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Ace 09-11-2007 01:00 PM
AKC or ACA?
 
Hello -
I am new to this forum and have a quick question.... I have a 9 mo old male Yorkie - he is 11.5 pounds (the breeder guraanteed not over 7!) anyway - we love him dearly in spite of his size! He is a registered ACA dog - is it possible to breed him with AKC females? will the associations regognize the litters? This is all new to me - thank you for your answers!

mama Ace

Amber_lv 09-11-2007 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace (Post 1363759)
Hello -
I am new to this forum and have a quick question.... I have a 9 mo old male Yorkie - he is 11.5 pounds (the breeder guraanteed not over 7!) anyway - we love him dearly in spite of his size! He is a registered ACA dog - is it possible to breed him with AKC females? will the associations regognize the litters? This is all new to me - thank you for your answers!

mama Ace
To answer your question... No AKC will not recognize puppies that are born to a father that is ACA both male and female must be AKC registered to have them recognice their puppies. I hope this helps.

GurleyGirl 09-11-2007 02:15 PM
If he breeds with an AKC female, the pups can be registered with ACA.

Hope this helps. ;)

Yorkiekids 09-11-2007 02:17 PM
AKC needs to be bred with AKC to produce an AKC litter.

Sugar's Mom 09-11-2007 05:15 PM
No, he cannot be bred to an AKC female and should not be bred anyway due to his size but that is just more for you to love.:)

tammy8833 09-11-2007 05:28 PM
yeah unforunately there is no way to registered him with akc either. if his litter wasnt registered then he cant be registered. and his parents would have to have been registered with akc to have the little registered with akc......

just a heads up the standard is not to breed anything outside the standard 7lbs, some people can get real vocal on here about people even talking about breeding outside the standard...kinda think about it this way, you wanted 7lbs and under, you were guaranteed that (which they cant really guarantee that, even if they say so) well your little man is almost 12lbs, then you need a female to breed him to and technically the female is supposed to be bigger than the male, so then your maters (if thats a word..lol) would be throwing out really big puppies. which of course isnt always true but then you are playing with the genetics and dont know what you might have in size range, and so far comes the disappointed new owners who thought they would have a 7lb yorkie and ended up with a 15lbs yorkie...and they post here on yt = )

just a little to think on...:D

please upload some pics and welcome to yt

Miz Mary 09-11-2007 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1364282)
No, he cannot be bred to an AKC female and should not be bred anyway due to his size but that is just more for you to love.:)
why cant he be bred because of his SIZE ?!??!

tammy8833 09-11-2007 05:30 PM
its not that he cant be bred, its that he shouldnt be bred in the eyes of the yorkie standards:)

YorkieRose 09-11-2007 05:30 PM
size
 
He will probably top out so far over the standard, it would be unethcial to use him at stud.
If the breeder guaranteed no more then 7 pounds, why not ask for a partial refund? I am not saying he is not a wonderful pet, but fair is fair when it comes to the pocketbook.

MyFairLacy 09-11-2007 06:07 PM
Both male and female have to be AKC registered for the litter to become AKC registered. Please don't use your male for breeding - he'll have to breed to a larger female, producing yorkies that are way over the weight standard. No yorkie over 7lbs should be bred, as 7lbs and under is the AKC standard. There are a lot of yorkies over 7lbs that make wondeful pets but they cannot be shown and should not be bred. Please neuter your baby. He'll be healthier and happier for it

BamaFan121s 09-11-2007 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Miz Mary (Post 1364306)
why cant he be bred because of his SIZE ?!??!
Can't and shouldn't are two entirely different terms. ANY dog can be bred, but not all dogs should be bred. Does it mean they are lesser dogs? No, just means they do not fit into the textbook description of a Yorkie. Yorkies are supposed to look a certain way, be structured a certain way, etc...including having a max size. These specifics are what make various breeds different from one another. If you are trying to produce Yorkies, you should do just that...try to breed and have pups that fit the definition as closely as possible. Otherwise, you are just breeding dogs to get dogs.

All just my opinion of course, but this boy does not fit that textbook description of what a Yorkie 'should TECHNICALLY be.' Thus resulting in the advice that he should not be bred.:)

Anna Banana 09-11-2007 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1364388)
Can't and shouldn't are two entirely different terms. ANY dog can be bred, but not all dogs should be bred. Does it mean they are lesser dogs? No, just means they do not fit into the textbook description of a Yorkie. Yorkies are supposed to look a certain way, be structured a certain way, etc...including having a max size. These specifics are what make various breeds different from one another. If you are trying to produce Yorkies, you should do just that...try to breed and have pups that fit the definition as closely as possible. Otherwise, you are just breeding dogs to get dogs.

All just my opinion of course, but this boy does not fit that textbook description of what a Yorkie 'should TECHNICALLY be.' Thus resulting in the advice that he should not be bred.:)
:thumbup: Very well said.

Mama Ace, welcome to YT! :D We'd love to see pictures of your big boy, and hear all about him!

Ace 09-12-2007 05:38 AM
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Okay - not sure if I am doing this right - but think I have attached a picture of our "heavyweight" who still requires an X-Small harness.... he is just tall and a bit longer - really - he looks exactly like a silky - even has the green reflect on his eyes at night - anyway - makes me wonder if the breeder had an "oops" or - he is just a genetic revisit of what Yorkies originally were - it was the popularity of the smaller dog that drove the standard to be as small as it is - he would have been considered small in Yorkshire county 50+ years ago!

we have talked about breeding him with a silky or Maltese - not a registerable litter we know - but we do eventually want another dog - and then will neuter him - I am sure there are a lot of opinions out there on "mutt" litters as well - but they sure are cute! (my mother has a "Morkie" - stinkin' adorable...)

Mama Ace

tammy8833 09-12-2007 05:40 AM
aww he is a really good looking guy!!

Sugar's Mom 09-12-2007 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Miz Mary (Post 1364306)
why cant he be bred because of his SIZE ?!??!
It isn't that he CAN'T be bred. I meant that he should not be bred becausse he is WAY out of standard. As another poster mentioned, you would have to find an out of standdard female, then you are breeding outside the stand. the goal of breeding should be to produce beautiful, in standard puppies. At best, there are some that are outside of standard in spite of both parents being in standard and those things cannot be helpedd nor can a breeder guarantee size but to breed two dogs that you know are outside of standard would be wrong. AKC standard is up to seven pounds.


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