LOL. Maybe i should move down to Florida for awhile. Having a heck of a time getting Penny's majors up here in NY! I was told by one breeder than my four pound girl was "too small" to be shown! At least, now that she's pointed, I've proven that wrong. Still, those majors elude us.

I have sent several people out the door not carrying a puppy nor getting the promise of a puppy. I know it is hard to stick to your guns BUT you have certain conditions to be met before you get one of my babies. I would expect that the prospective buyer would need me to meet requirements too. I keep my puppies til the match for them comes along. The last litter of 3 that I placed left when they were 4-5 months of age. I charge more than some do for theirs but that makes no difference cause they either get a puppy or they don't.. I do not place my tinies in homes with children, smokers, vicious pets, and elderly. The last one gets raised eyebrows but I am 67 and I know how much is required to take care of a 15 year old dog and an 82 year old human. Am I discriminating? Well, yes! But, my puppies matter to me and I am responsible for them and their well-being for life. I have a take back clause, a no placing dog in another home without first letting me know..There is a clause that says failure to abide by the terms of contract can result in legal action at the buyers' expense. A spay/neuter clause is also included.
I am writing this to say that we, as breeders, have such responsibility to our own and all breeds.....I think that closing down puppy mills and those who support them must start with EDUCATING THE PUBLIC!!! I am not patting myself on the back but simply stating the things I feel are important before placing or receiving a Yorkie puppy/dog.
Breeding is not for the faint of heart..

Boy do I wish I found this site BEFORE we got our baby
But thank goodness we had found a wonderful breeder!! who helped us lots of stuff we didn't know!!!

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Mandy & Luigi

"There is a clause that says failure to abide by the terms of contract can result in legal action at the buyers' expense"
What do you mean by this statement??? What are the terms of your contract? you dont sue people for caring for their puppies different then the way you do you????
*dont get offended, im just trying to get an idea of what kinds of things breeders put in their contracts and what they do if not followed to the T*

i'm assuming you made this post b/c of another "does this irritate you" i replied to that post. in my post i said, yes it does irritate me when SOME breeders not ALL OF THEM advertise a t-cup, micro t-cup, tiny etc. and tack on $$. it bothers me b/c first of all they only joined YT to try and sell their puppies and second of all like you said most people ask for a "t-cup" not knowing their is no such thing. before i joined YT i had no idea that there was no such thing that is just what i had always heard and most yorkies that i saw prior to getting my own where there very tiny ones. i am not trying to offend you at all please don't take it that way. i only replied to that post b/c i don't like seeing people getting taken advantage of and chances are had i been buying the yorkie rather than my boyfriend surprising me with it i would have probably paid way too much money. also i like to add that it's true not all breederes are bad, infact i commented on how good it is that you take such good care of your babies especially candy and how i wished more breeders were like you. so let me say this it irritates me when unresponsible breeders and people wanting a yorkie join YT and then get offended when someone corrects(well not correct them, but let them know that the price may be a little bit too much) them on the price or informing them that there is no such thing as a t-cup. i will go ahead and apologize if i step on any toes i am not trying to just wanted to explain myself.

I never relized that there wasnt a t-cup either until I started looking. For me I wasnt looking for a super tiny dog becasue I wanted to show, I just wanted a good qulity healthy puppy.

Now I did have one breeder tell me there were no such thing as t-cups but still had it on the website so her site would be pulled up with that term on a search engine.

Just throwing my 2 cents in as well...
 

I specifically picked Yorkie for a pet because they are a smaller (toy) breed and they are just so adorable.
I went to meet my breeder and see my puppy for the first time when he was about 8 weeks old. We drove over an hour to this place. She would let us see him but wouldn't let us touch him or hold him.
She spent almost 2 hours talking to us.
She has spent lots of money on the largest Yorkie she could find because her puppies kept getting smaller.
Her largest (Caesar's Great Uncle) weighs 8 lbs. but her smallest has been around 2 to 3 lbs full grown.
She told me Caesar should be around 6 lbs. since his mother and father were both that small. Two different vets told me that he would be around 11. I almost had a heart attack. So I immediately called her to tell her this news. I paid quite a bit for Caesar and it was like a statement I read earlier about when you go to the baker to buy an angel food cake and the baker tries to sell you a chocolate one. I wanted what the standards had told me.
I did a lot of research before choosing a Yorkie and before even contacting her. But I trust her. I saw several of her retired Yorkies and if Caesar reaches a full 7 lbs great. I just didn't want a Porkie Yorkie. That is unhealthy.
So anyway, I agree with breeders that interview and are so pickey. I also agree with owners that do their research. I have heard from so may Yorkie owners that they have had pups to live as long as 18 yrs.

We got our pups last year from a lovely breeder www.yorkiepup.com near Paris TX He has a lovely website and his home, his dogs, his kennels and his knowledge are all wonderful. The term teacup refers to the grown size of the dog, I believe even AKC considers that under 4 pounds. I got a couple a little larger due to fear of the tinies, mine are 5 and 7 pounds and we are expecting the end of May. We are both excited and a little worried about the close relationship of the babies when the new addition(s) arrive.

As a prospective Yorkie owner who has been researching now for about six months and who plans to buy directly from a breeder when I am ready in the next few months. This site along with books has been sohelpful for me in understanding what to look for and what to be wary of. I am someone who didn't know that the dreaded 'teacup' term is a no no until i looked at the AKC standard. It now upsets me greatly to see that so many breeders advertise teacups and charge over $2,000 for them... Some folks are looking that small carry everywhere dog... But they don't realize the health risks... What is sad is that some of these folks see the Yorkie or other toy breed as an accessory and not a living breathing being...

I've leanred much here and when I go on the hunt for my Yorkie male I will take a lot of knowledge with me! It's thanks to great people like yourselves!

Thank You!

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Yorkipower...do you know Dolru kennel, PA I think....she has a champion named Fivel..he is quite small and has an OB title also?
The first dog show I went to here in Florida was last month..most were 5 and under. A four pound bitch would have no trouble getting a major here..darker the better..so different then I am used to...I saw Parkside had a few enteries. She has a fairly good size Yorkie in NY, but she brought smaller ones.
Do you know Trivar had a bitch named CH Trivar's Golddust who weight 3 1/2 pounds..Johnny bred her and she free whelped each he said...that was a long time ago.

We got our pups last year from a lovely breeder www.yorkiepups.com near Paris TX He has a lovely website and his home, his dogs, his kennels and his knowledge are all wonderful. The term teacup refers to the grown size of the dog, I believe even AKC considers that under 4 pounds. I got a couple a little larger due to fear of the tinies, mine are 5 and 7 pounds and we are expecting the end of May. We are both excited and a little worried about the close relationship of the babies when the new addition(s) arrive

I hope your puppies are well and do wonder why you decided to get more than one at the same time as it is very difficult to house train a family of puppies all at once. What I am most concerned about is 1) the person you may have gotten your dogs from and 2) that this person or someone else told you that the term teacup is an accepted term by AKC standards. As to #2 either the person is ignorant or intentionally decieved you. Either case, it is extremely troublesome! NO, AKC DOES NOT RECONGIZE THE TERM TEACUP IN ANY BREED. The Yorkshire Terrier Club of America is the offical Yorkshire Terrier Club of the American Kennel Club (AKC) and as part of its code of ethics, NO BREEDER WHO BELONGS TO THE YTCA MAY SELL A PUPPY UNDER THE TERM TEACUP. PERIOD. As it is, the size you got is perfectly within the "standard" and a healthy and "normal" size for a Yorkie.I can't get on the link you sent. Each time I try, my computer logs off. So I will give this person the benefit of the doubt since I cannot verify who it is and don't want to spread rumers about someone who is not so deserving.

Welcome to the board and I know I speak for everyone here, we wish you and your new puppies the best. :)

Thanks Yorkierose (as per usual! lol) I appreciate the "heads up." I may have met them (Dlru) but the name does not ring a bell (the last time I showed in PA was at the DVYTC match last month). I think Parkside tends to have slightly bigger kids (I've only seen her entries at the National and Roving specialities so I don't know what the rest of her "crew" looks like). it IS good to know that little girls can be put up! I had some naysayers in the begining who told me to retire Penny because at 4 pounds she was "too small."

Pat correct me if I am wrong but these above mentioned "over sized" champions were pre 1966 show standard. Although a dog would not be disqualified exceeding 7lbs the weight would be considered a "fault" and would never champion post 1966.

Here in the west coast (I've been told by many show people) it's almost impossible to finish a dog under 4lbs they get lost in the crowd so to speak. Since the show ring is more political than ever many of the Judges frown upon the smaller size, most they simply pass over.

This is very perplexing since I have never shown but I am being encouraged to start my little girl by a show breeder here. I recently met with a handler and he agreed. Time will tell, she is still young and things can change overnight.

Lost again in Yorkie confusion

That's the impression I was under as well. That's what I was told by everyone who I talked to BUT then again, they were mostly from the Western States...

[QUOTE=whispersmom2] I have a take back clause, a no placing dog in another home without first letting me know..There is a clause that says failure to abide by the terms of contract can result in legal action at the buyers' expense. A spay/neuter clause is also included.

whispersmom2----I am by no means a breeder and the only knowledge I have on the subject I have gotten here at YT. My two yorkies mated and had pups a little over a week ago, six of them, and we are probably only keeping one and I have been so worried about the other ones having a GOOD home and was thinking of making whoever buys the remaining pups, even family members, sign a contract like you were talking about, stating that if things didn't work out and they had to get "rid" of the dog, at ANY age, that they had to return it to me and I would purchase it back from them. I hope that makes sense. I just know how some people are after the newness has worn out and maybe the potty training doesn't go well or the fact that you are a bit tied down with a dog, and I hate the thought of my babies "babies" being shifted off to different owners because of the lack of commitment to love and take care of the dogs, til' death do us part.

Since I am not a breeder, would I still be able to employ such a contract and would I have to do anything special to make it legal??? I am going to be VERY particular to whom I sell them to in the first place not only because I think they derserve the utmost love and devotion but because the pups are like grandkids to me!!!!

Could you possibly tell me if there is a website with a sample contract of such so that I could have an idea of how to word the contract I make? I have no clue and I have never sold puppies before. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated!! Sorry this is so long!!