See Nikki's answer below...her answer covers mine. I don't agree, thankfully, with any organization 100% - but I still support many who do good work.

Btw, Crystal, I'm just curious if there are any animal groups who you think "get it right" bc I'd be curious which ones you do like.

No, I don't expect to agree with 100% of everything that a group says but I do expect them to be reasonable. For example, not saying that ALL animal should be spayed or neutered. That's silly. It wouldn't be such a big deal that they take these stands but the legislation in the US is starting to shift that way and it is wrong.

What ridiculous things have they done?
This is a combination for PETA and the Humane Society.

Advocating spay/neuter for all animals/supporting AB1634 in California (what is this, communism?). It is my choice whether my dog gets altered, not anyone else's (although I would consider penalties for breeding if you don't know what you're doing).
Saying we shouldn't buy from breeders...what if I like purebred Yorkies? Is that so bad?
The Humane Society's leader is very well off (income). I'm not saying he should be poor but then they think we all should donate. Why doesn't he give the first $25,000? Then they spend all that money on colored photos telling us we should donate while they could of just sent one piece of paper and spent the rest on helping animals.:rolleyes:
The Humane Society (and probably PETA too) are pretty open about saying if you want to be responsible you will spay/neuter. Ellie wasn't spayed until she was six and that was on the advice of her vet. So I"m not responsible? And no, she was never pregnant.
And do they think we should all become vegetarians? I have not the least bit of problem with vegetarians but to say that everyone should be is not right (but I do support laws that would eliminate farm animal abuse).

LOL. I haven't really thought about it. I DO support the Rabies Challenge Fund. They are doing something GOOD with their money and not trying to pressure owners into anything.

As far as those organizations that are actually saving animals, I like the idea but none really stand out to me. I do like the subsidized vet hospitals (I think that's what it is) that you see on Emergency Vets (where the refer people who can't afford it).

I don't know if ASPCA and Humane Society are the same. The ASPCA doesn't bother me too much yet.... except for their insistance on spay/neuter (from what I see on Animal Precinct).

I also don't mine specific breed rescues if it is done right. That is, if it is done well.

I think my issue with Peta is that they aren't for animal rescue, they are for animal rights.

And animal rights the way I understand it is that they believe no animals should be kept as companions and they'd be better off dead than "domesticated".

I feel that animals enrich our lives so very much and truly believe that a good animal owner can equally enrich that pets life.

Also, from the movie "your mommy kills animals" there's a lot of info on Peta. Two people that worked there actually went to an adoption facility, claimed to be adopting out the animals and killed them, put them in garbage bags in a dumpster and said they "saved" them.

It's too outrageous and cruel for me, personally and I used to really think Peta was great-- before I knew what it was all about.

If "animal rights" was never started - there probably would be an even more paltry amount of animal rescue. One begets the other. :rolleyes:

If you read my previous post (page 2 I think) - it quotes PETA's website on pets - and it absolutely does NOT say what you say above. Maybe read their website before you judge too harshly. :)

a 97% kill rate is alarming any way you look at it. 12 adoptions in 2006? They get milions donated to them. Cant some of these dogs that are unhealthy be treated instead of put down?

9,600,000 pets are euthanized every year....and mostly by Humane Assn's. Humane assn's get tier 1, 2, and 3 animals (3 being those who are euthanized immediately) - hence, their 64% rate of euthanasia. PETA gets almost exclusively tier 3 animals - hence, their higher euthanasia rate. It's really that simple. (tier 3 animals, btw, are those who are critically injured, critically ill, and/or violent toward humans and not able to rehabilitate)

This is my personal opinion from research that I've done and I stand by it.

There is absolutely no reason on this earth to do what was done with the dogs being killed and left in a dumpster.

I also highly dislike their very in your face marketing strategy and over the top ways they get their point across.

I was an absolute supporter of Peta even up until a year ago when I stopped just reading what *they* were saying and looked at what they were *doing*.

I don't think everything is horrible about Peta. Some things are helpful. I don't see life in black and white where things are 100% great or 100% terrible.

I just received their vegetarian starter kit that was well written and a great aid. But I just dislike them, more than I like them and their tactics.

I think there are other animal welfare groups with less recognition but a far more helpful message.

Here is my question about this (and it really has nothing to do with PETA). Why don't all these people who take their old and sick animals to a shelter to be euthanized not just take them to their own vet and get it done?:confused:

I think because it's free.....sad huh.

I remember an article I read awhile ago about how PETA has killed pets, animals that were healthy, no aggression issues, etc. I haven't done enough research on them to know what's true and whats false. But IF this is the case, then I obviously wouldn't support them.

I agree on the above....but missing on that list buying pets from breeders. That fact is found in the link I posted. Peta thinks EVERY animal should be sterilized...all of them. The reasoning given...even if a breeder finds homes for all their litter they can not control what happens to those animals who are allowed to breed afterward nor what happens to subsequent litters. They want you to adopt an animal in a shelter....

Personally I think Peta has made us all more vasily aware of animal abuses. I applaud that. I do not always agree with their methods or their stance on everything. Peta has a very good PR machine....

My view is colored because they are here in my backyard. There is alot of stuff they do...that never makes the national media.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c15_1200416787

This is the story I was reffering to that changed a lot of my opinions about Peta.

Now maybe this was just these two individuals that did this, but I just have not been able to support Peta since I learned of it.

Oh yes, I'm very familiar with that story - and I nearly stopped all my support of PETA until I learned more about it. I certainly and absolutely understand why this story hit you to your core, believe me. PETA responded ad nauseum to this incident (are you going to make me go dig it up:rolleyes: ) - and it helped me understand what happened. I respect your opinion, Yorkiegirl, as always. I mean no offense whatsoever. :D

Yes, exactly. Could not agree more. I don't support everything they do (as I've posted) - but I do support the good that they do in terms of bringing issues to the public.

It's ok! I completely am open to learning more! Like I said, I definitely at one time supported Peta until I read other things about it that made sense to me and had me question it.

If you want to I'm more than happy to read the information you're talking about. :)

I never pretend to know it all, I'm always learning something new :p

I agree on the above....but missing on that list buying pets from breeders. That fact is found in the link I posted. Peta thinks EVERY animal should be sterilized...all of them. The reasoning given...even if a breeder finds homes for all their litter they can not control what happens to those animals who are allowed to breed afterward nor what happens to subsequent litters. They want you to adopt an animal in a shelter....

Personally I think Peta has made us all more vastly aware of animal abuses. I applaud that. I do not agree with their methods or their stance on everything.

My view is colored because Peta is here in my backyard. Alot of peta news never makes the national media...and when it does...Peta has a very good PR department.

Many people here were appauled when peta employees were arrested for euthanizing adoptable animals they picked up from shelters here. The shelters were told the animals were being transferred so they could be adopted. But they killed them instead. Peta headquarters said...oh, we didn't tell them to do that. Ok...well the pick up arrangement had been in place (wasn't a one time thing)...the employees were in a peta van...and used peta supplied medicines for the euthanzia. And peta didn't know anything about it? Ok, sure.

Another instance...peta employee picks up a hunting dog who wore a tracking collar plus had the owner's name and number on a tag. She removed the collar from the animal and tossed it by the roadside. Another driver saw her pick up the dog...called the owner...who called the police...stopped the van and went back and found the collar. She insisted she wanted to return the dog to his owner...that's why she picked him up. Ok, well you had all the information...but you tossed it.

Those made the news....

I took my daughter to the circus when she was around 4/5 years old...a pamplet is given to her by a Peta protestor...it's peta materials being handed out...and the pictures in that pamphlet were gruesome. Do I feel bad for abused elephants? Sure....but I was really po'd at Peta for handing that to my child. Fortunately they are no longer allowed to hand you anything...they get to stand there...but can't approach anyone.

The bloody happy meals? Remember those? Handed out here to children.

Shooting at fishermen in the Chesapeake Bay...although they said they weren't shooting AT the men...they were trying to scare the fish away. Too bad Peta just happened to be aiming in the same direction.

Well crud....consider that post above...an addition to what I was saying before...:rolleyes:

I took my daughter to the circus when she was around 4/5 years old...a pamplet is given to her by a Peta protestor...it's peta materials being handed out...and the pictures in that pamphlet were gruesome. Do I feel bad for abused elephants? Sure....but I was really po'd at Peta for handing that to my child. Fortunately they are no longer allowed to hand you anything...they get to stand there...but can't approach anyone.

That happened to us one time when we took our daughter to a circus and they yelled foul things at us. We dont support circuses anymore but they shouldnt have been doing that in front of young children

Btw the animals euthanized by the peta employees....weren't all old sick animals. It included a couple of litters of kitten and puppies. The shelters even said...all of the animals taken would have been adopted had they stayed...they released them to Peta to reduce the number of animals at the shelter.

I think it would make more of an impact if PETA offered the reduced spay/neuters to EVERYONE...instead of just the elderly or poor. And campaign with shelters....to relax some of those rules implemented for adoptions now. Here...no fence yard...means no dog/puppy. Work full time...no puppy...un altered animal in your home...sorry you can't adopt. My friend went to adopt an adult cat...and couldn't because her dog wasn't neutered.

I use to get all my animals from shelters...but there are too many hoops to jump through anymore.

Exactly...

Peta PR says...we are educating children.

Yeah, while ticking off their parents.

Oh yay! YT is back up. I typed this post eatlier and when I went to submit YT was down. So anyway, here it is.:)


LOL, okay, trust me, I get it- y'all don't like PETA.:p That's okay, it is a great voice for animal but certainly not for everyone. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I really appreciate Wylie's Mom sharing her knowledge. I know I have come away from this thread feeling better informed and I'm sure we all agree that's a good thing.

As I said, I really didn't start this thread to debate PETA. I respect all of your feelings that it doesn't speak to you and that's fine because we are lucky to be living in a time when there are more animal advocacy groups than ever so everyone should be able to find something. I just started this thread to point out why PETAs numbers were so high and who the CCF admittedly is. If anyone has a specific issue or concern that they want me to address that hasn't already been addressed I'll be happy to do so. Now, at this point I have no problem agreeing to disagree.:)

Just a few statements about the real agenda of PITA that is not posted on their website. Its really all about us not owning, breeding, eating or using animals in any way. Of course to say this would not bring donations.
They do believe animals are "better off dead than bred".

Statements made by Ingrid Newkirk, the President of PETA:



“I don’t use the word 'pet.' I think it’s speciesist language. I prefer 'companion animal.' For one thing,

we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There

would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals

would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a

protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the

surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding)

declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to

a more symbiotic relationship – enjoyment at a distance.” — The Harper's Forum Book,



“One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs]

would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting

at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and

watch TV.”

— The Chicago Daily Herald, 3/1/90

“In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets

altogether.” — Newsday, 2/21/88