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I guess where I was going with that is that by the time you research and find a good breeder,find out the work that they've put into it, the bloodlines, pedigrees, how they are raised, etc... you're not going to find a $300 puppy. Yes, there's always the ones out there trying to get rich off them, but there is a line somewhere. Where? I don't know. I'll be the first to admit that I started out asking too much for my puppies. I didn't know where to start. In fact, I'm more than willing to discuss prices with someone. To me, there's more involved than just a flat rate for a puppy. Making sure it is going to a good home is #1. |
Prices for a quality, healthy puppy do not start or stop with the puppy... it's a reflection of the breeder's practices year round, even when there are no puppies. It's very expensive maintaining healthy adults year round. Food, vet care, heart worm meds, grooming supplies, bedding, crates, pens, fencing, LAWN CARE (POOPER SCOOPING), cleaning supplies, tons of washing...I could go on and on, but please be assured that if a breeding program is done correctly with love and compassion, it all adds up and 1200 for a puppy is extremely fair IMO. I will not even go into the costs of showing for those of you who have "ch sired" or "champion parents" pups. :) That's why I get very irritated with the thought of pet stores, mills and brokers..they have NO CLUE. |
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I agree with this post 100%. The cost of a stud fee and caring for a female during pregnancy and after birth (EVEN if a C-section is involved) is only a tiny fraction of the cost of the year round maintenance. Additionally, there time and effort that goes into taking care of healthy breeding animals..... With that said, ultimately, the cost of puppies is determined by the amount of $$ people are willing to spend. If buyers refused to pay what breeders are asking for Yorkie pups and chose a less expensive breed instead, then one of two things would happen -- Yorkie breeders would either quit breeding OR they would reduce their prices. If we are reducing the cost of a pup to just $$, then where can you get 10+ years of unconditional love for $1,200 plus annual maintenance? I for one, hope that Yorkies always remain at a price that is outside the the amount of $$ that casual dog owners are willing to pay. |
I personally believe that one reason so many people are breeding little Yorkies - people who have had no experience, etc., is simply because they can be sold for a good amount of money. It is unfortunate that you should have to pay so much just to get a healthy Yorkie puppy. Most other breeds are healthy from the get-go (I'm talking about home-grown puppies) - and it really isn't always such an issue --- even with a lot of other small breeds. I paid $850 for my pup - he's larger than standard, but he's perfectly healthy and a wonderful pet - of course. Nevertheless, $850 was still a lot to pay for a little dog. And - I love him like a million dollars. This is not the point. I would love a free little mixed breed from the pound just as much. "How can you put a price on love?" Not even an issue here....... Remember - you pay the price before you even take the little puppy home - and like I said, most of us wouldn't sell any pet we've grown to love for any amount of money. I do think Yorkies are overpriced. I wonder why so many Yorkies need C-sections - and why their litters are so small - and why so many pups aren't healthy ---- and why so many of us have a lot of vet bills -- Then to top it off, we want to be reimbursed for all these expenses that some of us have helped to bring upon these little breed. Of course - not all of us - (not even most of us) -- but those of us who are breeding tiny little dogs under 5 pounds and selling little pups saying that they will be 3 or 4 pounds full grown are causing a lot of the problems and vet bills that seem to be the main excuse for charging so much for the little puppies in the first place. **** I do see a lot of litters of four or five puppies here on YT - and I also see a lot of little Yorkie mothers that didn't have to have C-sections. I have read a lot recently about little mothers dying after delivery. This breaks my heart. Why do we breed some of our pets - if this can happen so easily? I wouldn't even consider it. **** I will be the first one to say that if anyone wants to breed excellent examples of any breed or wants to serious show any breed - they should be prepared and willing to pay a good price for the dogs they buy. This makes perfect sense to me. Most of us don't do this though - we want good examples of whatever breed we choose to buy - and we want our dogs to be good pets and members of our family. *** I don't think my friend will donate any of the money she made on her puppies to the local shelter. What would you do if you were trying to sell your house for $200,000 and someone walked in and offered you $300,000 for it???? I don't think anyone is going to convince me that the high prices that are being charged for some Yorkies can be justified --- Carol Jean |
I think that yorkie puppies from BYB or petstores are way over priced but also feel that the prices that reputable/ethical breeders are fair or too low for all they do to insure your pup is healthy. Those that breed any two dogs with no health testing, and the bare minimal vet care..... IMO do not justify the high prices of their pups. The cost of a healthy litter goes up when the proper health testing, medical care..... is added. That is why I have no problems with the prices that the "ethical" breeders charge. Knowing that they have spent extra to do these things and also provide a health guarantee to me makes me feel like their pups are a bargain. Piece of mind is priceless. |
I found this thread to be very interesting. I'd first like to say, your friend got lucky. Like a person who walks into a casino for the first time, drops a quarter in a machine and hits the jackpot. It they leave and never go back they will always be ahead, but if they continue to go bAck soonner or later they are bound to loose back all they won. If your friend never breeds again, she will remain money ahead. but if she continues to breed, sooner or later, she will probably loose all that she has gained. However, there has to be money in it, or there wouldn't be so many people doing it. I would be interested in knowing what percentage of yorkies come from small home breeders and what percentage come from puppy mills. I bet the small breeders sell way more than the mills do,. I believe as the prices go up the quality will decline because more and more people will want to jump on the band wagon and they will breed anything to make a buck. But as the market becomes saturated with them, the prices will go down. |
prices There are only a few things in this world I would pay an outrageous sum of money for..number on my list is a YORKIE.... |
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And you know, your only talking about 1 litter, 1 time. And the folks who have 8 or more females they breed? I know how much it cost to keep 2 in heart worm meds, flea meds, vet bills, and other needs of yorkies. It all adds up fast. Breeders put a lot of "time and throught" into this. They don't just thow 2 dogs in a room and have puppies later. They look for good qualities, do testing, remove some dogs from their breeding program. I feel their time and knowledge, is worth a lot to me. My last puppy has never been sick. She'd been vet checked, dew claws removed, tail docked, had fist set of shots, and wormed. I can't imagine the bill for her and all her littermates! And she came with a guarantee, a tube of Neutra-Cal, and enough food to last 2 weeks! Did your freind have all this done for her whole litter? I didn't mind paying what I paid for her at all! I know the lady I got her from takes very good care of all her dogs. When they can no longer breed, she has them spayed, and keeps them. I can't imagine buying food alone for the dogs she had! Much less the vet bills for shots, heart worm meds, and flea meds! And thats just for well dogs. Many things can happen when whelping litters, especially if have more than just "one" like your friend had. I don't think you've done all your homework, just listing to ONE person that had ONE litter. Spending your life breeding dogs for the betterment of the breed is a whole different ball game than having one litter and quitting. Sometimes a bargain, isn't a bargain. Look in the sick section. Many folks lately, got a new baby, only to find out they are sick, and need a lot of medical care. And no, I do not breed, never have and probably never will. But I have a high respect for breeders. Especially since I've seen 3 on this board here lately, loose the female right after the babies are born. They have to bottle feed these pups every 2 hours, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. You think they want 300 bucks for each puppy after going through all that?? I think not! |
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I agree, good post. But you know I have to say this as far fetched as it may sound I'm actually kind of thankful for those that have had one litter and do quit afterwards...instead of saying "oh I made a buck" and continue on and on with less than standard dogs and no thought into the program. For example the one's that "precious" accidently bred with "little man" tonight, now what do I do! There would be far less "one timers" if only breeders would ENFORCE their spay/neuter contracts!! |
I added my .02 in the beginning, and that didn't change, but here's another .02 for a total of .04. (I'm about broke in knowledge, though, so I'll quit after this.) If Yorkies were cheap, it would open them up to more people to own them: More families with kids who don't know how to care for small dogs, more people who can't afford the surgeries they might require, more owners who think a Yorkie is just a, well, DOG. I'm sort of glad they're not cheap. They are owned by people who have given the matter some serious thought. Oh, and rich people, too, but they're gonna buy whatever they want anyway. |
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what is ECK?? I live on Long Island and paid $1500 for Monday, floppy ears and all ... she is the sweetest dog you'd ever want to meet, great temperament, pretty little face, 4.5 lbs. and worth every cent .... She is AKC registered, but I surely did not want a show dog ... I wanted a pet and loving companion. :) Shez smart, knowz what she wantz and has her own unique way of letting me know ... And with all the extras they sold me, I walked out paying 2K .... Water & food bowls, crate, carrier bag, food, electrolyte stuff, joint stuff ... on and on. Still no complaints. |
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So labs are the second most popular dog? They don't sell for thousands, not the ones I have seen! In our area, yorkies go for $800 and up and labs are anywhere from $150-$500 with papers. Sometimes people are giving them (labs) away. Maybe it is just our area, but for being the second most popular dog, they are no where NEAR as pricey as yorkies! |
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But I do melt when I see the newborns on here! Too bad some of the moms died in the process. My heart goes out to them. |
It all depends on what persons consider a overprice . Mine are already spayed or neutered before leaving my home , they are socialized , they know what pee pads are for , they are used to go in car , bus and metro . I have a 3 years health guarantee . If someone want a show prospect , the puppy is trained and went to puppy matches because I consider It would not be fair for the new owner to let him or her go with a pup that is not trained . |
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Like it or not the price has a lot to do with the breed. It is a very popular breed right about now. Yeah I know some have problems delivering and it can make the vet bills very high. I also know that if it was a different unpopular breed the cost wouldn't be as high. I know a breeder who is very devoted to her dogs. Her prices as much lower because there isn't a high demand for her dogs. Some prices on the dogs can be through the roof and some are very resonable. I only paid 700 for Diesel. He is a very healthy 5 pound dog. He is going on 2 soon and I have never had any problems with him. I would just tell someone to keep looking till they find a pup in their price range. |
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Good Post Debra!! :thumbup: |
Thanks Francie -- Ben is curled up on my chest with his little head on my shoulder right now. I am thinking he is worth about a million bucks even if I do have to type one-handed. :) |
To me, if the yorkie comes from a reputable breeder and a health guarantee........I am willing to pay what is necessary. If not, I don't care if he's 100 bucks. |
Something to ponder about the one time breeder. Does a one time breeder give a health guarantee? Does she health test her breeding adults to assure liver shunt doesnt rear its ugly head, LP's, heart problems etc?? Imagine if one or all of the above happened to one of the pups, then what? did she already spend the money on a big screen TV or that over due family vacation? Average cost of a repair $1800.00 on any of the above operations. God forbid the puppy dies! Then what? how does she replace the puppy? breed the pair again? refund the money? ignore the buyer? or stress there is nothing wrong with the parents so it had to be YOUR fault! Just because she think she is lucky to make such a profit upon placement at perhaps 8 weeks of age (because her vet said it was ok) her responsiblity doesnt stop at placement or does it because she had planned only one litter? |
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wow...gives you somthing to think about:thumbup: |
I need to go back and talk about different breeders and different puppies again. I said that if a person is very particular about their puppy meeting the standards - or if the person buying a Yorkie puppy (or any puppy) wants to add this new little pup to a breeding program or wants a show-quality puppy -then "YES," they should be willing to pay a much higher price. This should be true with any breed. But - if you want a little Yorkie for a pet - and have no intention to breed or show it, you certainly don't need to pay as much. However, I do think anyone buying a purebred is entitled to a little dog that is a good representative of its breed. After all, that is why we chose to buy a certain breed. My friend's little Yorkie (the one that was bred) is a very good looking little girl. And, I know the little Yorkie that fathered her litter is also a handsome little Yorkie. And - they are both happy, healthy, well adjusted little pets. She has little reason to believe their puppies would be any different or have any problems. And - NO - the dogs were not tested for every imaginable problem a Yorkie can ever have. There was no DNA testing - no genetic testing - none of that. But - everyone was entitled to learn about and see the parents, and given their health history. (And - my friend can even give a good account of the history and health of her dog's parents.....which by the way - has been problem free.) When I got my pup - I was told to take him to the vet - and if the vet found any serious problem, I could return him and get a full refund. That was it. And - I was perfectly satisfied with this arrangement. If my dog had gotten sick six months or a year after I got him - I wouldn't have gone back to the breeder. I would have considered this my own responsibility. Most of the problems that Yorkies have are problems that have been bred into them....sadly, a lot of these problems are the result of trying to downsize the breed. And - then, because all these problems have been realized - it has become very expensive to breed them and get healthy puppies. What is wrong with this picture! Any dog can need a C-section (even a great dane) -- but little Yorkies certainly need them much more often - why! And - why are little Yorkie puppies so often sick and need so much special care and attention! My vet goes off on a tirade everytime she starts talking about some of the "little Yorkies" that she ends up having to take care of. She calls it "an unnecessary shame!" She told me that people can have all the ideas and opinions they want, but said, "I'm the one who ends up having to take care of these little dogs - and I'm the one that "shares" all the heartbreak." So - we just keep breeding our little Yorkies - even the tiny ones - and we charge high prices because they are so prone to have so many delivery and health problems - and we think this justifies our charging these high prices. We just have to have that bankroll in case some of the puppies we sold get sick or in case we run into problems, C-sections, etc., with our next litter. And, our time and trouble is worth a lot too.... I truly believe that if Yorkies were bred responsibly - they would be a little larger (not 2, 3, and 4 pounds), and the mothers and their babies would soon be much healthier and not prone to so many problems. Then the mothers wouldn't die during or after delivery - they wouldn't need so many C-sections - and the babies would be stronger and healthier. And, of course, this would also mean that they wouldn't be so expensive - because you wouldn't have to charge so much to justify covering all the problems that they might have. And, of course, (with Yorkies), we end up with - have we had genetic tests, DNA tests, etc. Do we know the parents, the grandparents, the greatgrand parents? Are we getting health guarantees - for how much - for how long??? Etc. Etc. Etc. It seems like it never ends. Smaller animals than Yorkies (like mice and hamsters) unadulterated by the human desire for $$$ seem to be healthy and have healthy babies with few problems. There is no doubt that irresponsible breeders have created most of the problems that Yorkies have. One more time --- those of you who have invested a lot in your Yorkies and are breeding to get outstanding representatives of the Yorkie breed - puppies that would quality to be bred and/or be shown.....are entitled to get a high price for your Yorkies. And - what you have - is what a lot of people want, and these people should be willing to pay more for the puppies you are breeding. I think this is a given with any breed. ** The end result is that if breeders were more responsible, it wouldn't be long before the breed, itself, would benefit, and there soon wouldn't be the extent of problems that we are now experiencing with this breed. Back again - to remind you responsible breeders - that I know there are a lot of you are out there. And, I couldn't be happier with the work that you are doing, and the care and concern you share for this breed. ***** Tell me no more about C-sections, mother's dying, puppies dying, hypoglycemia, liver shunts, etc. etc. etc. We have caused all these problems ourselves. And now we want to charge for them..... Carol Jean PS: My little Yorkie is the healthiest thing in the world. BUT - he sure shouldn't be bred - and he definitely can't be shown. He's too big, a little long in the back, has wavy hair - etc. etc. etc. But - he is a wonderful, healthy, little Yorkie pet. He's neutered - so whatever he lacks regarding breed standards - will just have to stay with him...... But - he is as cute as a button and the joy of my life -- just like all your Yorkies are. If I did breed my little/big guy. The one thing I would probably be sure to pass on is "good health." |
I'm in Ohio and the cost of Yorkies here in my area are between 600 and 800.00. We paid 600. for Cooper and he has been the best puppy . We had him to the vet once for being sick and then just his normal checkups. I would have paid more for him because that is what I wanted. Our breeder has been great with us also, if I need to know something or need something all I have to do is call her. |
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