I agree with Pat...we have to stand behind our pups/dogs if we are to be considered responsible as breeders. I have had so many calls for a stud service and the caller will say "I have a female and I am not a breeder but my family all love her and want one of her puppies just like her!"
RED FLAG! If you put 2 dogs together and make puppies, that does make you a breeder even if for one time only....and it makes you responsible for the puppies you produce. I am not speaking to ONE person I am using "YOU" in general. I hate it when hard feelings occur out of good intentions.
Getting a puppy requires responsibility on the buyer's and seller's parts and I hope y'all can work this out. Please do not feel offended when I say this but I feel I need to point out that this is one of the reasons why breeding responsibly is one of the most difficult things a person can do. And, rest assured, both Pat and I have had our share of throwbacks but we do not repeat the breeding that produced the problem, whatever it is. We try to get 5-7 gen pedigrees as a basis for our research and learn what the lines mentioned on the ped. produce....
That is only the beginning of the planning and researching...I would suggest you retire the current breeding pair and work to get breed quality "stock". And, that is VERY hard to do...Good luck in sorting this all out...

No, My line of thinking was to avoid the puppies that are mass produced and more or less bred for income, because I was scared it wouldnt be as healthy, and to look to someone local with just one litter. If i had know that so much variation existed, I would have done more research, and i should have. But I have always had dachsunds my whole life and no matter where I got them from, they were always long and looked like a weiner dog... so I just assumed this would be the same way.Now I know better.

However I do feel like i deserve atleast a partial refund. This is how I explained to a friend:

say for your whole life you always wanted a mustang then finally in 2006 you have the money and you have been looking at pictures of them everywhere , so you order you one and they ship it to you, well when you get it, it doesn’t look like a 2006 mustang, it s doesn’t really look like a mustang at all. so you call them up and what they tell you is " Naw baby . its still got the mustang leather, the mustang engine and the mustang emblem. it’s a mustang! you don’t want your car to look like every other car you see out on the road. that one's SPECIAL" you would still be upset because it doesn’t look like what you wanted. it doesn’t look like any mustang you see on TV, the internet , the interstate , and the whole reason you wanted a mustang and saved up your money is because you liked the way they LOOK.

that is how I feel, except you can sell a car and I can not sell ralphie, i love him too much. and yes he is wonderful and cute but my point is he was expensive and not as advertised. And now i have lost the option to breed him as he has these undesirable traits...

takes deep breath as feeling a bit:mad: . breed standard was set by some snobby men in suits sitting in a room, who gave them the right to say whats breed standard or not? when yorkies were first shown there were 2 yorkie sizes one for the small yorkies and one for the larger and imo the true full yorkie, but not many people with the larger sized yorkie or should i say normal sized yorkie bothered to show them as i would think there were just pets owned by normal people with a family, the small yorkies were shown as they were bought by people who used them like some kind of fury fashion handbag so as there were not enough normal sized yorkies that were being shown that size was dropped and along came the breed standard. yorkies that were small were called the runt of the litter in the early years of the breed and were seen as useless and worthless and would have more health problems a lot were killed as no one wanted them. then fashion changed and everyone wanted a small one so the price went up. ive had small and large yorkies and i never bought any of them because of there size i bought them cos i fell for them. if this lady was told it would be breed standard then she should have some money back if she wasnt then she shouldnt, i seen no reason why the dog cant be breed with aslong as he is healthy and the buyers of the pups no they could be large and not for showing.

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I think enough years have passed that the breed standard for size needs looking at, just here on YT I see tons of normal to larger sized yorkies, and thats just a small cross section of all the people who own a yorkie, they surey have the ability to say yup we got normal large and small , or toy....they do it with other breeds of dog, look at the poodle...how many sizes of them are allowed in a show ring? I thin there are so many beautiful "larger" yorkies out there who just don't get thier due credit, because of breed standards.

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Ralphies Mom:
here are a few more pics.. as you see, he has "down ears" but I didnt try, he was too cute like he is... basically, I didnt know anything either when I bought him and when I went to the breeder, I was basically told, "o well". I wasnt intersested in pursuing it becuz I am actually happy that he is a big boy and we love him SO MUCH! The vet confirmed that he is full Yorkie as far as he can tell but a groomer(who I didnt like) told me no way! Regardless, he is my baby boy! :D
He is such a ham! The last pic is him at 13 weeks.... Donna

I totally agree with you .

Oh thanks! They do favor alot. I dont know about the ears either. Ralphie had flappy ears at first then he had what i like to call his "satellite ear" (one up one down) ha for like 2 weeks and then they went up and pointy all the time. Does Tootie's hair grow? Ralphies hair looks like tooties and just grows out wavy not straight and long, so that its pretty short.

Not to turn this thread into an argument about the breed standard, but--

I do love ALL the varieties of yorkies we see:

**large and small
**up ears and down
**long legs and "cobby"
**the blond and chocolate as well as the blue/gold
**big noses, small noses, ETC ETC~!!!

I find them all equally adorable!!! But just because all these features exist (in abundance) in yorkies, and are CUTE in all their different ways, does NOT mean they should start changing the breed standard to include them! Because if they did....the "standard" would cease to mean ANYTHING--the variety in this breed is just too great.

Many people find that part of the breed's appeal, and I agree, but I also think that the "breed standard" should be treated as the "breed IDEAL", and that that should be the ultimate goal, for the betterment of the breed.

Then if someone wanted a larger yorkie, or one with a bigger muzzle, or longer legs, or WHATEVER....they could always buy a yorkie MIX, get the wonderful adorable pet they want, and save a buttload of cash. We would ALL win, that way. Those that enjoy them standard, those that enjoy them non-standard, and THE BREED.

the only problem with that is the "mix" pups are just as expensive! LOL
I dont really have an opinion one way or the other except, I love my boy!
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Tootie has never had "up" ears. When he was little I read alot about it and then decided I liked him like he is. actually the longest hair Tootie has IS on his ears.... his hair is a bit wavy but it is taking FOREVER to grow... he wont keep top knots so I keep his "bangs" cut but I want the rest of his hair to grow long....

I agree with you that was well said. have a larger yorkie and a standard yorkie and they are night and day different

Well, you've got a point, there! And hopefully, THAT ridiculous fad will pass soon, too. (not ridiculous breeding mixes.....ridiculous CHANGING that much for them!!!)

(and I agree....your guy is a CUTIE!!!)

Good post.

haha, your little guy is soooo adorable! Big though! I have 2 yorkie brothers. They are still puppies at 9 months old... but 1 is 4.5 lbs and his hair is very soft, almost curly and his black is more steel gray and he is turning silver. Hes very squat and his legs are short. His ears curl over too. My other guy is VERY long & lean, weighs about 8.5 -9 lbs. He looks more like your guy with the up ears, his colors are JET black and tan/butterscotchish, his legs are long and his hair is very straight. They are both from the SAME litter!

I hope that helps!!! People ask me all the time why they are so different if they are brothers. I think its a dumb question! Not all the puppies are born EXACTLY the same :)

you say for the betterment of the breed? the larger yorkies are healthier than the small yorkies so if it was about whats best for the breed then the breed standard should not include yorkies under 4 pound. also the breed standard like i said did include the larger yorkies but was dropped not cos they were seen as not a good yorkie and shouldnt be breed with but cos not enough people with that size yorkie wanted to show them.