~URGENT~Gracie needs your help NOW!!! Please!!!
 

Gracie is in heat for her first time~~ Well last night we all go to bed (I keep Gracie locked in the bathroom during her Heat time w/ all her setup, I plan on breeding her with my Bailey when she is of age, she is only 8 months old right now, and we are skipping this heat of coarse, well there is another male dog in the house, (Harley the Chiuiwuawua)(however you spell it). Well, my little boy last night at 1 am goes potty, (he is 5 yrs old).... He lets Gracie out of her bathroom, and he also gets thirsty..... and wants to go downstairs to get water, and mistakenly allows Harley and Gracie together and he goes to sleep.
Well, I hear a dog Crying real loud, I am waking up to this, and Im thinking its Harley crying as he always is trying to get upstairs to Gracie, and I was going to try to calm him, and to my surprise it was him and Gracie LOCKED!!!!!

OH MY GOSH!!! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?????????? PLEASE TELL ME!!! I called the vets, they tell me there is a shot called an Abort shot (where can I find the risks about this? ), but I have 72 hours to do that. DO I want to do that?? Please I need advise.... Help me please??? I really do need your opinions, please I really am in desperate need for your advise?????

Thanks!!!

i would go get the shots...

I can't be of a great help to you.. but I did some quick research and this is what I found:

DES (which is what is contained in the abort shot) has been very successful in treating female canine incontinence stemming from poor sphincter control. It is still available from compounding pharmacies, and at the low (1mg) dose, does not have the carcinogencic properties that were so problematic in humans. It is generally administered once a day for five days and then once every 4 to 7 days as needed.

The most serious side effect of estrogen therapy is bone marrow suppression and toxicity that may progress to a fatal aplastic anemia. Estrogen toxicity manifests itself first by a leucocytosis, followed by bone marrow depression with anemia, thrombocytopenia, and leukopenia. Blood dyscrasias and changes in the peripheral blood smear may be evident by 2 weeks. Although this serious adverse effect is more common after large or repeated doses, it may occur at the recommended dose. Side effects are more common in older animals. Because of the potential toxic side effects of estrogen use, it is always important to use the lowest effective dose for the shortest period of time.

• Other side effects include signs of estrus, lethargy, diarrhea, vomiting, vaginal discharge, pyometra, polydypsia, polyuria, and feminization of male dogs.

Precautions

• DES and other estrogens should not be used during pregnancy as it has been shown to cause fetal malformations.

• Daily administration of DES in cats resulted in lesions in the pancreas, liver and heart. Estrogens have been shown to be carcinogenic in laboratory animals.

This was taken from different sources: one says it does NOT contain the cancerous properties, the other says that on a continual basis it does.

I don't know what to tell you other than good luck and that I know you'll make the best decision for your baby.

One more thing I found:

DES has been used for the prevention of pregnancy due to accidental breeding or mismating in dogs and cats. It is not generally recommended for this purpose, as it is not very effective.

if you are unsure.... and if it isnt very effective... and could potentially end up creating pups with deformities... i wouldnt do it
i think it may cause some heartbreak esp if she is pregnant and then has pups w/deformities
but i dont know alot about the subject or anything really about breeding
i used to do the obgyn thing for humans and that would scare me with the ineffectiveness and possible result
i hope someone with some experience w/this in dogs can help you
good luck in what you decide i feel for you

The safest is to let her have the pups if she did get pregnant, or to spay her right away.

The abortion shot is estrogen; estrogen prevents the egg from implanting and must be used within the first 3 days BUT there are serious side effects from using large amounts of estrogen!

Hope this helps

I've been doing some more research and this isn't even approved by the FDA for humans... which makes me nervous to administer to a dog. It was approved, but due to side effects, it is no longer available. Veterinarians, however, can still prescribed it.

Do you think your dog is old enough to handle a pregnancy? If so, I would go through with the pregnancy. It's not worth it to risk the shot not working and having deformed puppies and a mommy dog now at risk for developing side effects such as cancer.

Besides, I hear yorkie-chis are pretty darn cute!

I don't know anything about breeding, but I have a question? Is 8 months or so ok to have a litter? Is she does end up pregnant will she be a safe age to deliver?

OMG i hope everything goes ok i'm not a breeder so i don't know what to tell you i'm sorry. bumping this up so a breeder can see it.

I dont think I would risk the shot I would let her have the pups

devoted to Lucy!
 

I think I'd have to talk to my vet about the risks for Gracie both ways. I'd be worried about her having puppies so young.


Kim and Lucy:aimeeyork

I personally would not risk the shot.

Prayers that all will be fine. Sorry that happened, but I would not risk the shot if it were mine. Patti

I'm not s breeder, so i don't have any advice. I just wanted to say i hope evrything goes well for you and your little one!:)

I am not a breeder but as a yorkie mom...
 

I am going to let her have the puppies. I am broken hearted about this, but I am going to allow this. She is just a baby herself. It just tears me up this just happened this way. I feel like such a terrible mommy. Thanks for all your help, if it wasnt for all your advise, I would have given her the shot. SO thank you....

i dont envy you....
 

but that doesnt make you a terrible mommy - i am sorry for what happened but you can't beat yourself up over it... it was an honest mistake
all you can do now is turn it around and do what is right by your lil one
and it sounds likes thats what ur trying to do
is it possible she isnt pregnant?

I am very sorry that this has happened !! I haven't any advice for you just wanted to let you know that Gracie is in my prayers!!

You are NOT a terrible mommy!! It was an honest mistake. Have you talked with your vet any further about the pros/cons of each? Maybe she isn't even pregnant. I like to think that everything happens for a reason.. you and your little girl will be in my thoughts. Please keep us updated!!

devoted to Lucy!
 

I don't think you're a bad Mommy at all! I sincerely hope she's not pregnant at all. How long will it be before you can tell?


Kim and Lucy:aimeeyork

I think I should be able to tell w/in 3 weeks. I will take her to the vet next week. I can't help to feel so bad about whats happened, ya know? She is just a baby herself. I just want to cry when I think about it. Maybe she isn't pregnant. I just wanted to pull them apart last night as I watched her looking at me crying last night, It tore me up inside. There was nothing I could do. Bless her heart. She is just a little baby. I feel so awful. Im sorry I will get over it. I just feel so bad right now. I can't help it. I will help her all I can though.

breeding
 

The safest thing to do is spay her as soon as she is out of this heat..second is to allow the litter to be born. At least the sire is a small breed. Best wishes..

PS..as to a shot..I have used it twice..no pups resulted.

How is she doing today? Does she seem traumatized?

yes, I was wondering the same thing:( . I am so sorry this happened to you and your little one. Keep us updated on her progress and how your doing too!

Oh no she is as chipper as she can be, no problems what-so-ever. Its me thats traumatized. Im the one thats stressed over this, Im the one in pain, suffering, crying, gritting teeth, calling everyone, the vets, my mom, my family, my friends... You guys!!! Gracie?? You ask how she is? Oh she is fine, just as happy as she ever is....;) And Harley still whimpering and crying at the tops of my stairs waiting on her to come through. :cool:

Oh no! I'm so sorry to hear your in so much pain over this:( I wish I had something more to say to make you feel better:(

And Poor Bailey, he hasn't a clue, ah well somewhat, but she wont have anything at all to do with him, she grew up w/ him since they were little pups. And he just gave up, he just cries to get out of his crate at night. He is the Yorkie. I plan on breeding her with. Oh its just a mess to think about!!!!

Please don't be hard on yourself. You might want to talk with your vet on nutrition or a supplement for her, being so young herself she needs all the calcium, etc, for healthy development, but she may not be preganant. A vet should be able to tell you or maybe Stacy or Kimberly could regarding if and what supplement would be adviseable. I might add that maybe since this only happened the one time, hopefully she isn't pregnant so if she was mine I would seperate them so this couldn't happen again. Best to you and I am glad you decided against the shot. Patti

I just read the post over, What size is the chi that got to her, what does he weigh in pounds?

Great advice!