Ok, We Went By Here Today!
 

We went by there around noon today. The appearance of the house from the street was that no one was home. The blinds and shades were all pulled down tight. I started looking for signs that a dog lives there on the outside. You could see their backyard from the side street. There was no fence around the back yard. There was no dog house, dog bowl, no evidence of any tie out for a dog, no doggy toys, no sign that a dog lives there from the ouside. I dont know about you, but even in winter I have doggy toys all over the back yard, a water bowl outside and a dog house. But I realize that since their yard isn't fenced in maybe they dont keep things outside.

Ok, so I told my husband I was going to go up and knock on the door and he told me he didn't know if the neighborhood was safe for me to do this. I did anyway. I rang the doorbell and could hear it ringing inside. No one answered. There was no sound of dogs barking in the house or scratching at the door or anything. The house had a very low front window that ran all the way across the front room and I know if my dogs were in that house their little heads would be peeking out that window and they would be barking if someone was at the door. But no dogs showed up at the window.

Now I realize that they could be out of town with the dogs, maybe they went for a vet visit with the mommy dog and puppies, maybe the dogs are kept in the basement, or some other thing. I just thought I would tell you what I saw and you can draw your own conclusions.

Sorry I couldn't find out more. I really wanted to ask the homeowner if they had any puppies for sale. DARN!!! I really wanted to hear what they had to say.

The really sad thing is that all of our privacy has been invaded, not just her.
I certainly don't want my life history posted on the internet, but I am sure there is a lot of information out there.

Off the subject, but why would they not be able to ship the puppy if it's cold out?

They can't keep them in an unheated area it's always cold up high.

Being an emergency room nurse I have real trust issues with most people I come in contact with. I know that I sound mean but I guess it comes from being lied to all the time. The sad reality is that you really can't trust anyone you don't know. Maybe it would be best to buy a puppy from someone that you can meet in person and actually see the puppies. If you have to save up a little longer to be able to afford a better quality puppy I think you will be better off in the long run to know that you actually have a healthy puppy from a good breeder. Also vet bills can be expensive. A bad illness or injury could end up costing more than what you paid for the puppy. Just think about how expensive it can be to own a puppy.

It sounds like this all worked out fine since you were able to get your money back. Don't you just love this board? If I were ever to get a puppy from out of the area I would definitely post the info and find someone to just go there and check out the puppy in person. How cool it that?

Anyway, if you borrowed $450.00 to get the puppy and were concerned about paying it back, I do have a bit of advice. Yorkies are not cheap to own. The purchase price may be only the tip of the iceberg. You could double the cost in the first month in vet visits alone if the puppy were to come up with a case of kennel cough or other illness or maybe fall off your couch (as another yt'er posted) and break a leg, etc.... I know you really want a puppy now but it would be wise to do some research and find out how much the puppy will probably cost you and start saving up for it now and don't actually get a puppy until you have twice as much as you need. That way if the puppy were to need unexpected medical care you would be prepared to deal with it.

because all the airlines make you have the puppy acclimated to fly only between certain temps. I think it is 20-82 or something close to that. We have shipped hundreds of beagles. if you book your pup one day they check on both ends of the flight and every stop in between and when you show up the next day to fly the pup, if there has been a change out of the range, they will cancelyour flight. it is written right on the bottom of every health certificate the vet gives you to give the airline. All the airlines have the same temp range. That's why.

I have had 2 puppies flown to me and I do believe the area is unheated. People have said when they got their puppies the water in the bowl was frozedn and such.
If it is too hot the dog would die from being overheated; too cold the dog would freeze. And especially, remember how tiny these little yorkie puppies are.

My initial thoughts when I read this thread were how can someone with so many things wrong with them breed dogs? If she cant use her arms, or stand or sit then how does she bathe and groom them? Raising puppies is a lot of work and if you are that disabled then how do you do it? I could be way off base here, but to me it sounds like someone who is trying to work the system with all of her disabilities so she doesnt have to work and she stays home and breeds dogs or maybe she just scams everyone and doesnt even have any dogs. There are families out there that are generation after generation of people who live off of the system. Like I said I could be wrong but she sure did have lots of things wrong with her and was trying to get compensated for all of them. Looks like a big time scammer to me.

I totally agree!

Its been a while since I read her SS case, but wasen't she just about to retire and didn't they say she was a good employee for like 15 years?? I don't think it would be fair to say she is working the system. Generational system workers won't have that many years of employment between the family.

Angie

I totally agree: Piper fell off the bed the 1st week, it wasn't broke but it was still over $100 for the Vet to tell me that. Spaying alone was over $200. We've had an ultra sound plus the visits $500 to get us to an ultra sound. She was sick when we got her $300. Vaccinations, $200 or so. I could go on & on. It cost alot for small dogs, not just the price of being able to puchase one.

Sooooooo true....You took the word right out of my mouth.

I agree with everyone to make sure you have what you need for money before getting a small dog. When I bought Babybear he had coccidia(sp?) I had to give meds to him and I have two other furbabies I had to buy meds for them also. Then when he was 6 months he jumped of my couch 12 inches high and broke his leg on the growth plate. That alone was over a thousand dollar. (don't tell hubby he thought it was less). After his leg he would complain about his neck bothering him I went to the vets about 4 times for them to tell me it was a pinched nerve. That cost me around 500 for visits and meds. Then when he was 20 months old he had a sezuire of some sort that was another 300.00. Then when he was 22 months old he jumped of my lap and broke his neck, died in my arms but we brought him back and gave him mouth to mouth. He cost us 600.00 that day for tests and emergancy care. Just to be misdiagnosed. I went for a second opinion which cost another 250.00 to find out that his neck was broken and he needed a 2500.00 surgery. We scarped up the money which we are still paying on. The 2500.00 was a estimate it actually cost us 3700.00 for the surgery and hospital stay, but then you have the rechecks. All in all the surgery and rechecks were over 4500.00. Thank god I can do the therapy for him. If I were not able to that would have cost me 175.00 for initial visit for Acuppuncture and 75 for each visit. Then there is water therapy that is 65.00 of first visit and 35.00 each visit after that and that is two to three times a week. I needed a wheel chair for Babybear, thank goodness there was a sweet lady that had just lost her furbaby she donated her wheel chair for Babybear and those are around 700.00 to a 1000.00 Babybear was a thousand. His chair was very complicated to make the donated one did not work so this nice woman bought him a new one. My little guy we have figured has cost around 10,000.00. And all i am telling you is the things that have gone wrong this doesn't include yearly check ups or shots, heartworm pills, etc. And at this time he is only 28 months old. I still have another 12 to 15 years to go. He is my little lover man and I would not have done anything differantly.
I am not trying to scare you out of getting your little furbaby. I am like everyone else trying to prepare you for what could happen. I would make sure you have enough money just in case. I wish you all that luck in the world finding your forever furbaby. Just please be prepared for him/her.

1935, For all the difference 3 years makes. LOL Sylvia

Evelyn Crudup being investigated by law enforcement
 

I too got took by this Evelyn Crudup in Missouri. She was referred to me by "another breeder", Anita Hogan from Palm Bay, Florida. I reported this to the FBI IC3 site and recieved a call from the police who are investigating and going after her. I doubt if I would ever see my money again, but if they put these people behind bars, I will be happy. If any sees either Crudup or Hogan's name, run. They may be the same person.

These poeple may not know they violated federal laws by using the internet and wire transfers acroos state line to commit fraud. Anyway the feds are after them.

I bought a puppy from a local private breeder, examined the puppy, had it checked out. The puppy is doing very well and full of energy and love.

Never would buy anything, pet or otherwise from a private individual again on the internet and especially using a money transfer.

Anita Hogan Why is that name so familiar? Did her name come up on YT?

jerrystroud
 

I was scammed about 2 1/2 years ago, about 6 mnths prior to finding Peanut, the love of my life. I found a Yorkie on puppyfind that I just fell in love with, spoke to the so-called breeder on the phone who seemed very nice and knowledgable about her dogs, then promptly Western Unioned her $1,000. She gave me the flight conformation number, I brought my very excited daughter with me to the airport, but NO PUPPY! Apparently this woman had booked 10 flights and did not ship one. I tried to get in touch with her but she was no where to be found, so I posted a "Buyer Beware" add on puppyfind and got an unbelievable amount of responses from my fellow victims, alot of which purchased the same non-existant puppy. I reported it to the FBI and found out this woman was using a stolen identity of a dead woman named Cora Robinson. The thiefs real name is Florence Colegrove and after 2 1/2 years the case finally went to court. She stole a total of over $25,000 from more than 20 of us and was given a 2 year suspended sentence with probation. She was ordered to pay back all my money which was $1,060 (including price to Western Union etc) but has 2 years to pay me back. I was sent a letter by the district attorney in Nevada and was given her probation officers phone number and I am supposed to contact him in March. I was amazed this whole process took so long and that this woman got to keep our money for two and a half years but is allowed 2 yrs to pay it back and NO jail time. Grrrrrrr!!!! Jerrystroud, don't give up, justice hopefully will prevail, just hang in there.

Anita Hogan
 

Anita Hogan was also the name of an actress (from Nigeria?). It could be someone is using that name on a referral e-mail address. There is an Evelyn Crudup at the address sent to me. I verified this and also got a telephone number that was also supposed to be valid. The person at the other end denied being Evelyn Crudup but I am sure it was her. Hopefully she will be wearing a set of shiny bracelets soon on her way to her new residence, complete with bars.

i replied to sev of these and they are scams... you can usualy tell by the way they type that some are not from here-and they are charging you for weird shipping charges internationally-on some of them.
i have actually gotten a couple of emails back (2 months later) from the newspaper or webad company, stating that i had replied to a fraudulent ad and not to proceed.
I would do a search w/the name or email address in google or type in yorkie scam and you will probably find out if this is a scam????
it's so hard these days but the red flag is the money order.

Maybe I'm totally cruel, but I don't feel sorry for her. Did you read it at all? She was denied disability from SSI because she basically tried to scam them. It was determined that she was not really disabled. She scamed the government, scams innocent puppy buyers - not an ounce of feeling sorry for her by me.

Now, for innocent people that have done nothing wrong, I would feel very bad that their whole life was out there for the world to see.

I agree with Britta 100%. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I don't think anyone fully understands unless they were the one who was scammed.

Just curious, if it was cold enough for the water to freeze, how did the dog not die?

When I was looking at flying Ferdinand to Oregon, all the airlines I called had temperature controlled areas. It was December and it's cold in December up there, but they assured me that the area was heated. I ended up deciding not to do is as to not put him through the trauma.

Hey, sweetie, the SS administration denies cases to see if they can out last you. You can have a very serious case with all the documentation and they will deny you. If you give up, that's one less person they have to pay. I have not heard of one person who was readily accepted when they were applying for disability. I know this cause my husband had to go thru it and he always has his ears perked for any information that involves SSD.

I'm not saying this lady is on the up and up, you can fool these people. Especially if you have a minor injury that you are claiming is worse than it is. We have heard of these happening too. I'm just saying that this lady MIGHT have needed the SSD, that doesn't give her the right to dupe people. It does make it look like she is predisposed to fraud, tho. Sylvia

I work in a er and I see every day people who are drawing disability that are young able body people who just are too lazy to work. They are in better shape than I am. Some of them say they have "nerve problems" some have "back problems" and some of them don't remember why they are recieving disability. I would say that more than half - probably more- of the people are not even disabled...and the ones trying to get their disability keep coming to the er for different complaints over and over. A big thing is that they fake seizures Or they are in a MINOR accident without any vehicle damage and absolutly no injuries and come in the er screaming and crying and saying they are going to "get some money out of this"...get over it and quit trying to find a free ride. Anyway it makes me sick...it makes me so mad and that is one reason I only work 2 days a month now. I know there are ALOT of people that are on disability that needs to be (and alot turned down even though they are unable to work) but I am sick of paying taxes for the ones that don't need it. They can get their lazy a$$ out and get a job like the rest of us. I am sorry if I offended anyone but this is my opinion.

i have all her emails still if you need any help on anything. i got my money back in time. i canceled my money order due to bad feelings and people on here supporting me telling me it was a scam.

The airline temperature restrictions aren't for the flying temperatures, they're for the temperatures on the ground. Planes can sit on the tarmac or runway for extended periods of times & the pets are in a "holding area" until they're put onboard. Same thing when they arrive at their destination. So if it's exceptionally cold or hot outside, the animals can be exposed to it.

CJ, Former long time travel agent :)

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