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Yorkieluv 08-27-2007 09:09 PM

I think the reason some people say to stay away from high protein foods is because most foods that they sell at places like Petsmart and Walmart don't have fully "digestible" protein...The quality of protein is very important. If it's high quality protein, then it's more digestible and is very good for the dog :) You just have to make sure that the dog doesn't have underlying medical issues like liver or kidney problems...High protein is very bad for dogs with liver disease, even if it is high quality.

yorkiekist 08-27-2007 10:27 PM

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I feed Iams Eukanuba or Chicken Soup Puppy and Blue Buffalo.. I stick to the a chicken and rice base only. The Yorkies dont like Lamb and rice. I do supplement with sweet potatoes, cabbage, brussel sprouts, green beans. carrots, etc. They LOVE fresh cooked goat meat. I raise meat and dairy goats. I usually have the bucklings butchered. It is great for people too!!!! Better than beef by a long shot. And I know exactly what my goats eat and they arent pumped full of hormones. The Yorkies like fruit too!!! So my garden also comes in handy too. So, they are kind of on a holistic diet. Lynn

lara2913 08-27-2007 11:19 PM

In my opionion the best 'dog food' available is orijen, high protein, no grains, just the way it should be. If I were to feed a kibble, this would be the one.

However I feed raw because after extensive research I believe that the best diet for a dog is one that is the closest to what they would eat in the wild. My dogs eat raw meaty bones (meat with edible bone..chicken wings, drumsticks, lamb chops, ribs, poultry necks etc), raw muscle meat (meat without bone..breast meat, heart, ground meat etc), organ meat (liver, kidney etc), live yogurt, raw eggs (including the shell) and a small amount of pureed fruit and veg (like it would be in their preys stomach).

My dogs are thriving on it, they are healthier than ever and i'm absolutly certain that they enjoy it far more than the same boring dog food day after day. The most important thing is to do lots and lots of research and make what you believe to be the right desision for your dog.

Here are a couple of great websites that I thought might interest some people,

www.rawdogranch.com

http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm

marcerella02 08-28-2007 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lara2913 (Post 1335577)
In my opionion the best 'dog food' available is orijen, high protein, no grains, just the way it should be. If I were to feed a kibble, this would be the one.

However I feed raw because after extensive research I believe that the best diet for a dog is one that is the closest to what they would eat in the wild. My dogs eat raw meaty bones (meat with edible bone..chicken wings, drumsticks, lamb chops, ribs, poultry necks etc), raw muscle meat (meat without bone..breast meat, heart, ground meat etc), organ meat (liver, kidney etc), live yogurt, raw eggs (including the shell) and a small amount of pureed fruit and veg (like it would be in their preys stomach).

My dogs are thriving on it, they are healthier than ever and i'm absolutly certain that they enjoy it far more than the same boring dog food day after day. The most important thing is to do lots and lots of research and make what you believe to be the right desision for your dog.

Here are a couple of great websites that I thought might interest some people,

www.rawdogranch.com

http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm

About the Orijen. Layla eats home cooked food but there are times we need kibble and it is always available to her during the day but her tummy is having a VERY hard time with the switch.. any ideas??? i keep trying to start... small amounts.. and the next day she is sick :(

ladyj 08-28-2007 04:00 AM

dog food
 
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1335172)
I think a raw diet is the very best way to go. Lacy eats Nature's Variety raw medallions. I alternate rabbit and venison every day. If you don't like the idea of feeding raw meat, homecooking is the next best thing - you do lose some of the nutrients from cooking the food but your dog will still be getting high quality food with none of the crap commercial food has. With either, be sure to research it well and know what you're doing.

If you're going to feed kibble or canned commercial dog food, pick a premium food such as Nature's Variety, Innova, Wellness, Canidae, Merrick, California Natural, and there are others as well.

Stay away from grocery store brands and Iams, Hills Science Diet, Purina, and Eukanuba. Vets push these brands because these large companies basically pay them to. I'm in vet school right now, and Hills and Purina donate a lot of money to the American Veterinary Medical Association (Especially Hills!). They do a lot of things to contribute to veterinary education but it does cause most vets to push these crappy foods. Being a vet student, I can get 80% off Science Diet and Purina foods if I wanted - see, this gets future vets to use their products (they also gave me a free backpack and free lunch during Orientation). Hills also teaches a lot of the nutrition classes in vet school and gives students a biased opinion that kibble is the way to go and Hills is the best. They also give vets a lot of free products and kickbacks to sell their food. This is why most vets recommend it. The reality is most vets don't know much about nutrition. It's obvious when you look at the ingredients of these foods -corn, byproducts, dyes, etc. I plan to include Holisitic medicine in my practice one day, mostly the nutrition aspect. I think our pets would be so much healthier if they weren't eating a lot of the crap that most commercial dog food has in it.

When I asked my vet about the best food for my dogs, she said they don't teach much about nutrition in vet school. I hope they are teaching more about nutrition in vet schools now. She said what I was feeding them (Wysong) was good and she didn't recommend Science Diet, although they do have it in her office. I know a lot of the best selling foods aren't worth much nutritionally and have a lot of fillers. I've done a lot of reading and comparing since one of my Bichons tends to get itchy and have hot spots. I found Wysong, which is a great food and he didn't have any itchies or hot spots while eating it. I had to order it on the web, so switched to Innova, and he got along OK on it. One of the local stores started carrying Wysong after I kept asking for it and now I can get it locally. I use Wysong Synorgan (24% protein) and my two Bichons like it and don't have any allergy problems. Some of its ingredients are chicken, chicken giblets, ground brown rice, flax seed, eggs, and plums. No corn!

lara2913 08-28-2007 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 1335647)
About the Orijen. Layla eats home cooked food but there are times we need kibble and it is always available to her during the day but her tummy is having a VERY hard time with the switch.. any ideas??? i keep trying to start... small amounts.. and the next day she is sick :(

Do you mean she is having a tough time changing to eating orijen from the other kibble she used to eat? Its a very good kibble but is rich so if she is switching from a kibble high in grains, that could be why. Have you been mixing it with the old kibble? That could help. To be honest it has to be tough on her body to have to digest kibble and home cooked, once in the stomach kibble swells up and can take up to 12 hours to make it through the system. However natural food such as raw or home cooked digests relatively quickly, within 5 hours so if she is having both in her system at once it may get confused and that could be causing digestive problems. Is there any way you could stop the kibble altogether? When I find it difficult to feed raw, such as when we travel I take stuff like tinned sardines, cottage cheese etc and I often simply slip into a store wherever I am and buy some things for them in there.

marcerella02 08-28-2007 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lara2913 (Post 1335723)
Do you mean she is having a tough time changing to eating orijen from the other kibble she used to eat? Its a very good kibble but is rich so if she is switching from a kibble high in grains, that could be why. Have you been mixing it with the old kibble? That could help. To be honest it has to be tough on her body to have to digest kibble and home cooked, once in the stomach kibble swells up and can take up to 12 hours to make it through the system. However natural food such as raw or home cooked digests relatively quickly, within 5 hours so if she is having both in her system at once it may get confused and that could be causing digestive problems. Is there any way you could stop the kibble altogether? When I find it difficult to feed raw, such as when we travel I take stuff like tinned sardines, cottage cheese etc and I often simply slip into a store wherever I am and buy some things for them in there.

i would love to stop the kibble all together and just home cook but we travel from Canada into the US a lot and i can't bring her food... so there are times when it is mandatory that i have kibble with her... i do my best to try and feed her on the road what i can find, but there are times when we just need the kibble. it's tough... she is mostly on protien with a bit of veggies and grains with her home cooked food... so i didn't think the switch would bother her much... the kibble we use right now is Fromms... not bad.. but not as good as Orijen

Yorkiekids 08-28-2007 03:08 PM

I use Nutro Natural Formula, and it says high in protein, but doesn't tell you how much.

lara2913 08-29-2007 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 1337440)
i would love to stop the kibble all together and just home cook but we travel from Canada into the US a lot and i can't bring her food... so there are times when it is mandatory that i have kibble with her... i do my best to try and feed her on the road what i can find, but there are times when we just need the kibble. it's tough... she is mostly on protien with a bit of veggies and grains with her home cooked food... so i didn't think the switch would bother her much... the kibble we use right now is Fromms... not bad.. but not as good as Orijen

I'm not sure what to suggest really, perhaps you could try going maybe a week without home cooking, just giving her the Fromms kibble mixed with the Orijen to try to get her used to it?

chestermama 08-29-2007 11:10 PM

chester has been on solid gold for a while, I recently changed to athe millenium and he loves it a break from the wee bit

Sukoshis Gma 08-30-2007 04:31 AM

Are most of these foods available in stores or do you need to get them off the net? I have seen a lot that have been mentioned but don't believe I've seen the Orijen or Life's Abundance for example.

Wylie's Mom 08-30-2007 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 1334572)
I will not feed Science Diet anymore. I also wouldn't feed Iams or Euk. Iams has been doing cruel animal testing for years.

I was going to write the EXACT same thing. SD and EUK are, in my opinion, very poor quality. And Iams was BUSTED for cruelty to animals! I would never support a company such as that.

The other mentioned foods (Orijen, Canidae, Wellness, Innova etc) are GREAT - as is the dog food analysis site.:)

Sukoshi's Mom 08-30-2007 12:22 PM

This a great thread because we were just looking at switching Sukoshi's food since she is 1-year now and doesn't need the "puppy" food anymore. For those of you on the raw diet, I went to the Nature's Variety website, and it looks like most of the flavors (other than Beef) only have about 13 protein and 3 fiber. What is the incentive to feed them raw when several of the kibbles mentioned in this thread have 24 or 26 protein and 4 fiber? I want to give Sukoshi what's best for her, even if it costs a little more up front. I figure it'll be worth the savings in vet bills down the road because she's healthier, but I don't have time for homecooking at this point. The raw medallions sounded more convenient, but I'm wondering what other benefits it has since it doesn't seem obvious from the protein standpoint especially. Thanks for any help you can offer!

Yorkieluv 08-30-2007 12:47 PM

In order to get the accurate amount of protein in something, you have to convert it to a dry matter basis...Find out how much moisture is in those Nature's Variety things...Example: If you have a canned food or raw food that says 13% and the moisture is 75%, then in order to get the correct amount of protien. You take 13 (the amount of protein listed) divided by 25 (the reciprocal of the amount of moisture) = 52% protein on a dry matter basis... Hope this helps...
Same with the fiber...
Remember, this was just an example, I have no idea what the amount of moisture is in Nature's Variety medallions...But now, you can figure it out on your own :)

msodie 08-30-2007 12:55 PM

Dog Food - what's best..
 
I feed Squeaky Royal Canin and no wet food at all. I had tried him on several others and he wouldn't eat it. I got a small sample package from Royal Canin upon request and he ate it, hands down. He's had it for 6 years now and his vet seems to be pleased with his overall health.


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