a Pit Bull does something heroic the media just ignores it so all the public hears about are mean Pit Bulls and not the nice ones.

Another reason that contributes to the bad repuation is some people who are not prepared or educated enough for dog ownership acquire a Pit Bull and as its growing up never give it the leadership that all dogs need and crave. You see, the dog views it and the members of it's household as it's 'pack.' It is critical to a dog's sense of well being that it knows where it fits in in the social hirearchy and that there is a strong leader of it's 'pack.' Some people let their dogs grow up letting them do whatever they want and the dog learns that the humans are not strong leaders so it tries to fill the leadership position itself. When this happens the dog acts aggressivly to all 'pack members' it feels are under it when it feels they are out of line to keep order just like pack leader wolves and dogs do in the wild. People think the dog is just being a vicious Pit Bull but in reality it thinks it is ensuring the survival of it's 'pack' by giving it strong leadership.

Lastly there are some very trashy dog breeders that breed these dogs soley so they can sell the puppies for money that give no through or care to the quality of dogs they breed and often very substandard dogs find their way into their breeding program and substandard puppies with substandard temperaments and often ill health are produced. Good dog breeders bend over backwards making sure the dogs they breed have good health and temperament.

JCarlson2004 07-13-2005 10:16 AM

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Here's Jake, does this look like a killer to you?

On my goodness - he SO cute! He has such a cute face and I LOVE his coloring! He looks like he loves the attention.

PinkMartini 07-13-2005 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004
On my goodness - he SO cute! He has such a cute face and I LOVE his coloring! He looks like he loves the attention.

Thanks! He was such a sweetheart. He passed away in Feb of last year due to cancer.

Sydney'sMom 07-13-2005 10:18 AM

A lot of a breed's personality characteristics are born in. For example yorkies are a high energy/high strung breed, they need lots of human interaction and should not be left alone for long periods of time, they are typically harder to train than other breeds. These are all characteristics of the yorkie breed. These things were not learned from their owners.

HOWEVER these characteristics do not apply to every single yorkie. Some of your yorkies were very easy to train. Some of your yorkies are not high energy at all. This does not mean that the breed characteristics are wrong. But there are variations to every rule.

Those of us who have owned pittbulls who are/where perfectly friendly and sweet for their whole lives are lucky to have a sweet pet like that. But it isn't a bad idea to be on guard around strange dogs especially ones who have agressiveness as a common breed characteristic. Just as a percaution...not to bash pittbulls.

JCarlson2004 07-13-2005 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PinkMartini
Thanks! He was such a sweetheart. He passed away in Feb of last year due to cancer.

I'm so sorry. But it looks like he had a wonderful life! He looks so content and happy in those 2 pics.

PinkMartini 07-13-2005 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydney'sMom
Those of us who have owned pittbulls who are/where perfectly friendly and sweet for their whole lives are lucky to have a sweet pet like that. But it isn't a bad idea to be on guard around strange dogs especially ones who have agressiveness as a common breed characteristic. Just as a percaution...not to bash pittbulls.

Those of use who have owned apbt's who have been sweet & friendly aren't "lucky," we got a dog with the temperment they naturally have. IMO someone should be cautious around ANY strange dogs that they don't know. Especially with your own dog(s) near by.

Fran42478 07-13-2005 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PinkMartini
Whenever a Pit Bull does something bad, the media jumps all over it and airs a story about it. Whenever a Pit Bull does something heroic the media just ignores it so all the public hears about are mean Pit Bulls and not the nice ones.


EXACTLY!!!


I am sorry to hear about Jake's passing :(


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