LOL. Maybe i should move down to Florida for awhile. Having a heck of a time getting Penny's majors up here in NY! I was told by one breeder than my four pound girl was "too small" to be shown! At least, now that she's pointed, I've proven that wrong. Still, those majors elude us.

I have sent several people out the door not carrying a puppy nor getting the promise of a puppy. I know it is hard to stick to your guns BUT you have certain conditions to be met before you get one of my babies. I would expect that the prospective buyer would need me to meet requirements too. I keep my puppies til the match for them comes along. The last litter of 3 that I placed left when they were 4-5 months of age. I charge more than some do for theirs but that makes no difference cause they either get a puppy or they don't.. I do not place my tinies in homes with children, smokers, vicious pets, and elderly. The last one gets raised eyebrows but I am 67 and I know how much is required to take care of a 15 year old dog and an 82 year old human. Am I discriminating? Well, yes! But, my puppies matter to me and I am responsible for them and their well-being for life. I have a take back clause, a no placing dog in another home without first letting me know..There is a clause that says failure to abide by the terms of contract can result in legal action at the buyers' expense. A spay/neuter clause is also included.
I am writing this to say that we, as breeders, have such responsibility to our own and all breeds.....I think that closing down puppy mills and those who support them must start with EDUCATING THE PUBLIC!!! I am not patting myself on the back but simply stating the things I feel are important before placing or receiving a Yorkie puppy/dog.
Breeding is not for the faint of heart..

Boy do I wish I found this site BEFORE we got our baby
But thank goodness we had found a wonderful breeder!! who helped us lots of stuff we didn't know!!!

:animal-sm
Mandy & Luigi

"There is a clause that says failure to abide by the terms of contract can result in legal action at the buyers' expense"
What do you mean by this statement??? What are the terms of your contract? you dont sue people for caring for their puppies different then the way you do you????
*dont get offended, im just trying to get an idea of what kinds of things breeders put in their contracts and what they do if not followed to the T*

i'm assuming you made this post b/c of another "does this irritate you" i replied to that post. in my post i said, yes it does irritate me when SOME breeders not ALL OF THEM advertise a t-cup, micro t-cup, tiny etc. and tack on $$. it bothers me b/c first of all they only joined YT to try and sell their puppies and second of all like you said most people ask for a "t-cup" not knowing their is no such thing. before i joined YT i had no idea that there was no such thing that is just what i had always heard and most yorkies that i saw prior to getting my own where there very tiny ones. i am not trying to offend you at all please don't take it that way. i only replied to that post b/c i don't like seeing people getting taken advantage of and chances are had i been buying the yorkie rather than my boyfriend surprising me with it i would have probably paid way too much money. also i like to add that it's true not all breederes are bad, infact i commented on how good it is that you take such good care of your babies especially candy and how i wished more breeders were like you. so let me say this it irritates me when unresponsible breeders and people wanting a yorkie join YT and then get offended when someone corrects(well not correct them, but let them know that the price may be a little bit too much) them on the price or informing them that there is no such thing as a t-cup. i will go ahead and apologize if i step on any toes i am not trying to just wanted to explain myself.

I never relized that there wasnt a t-cup either until I started looking. For me I wasnt looking for a super tiny dog becasue I wanted to show, I just wanted a good qulity healthy puppy.

Now I did have one breeder tell me there were no such thing as t-cups but still had it on the website so her site would be pulled up with that term on a search engine.

Just throwing my 2 cents in as well...
 

I specifically picked Yorkie for a pet because they are a smaller (toy) breed and they are just so adorable.
I went to meet my breeder and see my puppy for the first time when he was about 8 weeks old. We drove over an hour to this place. She would let us see him but wouldn't let us touch him or hold him.
She spent almost 2 hours talking to us.
She has spent lots of money on the largest Yorkie she could find because her puppies kept getting smaller.
Her largest (Caesar's Great Uncle) weighs 8 lbs. but her smallest has been around 2 to 3 lbs full grown.
She told me Caesar should be around 6 lbs. since his mother and father were both that small. Two different vets told me that he would be around 11. I almost had a heart attack. So I immediately called her to tell her this news. I paid quite a bit for Caesar and it was like a statement I read earlier about when you go to the baker to buy an angel food cake and the baker tries to sell you a chocolate one. I wanted what the standards had told me.
I did a lot of research before choosing a Yorkie and before even contacting her. But I trust her. I saw several of her retired Yorkies and if Caesar reaches a full 7 lbs great. I just didn't want a Porkie Yorkie. That is unhealthy.
So anyway, I agree with breeders that interview and are so pickey. I also agree with owners that do their research. I have heard from so may Yorkie owners that they have had pups to live as long as 18 yrs.

We got our pups last year from a lovely breeder www.yorkiepup.com near Paris TX He has a lovely website and his home, his dogs, his kennels and his knowledge are all wonderful. The term teacup refers to the grown size of the dog, I believe even AKC considers that under 4 pounds. I got a couple a little larger due to fear of the tinies, mine are 5 and 7 pounds and we are expecting the end of May. We are both excited and a little worried about the close relationship of the babies when the new addition(s) arrive.

As a prospective Yorkie owner who has been researching now for about six months and who plans to buy directly from a breeder when I am ready in the next few months. This site along with books has been sohelpful for me in understanding what to look for and what to be wary of. I am someone who didn't know that the dreaded 'teacup' term is a no no until i looked at the AKC standard. It now upsets me greatly to see that so many breeders advertise teacups and charge over $2,000 for them... Some folks are looking that small carry everywhere dog... But they don't realize the health risks... What is sad is that some of these folks see the Yorkie or other toy breed as an accessory and not a living breathing being...

I've leanred much here and when I go on the hunt for my Yorkie male I will take a lot of knowledge with me! It's thanks to great people like yourselves!

Thank You!

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Yorkipower...do you know Dolru kennel, PA I think....she has a champion named Fivel..he is quite small and has an OB title also?
The first dog show I went to here in Florida was last month..most were 5 and under. A four pound bitch would have no trouble getting a major here..darker the better..so different then I am used to...I saw Parkside had a few enteries. She has a fairly good size Yorkie in NY, but she brought smaller ones.
Do you know Trivar had a bitch named CH Trivar's Golddust who weight 3 1/2 pounds..Johnny bred her and she free whelped each he said...that was a long time ago.

We got our pups last year from a lovely breeder www.yorkiepups.com near Paris TX He has a lovely website and his home, his dogs, his kennels and his knowledge are all wonderful. The term teacup refers to the grown size of the dog, I believe even AKC considers that under 4 pounds. I got a couple a little larger due to fear of the tinies, mine are 5 and 7 pounds and we are expecting the end of May. We are both excited and a little worried about the close relationship of the babies when the new addition(s) arrive

I hope your puppies are well and do wonder why you decided to get more than one at the same time as it is very difficult to house train a family of puppies all at once. What I am most concerned about is 1) the person you may have gotten your dogs from and 2) that this person or someone else told you that the term teacup is an accepted term by AKC standards. As to #2 either the person is ignorant or intentionally decieved you. Either case, it is extremely troublesome! NO, AKC DOES NOT RECONGIZE THE TERM TEACUP IN ANY BREED. The Yorkshire Terrier Club of America is the offical Yorkshire Terrier Club of the American Kennel Club (AKC) and as part of its code of ethics, NO BREEDER WHO BELONGS TO THE YTCA MAY SELL A PUPPY UNDER THE TERM TEACUP. PERIOD. As it is, the size you got is perfectly within the "standard" and a healthy and "normal" size for a Yorkie.I can't get on the link you sent. Each time I try, my computer logs off. So I will give this person the benefit of the doubt since I cannot verify who it is and don't want to spread rumers about someone who is not so deserving.

Welcome to the board and I know I speak for everyone here, we wish you and your new puppies the best. :)

Thanks Yorkierose (as per usual! lol) I appreciate the "heads up." I may have met them (Dlru) but the name does not ring a bell (the last time I showed in PA was at the DVYTC match last month). I think Parkside tends to have slightly bigger kids (I've only seen her entries at the National and Roving specialities so I don't know what the rest of her "crew" looks like). it IS good to know that little girls can be put up! I had some naysayers in the begining who told me to retire Penny because at 4 pounds she was "too small."

Pat correct me if I am wrong but these above mentioned "over sized" champions were pre 1966 show standard. Although a dog would not be disqualified exceeding 7lbs the weight would be considered a "fault" and would never champion post 1966.

Here in the west coast (I've been told by many show people) it's almost impossible to finish a dog under 4lbs they get lost in the crowd so to speak. Since the show ring is more political than ever many of the Judges frown upon the smaller size, most they simply pass over.

This is very perplexing since I have never shown but I am being encouraged to start my little girl by a show breeder here. I recently met with a handler and he agreed. Time will tell, she is still young and things can change overnight.

Lost again in Yorkie confusion

That's the impression I was under as well. That's what I was told by everyone who I talked to BUT then again, they were mostly from the Western States...

[QUOTE=whispersmom2] I have a take back clause, a no placing dog in another home without first letting me know..There is a clause that says failure to abide by the terms of contract can result in legal action at the buyers' expense. A spay/neuter clause is also included.

whispersmom2----I am by no means a breeder and the only knowledge I have on the subject I have gotten here at YT. My two yorkies mated and had pups a little over a week ago, six of them, and we are probably only keeping one and I have been so worried about the other ones having a GOOD home and was thinking of making whoever buys the remaining pups, even family members, sign a contract like you were talking about, stating that if things didn't work out and they had to get "rid" of the dog, at ANY age, that they had to return it to me and I would purchase it back from them. I hope that makes sense. I just know how some people are after the newness has worn out and maybe the potty training doesn't go well or the fact that you are a bit tied down with a dog, and I hate the thought of my babies "babies" being shifted off to different owners because of the lack of commitment to love and take care of the dogs, til' death do us part.

Since I am not a breeder, would I still be able to employ such a contract and would I have to do anything special to make it legal??? I am going to be VERY particular to whom I sell them to in the first place not only because I think they derserve the utmost love and devotion but because the pups are like grandkids to me!!!!

Could you possibly tell me if there is a website with a sample contract of such so that I could have an idea of how to word the contract I make? I have no clue and I have never sold puppies before. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated!! Sorry this is so long!!

Not intended as legal advice (sorry need to make this disclaimer!)
 

I am a practicing attorney but I am licensed in NY. I'm gonna give you a quick and easy answer to your question but please keep in mind that I'm beholden to legal ethics and am probably not licensed in your state, therefore, this is not intended as "legal" advice (and therefore Ironically, the breeders on the board are more free than I am to give you all the details on the law!). The BEST commonsense advice I can give you, which is the advice I ALWAYS give when a legal question comes up on the board, is to seek out the advice of an attorney near you to find out what the local law is in your area. A great reference book to have is “Nolo’s Dog Law.” There are “boiler plate” contracts out there too which a good attorney can tweak for your jurisdiction and particular purposes. That said - here's a quick and easy, "broad strokes" answer to your question which you can then go ahead and apply more specifically with the direction of the breeders on this board and a local attorney:

A contract is a contract. If you were selling sprockets instead of puppies, you, as the seller of your "product" are the "Master of your bargain.” You can draft out your contract according to the terms you think are reasonable, you can negotiate with the other party, and as long as both parties can negotiate freely and have the capacity to do so (for example, special rules apply to children and mentally ill), you can put terms into a contract to protect your interests, which in this case means, to protect the dogs you are selling. You don’t need to be a “Breeder” to get the right to do that. You just need to be selling something that you have a legal right to be selling and drafting a contract with another party who is able to negotiate with you and to be advised of his or her legal rights and the subject matter of the contract must be a legal transaction (a contract for an illegal action, such as selling illegal drugs, would not be enforceable).

I hope this “broad strokes” answer is clear, otherwise, I call on the help of the breeders!!!! Ha.

Thank you SO much Yorkiepower!! I appreciate the trouble you went to! I just hope to get my babies back if the buyers decide they don't want them so that I can ensure they go to a good home! I wish I could keep them ALL within my family or people on my street so I could keep a good "eye" on them :cool: I'm going to start working on a contract now and hope that it sticks in a worst case senerio (sp?). I am also going to state that I will give a full refund for price paid in the event that the puppy/adult dog is no longer wanted. My family cannot hide from me :D but hopefully that will keep a stranger from giving or selling it to someone else! Thanks again for your expertise! :)

Do you live in Indiana, if so what part. I am in Valparaiso, and I do show my dogs. I breed to get my own line of dogs to show and really enjoy it. Both my husband and I show the dogs.

The only problem with the yorkie, is that we can not guarntee what they will end up weighing. you can come up with a throw back from 4 or 5 generations back. I had a litter of 3 with a 5 pound girl and a 5 1/2 pound boy. The pups 2 of them are almost 6 pounds and one is only 3 1/4 pounds. We can only give what we think they will end up weighing, but we can no more promise that then you could promise a child of yours being born at 7 pounds will not weigh over 150 pounds when full grown. Life gives no guarntees.

very interesting - i totally get your post but it was a little random. it is obvious how much you love your babies! it would be nice if breeders cared a little more like you do! keep going with the good work!!

Hi. Anyone seen "Old School"? They have a tiny yorkie in it, cute little thing dressed like it's owner. At the theatre I heard so many people (lots of teenage girls) talking about wanting to get a teeny tiny dog like that one! My Sophie averages 4.4 pounds and she was perfect, to be honest when I got her size never figured in, I got the biggest one in the bunch because she insisted on it (I usually go for the runt!) At the time I didn't know a lot about their size, just that they were small dogs.
After she passed, I started looking again. I have a defective heart and will one day have to have a valve replaced but we're trying to put that off as long as possible. Because of this I am restricted on how much weight I can pick up, 5 pounds or less (but I do cheat and go up to 6 sometimes). So, it's natural for me to ask the weight of the parents, 8 - 10 pound parents pretty much rule the puppy out. It's not that I want a teeny tiny yorkie, I just have to be careful. A lot of people take me wrong when I ask about size and don't always wait or ask for an explanation. Not everyone concerned with weight doesn't have a legitimate reason for it nor particularly wants a teeny tiny. But there are a lot of people out there that like to 'hook in' to the latest thing, I've seen what are now called 'micro minis' averaging 2 -3 pounds, that seems way too small for a yorkie to me and way too dangerous for the pup, I wouldn't want one that tiny, it would scare me to death!
Windy

I'm proud of you for speaking your mind and caring for your babies. I use to breed pits so, I've been both sides of the fence. Nothing irked me more than when people would call and ask how cheap will you go and are they gamey. Gamey in pits means they want to fight them, and if all you care about is how cheap I will go obviously you don't have the money they will require to take care of them. My dogs were family pets not fighters. I'm out of the business now because of people like that, and I've been wanting a Yorkie for years, so I came here to educate myself before I get one. This way when I do make calls I can ask intelligent questions instead of sounding like a complete dummy. I call, introduce myself, and start off just telling them something about me and my family. I always offer a home inspection, my vets name and number, and my groomer. I have a little poodle now, which I found at the pound. I always got a positive response from the breeders I talked to, but when I found Suiki at the pound I knew she was the one from me. As far as showing I too have disablities that would make it very hard for me to show, so if you ever just want to talk to someone you can email me to just talk. Yeah! for you speaking your mind, and letting people know all breeders are not bad people. Just people who really care about their pets, their family really.

[QUOTE=aimee]Interesting post - I'm not sure what brought this on. I will say that I am probably one of the people here who would not qualify to own one of their Yorkies because I have children at home. I was lucky that the breeder I found made calls to both my vet and the shelter I volunteer at before allowing me to purchase Tia. I had been turned away many times, without the breeder looking into my background, which didn't offend me but did make me sad.[QUOTE]

I'd have to agree with you on that one. I think that I would easily be turned down as well b/c both me and my fiance work 2 jobs. However with our schedule, Sydney is rarely left alone. The longest she is ever crated is 4 hours. And despite what might sound like a lack of time she is the happiest puppy in the world. I have to say that if I had your experience I would be offended. I think that there is a distinct difference between someone who is just plain ignorant (that the breeder can tell has no idea how to care for a yorkie...or what they are getting themselves into) and someone like you who has a child that they feel can handle the dog.

My first yorkie...Remmy I got from a backyard breeder. Very nice lady and I love Remmy to death...he is the best dog I ever had. I think that I am lucky that he has not gotten ill or there is nothing wrong with him. I was uneducated but when I got him I set out to learn as much as I can...I have learned so much. I did not know exactly what a breeder was and the chances you take when you don't buy from someone who truely cares about thier dogs. Or where petstore animals really come from. When I got silk I got recommendations from people and organizations and then when I went to get on a "waiting list" I told the breeder everything I could think of about me and my family. I was on her waiting list for 2years before I got Silk and I did not get her as a puppy. If I wanted a puppy I would still be on the waiting list. But some things are worth waiting for. Chris

When I bought my first yorkie "Cooper" I felt like I was at an adoption agency, going through an interview. It made me feel good, knowing that I was getting him from a breeder that cared so much!:animal-pa

If agree with Orinskye. I wanted a normal size or larger yorkie. Katy should be around 6-7 pounds which is great. And I did research the breed before getting her. She is nearly 11 weeks old and weighs close to 3 #'s.

This thread is 3 years old guys.