i am not sure but i think if they have the piebald gene, they are almost ALL OVER white with a little tan in the face and on the rear.

great topic!!
 

i'm glad you started this thread! i recently noticed mimi has ALOT of white fur on her chest too& a little at her feet- she reminds me of your baby... i wasn't sure if that was the norm?! :confused: or if she would outgrow it?
honestly- i don't even really understand what the parti gene, "carrier" etc is!!?
i tried to find some info on the parti gene but didnt see much stuff besides people selling "carrier" puppies with the gene--- so is having the white fur spots a good thing?! her parents were pure--so i am a little confused?! i saw some mixed opinions on the issue.

of course i LOVE her no matter what color or size!!

ps- i know the quality of my cellphone camera is bad--i will post better quality pics of her this week after my digital camera is fixed

From what I have seen Carriers do not have white all over, can be just just "blazed" or no white at all! Look at the pic in this thread by JeanieK that is a pic of a carrier (she's beautiful) After researching you do not even have to have any white on them to be a carrier, actually many dont. Im forgetting names now, but someone in another thread bred a carrier (splitter) and a standard, and she also posted the pups...OmG soooo cute 3 were standard, and one lil full parti girl! I think she said if you breed a splitter and a standard you have a 50-50 chance of getting a parti. In her case she has had 2 litters, first one she got 3 parti's and one standard, next litter 1 parti and 3 standards. Absolutely amazing to me. :D

thread
 

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83093

Okay there is the thread go look at these babies!!!! LOVEM!! Oh and it Biewer babies not Parti as I stated, still same piebald gene at hand just different blood lines. SO COOL!

i would have never thought my vinny had a piebald gene but look at this pictue and tell me what you think. he is about 4 months old in this picture
he is white white white on his head chest and bottom

Could be never know until you breed thats whats so frustrating....lol From what has been explained to me there is a chance he is!!! See now your gonna get all curious like me !!! lol :cool:

there are some people on this site that are very knowledgeable in this area. i wish they would see this thread and explain it. i need to find the thread where this was explained in very dept detail.

if you gals really want to know about biewer and parti. read this thread that was started by me but has A LOT wealth of information about the biewer and parti.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ghlight=biewer

wow!:thumbs up i just read all 6 pages of that thread! VERY informative with the different theories on white coloring! i dont know if mimi's white markings will go away as she matures or what?!:questione

either way "the meemster" is my sweetie!! :wub:

Thats how I thought of Diggy too...I thought he would out grow it, may still, just weird how its getting bigger and more prodominant. I guess we'll see I have more pics of him from last night I have to uplaod so Ill post in a few.

Last Night
 

these are from last night. He's soooo full of it. :D

How cute!

hmmmm-- thats exactly how i think mimi is going to look soon! how old is diggy? also, just wondering but does diggy have any white marks on his feet?! mimi has a mark on her foot.

ps- diggy looks hilarious in the last pic!

Diggy is 15 weeks 2 days old and is 3.1 pounds. And yes, he does have white in his feet and inside hind legs also. legs are white to the root and paws look like he ran into a paint brush but now coming in white at the root too.

Diggy is soooooooo cute! It is hard to say if he is a carrier or not, but he does certainly have large patches of white...hmmmm. :confused:

Gorgeous baby!!

Tammy

I have been doing my own research because I hope to one day own a Parti.Your dog is cute but i dont see what you are talking about.He doesnt appear to have the strong white that a carrier would have.you keeo referring to him as a splitter.in order to be a splitter he would have one parent that is biewer.Have you not ever seen his parents?He looks like many young yorkie puppies that also have white until they get older.Infact he looks pretty dark to me.I am not sure if you are hoping that he is a carrier or a splitter.your post reads like you are wanting him to carry the pie bald gene and may be he does but he just doesnt look like it to me.

Well going back over and reading my posts I dont see where I said I wanted him to be a splitter or not...I read me as saying I dont care either way and just curious. Yes, I do think biewer/partis are beautiful. Yes I find it interesting to research, and yes I have looked into this to some degree by speaking to those who breed biewers and a breeder of partis. (refer to post 15 and 22) From what they have explained to me, you do not have to have a lot of white to be a carrier nor do your parents have to a biewer/parti in order to be a carrier of the pie bald gene. I used the word splitter before I knew what I was talking about and started researching, I used it because i was asked if he was a splitter hence why I started this thread. I was also told that a carrier and a Standard yorkie can produce a tri colored pup. As a full tri color can have a standard colored yorkie. Again I do not care what he is as he is my baby and I am simply curious. It is also my understanding that the pie bald is being studied by AKC right now and noone can say for certain exactly where it came from and how it works exactly. I am NO expert, and just trying to learn. As far as not seeing the white I am talking about well look closely at the pics of Diggy, Sorry I see white...and so do others thats why they are asking me why the white? Whats it from? I have seen parents and grandparents of Diggys and have 3 of Diggys siblings in my family, same parents different litters and they had a small quarter size of white on chest (well 2 did) and Diggy has a substantial larger amount of white then they do.
I don't think I am way off for asking why the white and you are exactly right he may be just like many other young Yorkies with white, and if that is all it is, then that would be my answer, but before giving an answer I felt like researching a bit and giving an educated answer than just assuming. Lots of experts in here have helped me and I appreciate it. There are also many Parti/Biewer breeders in here that may also help you on your research and help in finding you a tri colored baby as you stated you want. Hope that answers your questions, and good luck with your research! It's fun!

Diggy
 

I do not see the pie bald markings in Diggy. It is not uncommon for many lines to have a lot of white in the beard and legs..what makes a parti, a parti is the white on the body..at least that is what the Biewer/Parti breeders tell me.
I used to get a lot of white in the tan when I bred Rothby to Trivar..then bred back to Rothby...but they were not parti's..some went too silver and I had to bring in a better steel blue.

Look at his parents and grandparents..as far back as you can go and check their color. Since you want to use him for stud, make sure the bitch owner knows exactly what they are paying for..
I know several Biewer/Parti breeders with pups..I do not mind referring.

Thanks for your reply Rose. Mary said the 2 of you had looked at the pics of Diggy and felt the white was normal for a standard Yorkie coloring and I appreciate you looking! I had never seen so much white and was very curious what it was! I have seen parents, and grandparents and no white....actually the bitch and stud tend to have very Darkish Auburn colored babies as you can see in Bella and Ada. I just get asked all the time why the white?? And honestly I did not know, I mean I knew the parents and grandparents didnt have it but something a little different can pop up anywhere no matter how careful we are as not everything is hereditary and I had No clue what is and isnt hereditary....boy this learning process is very detailed and there is lots to learn! I have 3 books I am going back and fourth reading and the net but I have found the most help here, and just simply asking what I dont understand. Many have been SOOOO help full and a wealth of knowledge! Thanks all!

she said just what i said.I see more of a silver color not white.Sorry if i offened you.yourkierose-would you mind emailing me the names of the breeders that you know with the Partis?

No Im not offended, I am just trying really hard to research and do everything right before I step into the studding world...and this thread was started some time ago and i have asked many many questions since and wanted to share what I have learned as many are very knowledgeable on here. I can also tell you some on here that are in the Parti/Biewer scene...very nice people and also have helped answer a lot of my questions.

In the pic he does look Silver but in person it is white. Bella and Ada also went through the silver stage of her coat this isnt silver. Pics probably reflect it that way but it is very white. At this moment Diggy is getting the silver head at the roots.....The white i was questioning has been there since he was a pup. Maybe he will outgrow as Rose said. Did you want me to share the names of those that answered my questions on the Partis also? Might be the same as Rose knows not sure the ones Iknow are from here in Yt. Hers may be as well.

I don't know either, but he sure is cute. What is the Vet leaning towards?

She did not have an opinion. She felt it could go either way and felt there is not enough known about pie bald gene in yorkies yet to say for sure. And thanks for the compliment...Diggy said Thank you!

Would you please email me the names of people that you know of with the Parti's.

he is a cute little boy but to me, he does not look like a parti. he is way way too dark. again, he is very cute.

Thank you! I think he's a looker myself.....:p But I do have my momma goggles on! :D

What a darling he is!!

Dawn

Well thank you sooo much! I just adore him! I questioned getting a boy being I have had such wonderful luck with my girl Bella...but he is amazing!! Im so glad I did! Thank heavens for little boys!:p

Without little boys there weren't be any little girls. Ha-ha.

I have a carrier that has no white at all. His Daddy was a parti and his momma a carrier, so I know he is a carrier. they don't have to have any white. that is where the big surprises come in. they mate two very traditional looking yorkies and get a tri color. that happens when both of the parents carry the piebald gene.

He certainly looks like a carrier to me. Chachi's momma had the white bib just like this little guy does.