Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4738608)

I have to disagree that it's a negative training method and feel it's very wrong to compair it to a gun. I only used it with Callie for the pants and shoe bitting and I did not just "fire away" I squirted her one time and said no and it only was necessary a few times. It was also a very dangerous situation and almost killed my grandfather. I am very upset that you are trying to paint me as some awful person because I used a squirt bottle. I have put lots of time in training Callie and all but that one thing was done using positive training and she knows many commands and tricks and even has trick dog titles. My boy Joey and me do lots of training as well he too has multiple trick training titles. Penny is a work in progress but I do positive training with her as well. This painting me evil or even a unknowledgeable trainer is just wrong and proves you don't know me at all. I'm not an evil person because I used a water bottle. I would die for my dogs, they are my babies. I also want to say that anyone that has had to use it for the same situation is not evil either but I'm sure that with the condemning of it that they won't speak up. My Yorkie's also are not tiny but you should remember that because you didn't want to make a harness for Callie who is 18 pounds.

Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 4738612)

Please, let us agree to disagree respectfully :). I understand that we all do the best we can.

Sadly, this is not the time or place to talk about my choice not to sew for Callie. It had nothing to do with your precious Callie or her size. I will not belittle either of discussing an unrelated private matter that has nothing to do with the OP's original plea for help.

I did apologize and I have offered to privately help the OP. Unless she contacts me in this thread, I will bow out - I have more important issues to attend to than discussing the merits (OR NOT) of using a squirt bottle as a training tool.

Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 4738612)

Please, let us agree to disagree respectfully :). I understand that we all do the best we can.

Sadly, this is not the time or place to talk about my choice not to sew for Callie. It had nothing to do with your precious Callie or her size. I will not belittle either of discussing an unrelated private matter that has nothing to do with the OP's original plea for help.

I did apologize and I have offered to privately help the OP. Unless she contacts me in this thread, I will bow out - I have more important issues to attend to than discussing the merits (OR NOT) of using a squirt bottle as a training tool.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4738624)

I am sorry to bring up the harness I just thought you knew Callie was not tiny that is the only reason I brought it up not trying to get personal or anything else.

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4738611)

If you want to get into technical terms, I don't think it's possible to be 100% purely positive 100% of the time. Even withholding food from a dog in order to get them to understand that is *not* what you want could be considered aversive.

I am primarily a positive trainer as most on here know. I don't believe any dog should feel forced. There is always a way to teach a dog without pain, fear, intimidation, etc. Is a water bottle going to be a good method for every dog? No. Some may be too soft or too timid. Some may not care. Our JRT mix Lilly found the squirt bottle to be rewarding. :rolleyes: She LOVED it... so much for that.

While I wouldn't say it would be primary method to train a dog from behaving in this way.... I think for a fast result in a situation such as the OP where the mom could be in danger, something like a squirt bottle may be appropriate.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4738649)

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There is no one fit for all. A water bottle is NOT going to hurt a dog and is far from being negative. good grief folks, lighten up.....

Originally Posted by canana (Post 4738660)

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Very true!

I just want to add that after several attempts to train mine out of barking at every single noise at home, a one-time use of the water bottle spray actually solved it (it sprays a mist of water). And, I am all for positive training and clicker training techniques. :)

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4738592)

A lot of people use a can of coins to and that in my opinion is pretty much the same thing. Research also shows the coin method can cause dogs to fear loud noises ....

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4738673)

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4738664)

I have a foster who won't leave my bird alone....she isn't afraid but I don't want to hear his constant barking at her. I finally solved the problem with a couple of squirts...now I pick up the bottle and he stops. If I say stop he stares at me eyeball to eyeball and continues to bark...lol he is a trip. He isn't in the least bit shell shocked or hurt by that bottle. He just doesn't want a wet face.