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bizzbeth 09-17-2006 01:39 PM
Teaching "speak" causes problems?
 
So Oliver can BARK... but he also knows the command "quiet." The problem is that he'll be quiet for a few minutes and then start back up again. I suppose consistancy is what he needs so everytime he barks we do the "quiet" commend and it works for a couple of minutes.
Anyone else have this problem?
He doesn't do it ALL day- just when he is in a "mood"
Also, would teaching him the "speak" command (which he doesn't knwo yet) only encourage barking since he would be rewarded for it? Or would it limit him barking to only happen when commanded?
I just don't want to open pandora's box here.
Any suggestions?
Thank you!!!

rox626 09-17-2006 02:25 PM
I wouldn't teach him to speak. That will just be reinforcing the problem. He needs rewarding for being quiet. Maybe he just barks so you'll pay attention to him. A good long walk or session with a ball or toy might help tire him out and stop the barking.

kalina82 09-17-2006 03:04 PM
i was thinking about this too one day. i'm not sure if it would control the barking because he might learn that when he barks he gets a treat. Or he might learn that he's only allowed to bark when you tell him too. so i guess it could go either way.

JeanieK 09-17-2006 03:11 PM
I read that teaching them to speak and then rewarding them for being quiet on commmand is a good way to control barking. I don't know this to be true, I just read it somewhere.

I'd try to figure out why he is barking. Is he ordering you to pay attention to you? If so then your problem is a dominance issue and not a barking issue.

Here is a link to the Dog Whisperer website, I believe he addresses tis issue.


http://www.dogchannel.com/experts/ce...aspx?WT.srch=1

bizzbeth 09-17-2006 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeanieK
I read that teaching them to speak and then rewarding them for being quiet on commmand is a good way to control barking. I don't know this to be true, I just read it somewhere.

I'd try to figure out why he is barking. Is he ordering you to pay attention to you? If so then your problem is a dominance issue and not a barking issue.

Here is a link to the Dog Whisperer website, I believe he addresses tis issue.


http://www.dogchannel.com/experts/ce...aspx?WT.srch=1
most of the time it is during play time or when he is hyper and WANTS to play. Or when I'm standing in the kitchen cooking and not paying attention to him. I'm not sure what really to do about it.
ANy suggestions? EVERYTIME he does it I make him laydown and "quiet" which he does very quickly... but after a few minutes starts up again...
Arg....... any help would be GREAT! :D :D :D SiLlY BoY!

chattiesmom 09-17-2006 03:21 PM
As odd as this sounds, most of us don't train our dogs a quiet command. We just expect it. Barking is the only verbal type communication a dog has, so expecting a dog to be quiet without training him would be like expecting a child to be quiet in Church without first doing some training.

I have had great success in training a quiet command AFTER teaching the speak command. Speak Chattie, -- Chattie speaks, then it's good girl, speak and I top it off with a snippet of a treat.

Then I find a time when she is quiet -- and now that is most of the time and tell her good girl, quiet and give her a treat. That is a hard concept for them to learn because they aren't "doing" anything to get rewarded, but in time they figure it out. Then when they are barking without reason or without prompting from you, you can tell them quiet without yelling and get results. But don't forget the treat.

kalina82 09-17-2006 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chattiesmom
As odd as this sounds, most of us don't train our dogs a quiet command. We just expect it. Barking is the only verbal type communication a dog has, so expecting a dog to be quiet without training him would be like expecting a child to be quiet in Church without first doing some training.
Morgan knows a quiet command. the breeder taught it too her, well not exactly her. she used a command to quiet the other dogs in the house when they would get started on a barking fit. morgan must have picked it up, THANK GOD. She's actually a very quiet dog so i don't have to use it that often. she doesn't yap AT ALL. she only whines when she wants out of her pen sometimes. so if she's doing it excessively i tell her 'thats enough' and she quiets down. its also great for when she's acting like a nutter outside. she likes to play 'catch me if you can' which is only fun for so long, and when its freezing at 6 in the morning i don't want to be calling and calling her while she runs in circles. so i yell 'morgan that's enough, get inside' and she runs right in.


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